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Old 11-16-2012, 09:26 PM
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5x07: A Lesson in Vengeance Episode Discussion [Airs November 17th]



Darkness steals into the very heart of Camelot as Morgana and her puppet queen hatch a sinister plan to murder the king.
But when stable hand Tyr Seward becomes caught in the crossfire, he threatens to ruin everything...
As the plot thickens and reaches its deadly climax, can a suspicious Merlin unravel the truth before it is too late?

A Lesson in Vengeance airs on November 17th at 20:00 pm on BBC One.


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Old 11-17-2012, 11:38 AM
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I am looking forward to what looks like another brilliant episode
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:10 PM
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Two of CSI Camelot's finest go head to head.

I never would have thought Gwen would make such a great villain. I mean, I love her when she's good, but she's really good at being bad.

On the other hand...Gwen has totally lost it. I honestly don’t think Arthur’s burger king crown would look good on her at all.

C’mon, Merlin, fix this already! Or at least tell Arthur, so he can save her with true love’s kiss.

Something. Anything!
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:21 PM
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I agree! Gwen is so good at being bad but she has lost it! I hope it ends next week. Merlin knows its Gwen and Morgana so he just needs to tell Arthur so he can save her with true loves kiss or something!!
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:29 PM
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I never would have thought Gwen would make such a great villain. I mean, I love her when she's good, but she's really good at being bad.
I know! I didn't know how to feel...on one hand I just really wanted Guinevere back, on the other she was so conniving I actually applauded. Angel's face when she was asking Gaius how Arthur was And her manipulation of Leon As Queen, Gwen was already very shrewd - I would not want to get on the wrong side of her now.
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:06 AM
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I'm sorry but I can honestly say this episode will go down as my least liked episode of Merlin. It was wrong on so many levels, the most annoying one being that Guinevere of the legends has never tried to kill Arthur, her flaw was being unfaithful to him, so why are they turning her into a murderer?

I thought Angel herself was really impressive, but I just hated the whole set-up of the episode.

I also found it difficult to laugh at the funny parts with every thing else going on, which felt so wrong.

As for Merlin, well I'm sorry young warlock but this is all your doing, the fact is he should of taken Morgana out years ago, but he failed. Therefore all the problems are now at his own door.

Another thing is should the magic reveal happen why should Arthur and Gwen look kindly towards Merlin? As once they find out that he had the power all along to deal with Morgana but chose not to, forcing Arthur and Gwen to endure all sorts of bad experiences at the hands of magic, it will be a lot to expect them to forgive him and return magic to the land.
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Angel was brilliant but I didn't like what they made Gwen into in this episode I hope it gets sorted next epsiode.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:47 AM
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All the awards for Colin Morgan and his tears

most annoying part of the episode was all the knights just blindly accepting that Merlin would poison Arthur.

Merlin/Arthur continue to be the best part of the show. Arthur didnt believe for a second that Merlin would try and kill him.

Still dont care about Gwen but it sucks that the only time a female can get a storyline on this show if they are evil. See Morgana
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Merlin and Arthur are the heart of the show

Colin as always was superb and his tears when he tried to save Arthur just waiting to see if the magic had worked

I didn't like the fact that non of the knights spoke up in defence for Merlin either they just accepted it

Arthur didn't doubt for one second that Merlin was innocent as soon as he was OK he had them release Merlin
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:49 PM
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I kind of like this twist in the story. Angel is brilliant in this role, she played it so good. Even tough I think Arthur has seen enough betrayal enough times in his life, especially at hands of those close at him, I still kind of really like this Guinevere. Also we get to see some more Gwen & Morgana friendship, I really like that. After so many years they're back to each other again, even though it thanks to manipulation. I'm curious as to where this leads.

Another thing, Dragoon was back. I love Dragoon the great with his sassy comebacks. Really, the episode was really dark but I could still laugh at his scenes.

One thing I didn't like is the fact that all the knight just trust the queen's judgement. None of them stood up for Merlin, while everybody knows him so well. Luckily Arthur did as soon as he was better. He just knew it couldn't have been Merlin.

Props for Colin, his 'cry-scene' was amazing. Just so realistic and heartfelt.

I'm curious about the plot. I get the feeling like the writers are building up to the magic reveal. I really want to know if and so yes how it happens.
At the current state of affairs Arthur would really detest Merlin for having magic and harbouring this secret. His views on magic aren't positive. And he can't just change his views at once. I can not imagine that happening. But what happens then? Does he sentence Merlin to die? Surely not. Or is Arthur going to see the good qualities of magic, even though magic has ruined his life so often?
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I am curious where this is going they have to have the reveal this season we have waited too long already!
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It was wrong on so many levels, the most annoying one being that Guinevere of the legends has never tried to kill Arthur, her flaw was being unfaithful to him, so why are they turning her into a murderer
Tbh I've given up trying to link the show with the legends. The writers, I believe, have done the same. But in this case if you look at it being another of Morgana's schemes where Gwen is her puppet and therefore not accountable for her actions, it doesn't betray the legend quite so much...well that's how I choose to look at it anyway. Even if it hasn't been fully established how Morgana is controlling her.

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As for Merlin, well I'm sorry young warlock but this is all your doing, the fact is he should of taken Morgana out years ago, but he failed. Therefore all the problems are now at his own door.
I completely agree with this, he really has had countless opportunities! I just console myself with the fact there would be no storyline otherwise. But still...come on.

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One thing I didn't like is the fact that all the knight just trust the queen's judgement. None of them stood up for Merlin, while everybody knows him so well.
I found this hard to swallow too. I was actually sitting and waiting for one to speak up - ffs Gwaine had just promised Merlin he would protect Arthur. Why would Merlin ask that of him if he was planning to murder Arthur? Seriously, sometimes I can't tell the difference between Camelot's knights and Camelot's guards

If the writers do the magic reveal at the end of this season I hope against hope that it's believable. Arthur has suffered too much from magic to blindly accept it. But there's so few episodes left!
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It does need to happen soon so that it is believable. I agree too much has happened to Arthur because of Magic to simply accept that Merlin has magic.
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Merlin continues to be an epic fail of a warlock in my books. It's really simple three words to Arthur 'Gwen is enchanted'

Angel rocked the episode. Evil!Queen amazing. I don't like Gwen being evil but man, Angel all the awards to her.

I'm tired of emo Merlin crying every five seconds. He would save himself some tears if he just acted with Morgana, shadeLancelot, enchantedGwen and worst of all in s4 Agravaine.

With friends like Merlin you're sure to have enemies and not know who they are because he certainly won't tell you!

Rant over!

Flaw in writing: Why was it not curious that Gwen would put Merlin in prison? They are oldest friends. It wasn't very Gwen. Why was Arthur not curious and the Knights not weary?
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Merlin is only looking out for Arthur and how would it sound if he just blurted out Gwen is enchanted! It wouldn't sound good and he needs proper proof.

Merlin was crying because he didn't know if Arthur was going to live or die! I would have been more concerned of Merlin didn't cry!

Merlin has always done what he has for Arthur and Camelot he has made mistakes but he knows that and carries on.

I agree I was annoyed that none of the Knights stood up for Merlin, Arthur would have if he wasn't dying.
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