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Old 06-12-2019, 06:22 PM
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The way I'm reading Bellamy right now, is that he is just like, mentally crippled. Remember how badly Clarke's death apparently affected him in space, and now she's dead again and he did nothing/couldn't do anything to stop it. He's wrestling with that and wrestling with thinking that Clarke wouldn't have wanted to start killing everyone again, and he doesn't want to betray the memory of Monty - who wanted them to do better. So all those emotions are super confusing and he's just...existing at the moment. And internally this is him quite apparently "facing his demons".
I think there's (hopefully) more to see with him and that he's not going to just sit around accepting this.

I am thoroughly enjoying the Diyoza/Octavia/Xavier stuff. It's just totally bonkers and I am here for it. I also want to know what this anomaly is, and what it wants with Octavia.

Side thought: why aren't there any drawings of Bellamy with a beard in Clarke's mind? Passive aggressive way of showing us she is NOT here for it?

The Madi/Sheidheda stuff - not sure how I feel about that yet. I feel like he came out of nowhere and I'm not certain what his point is yet and why they've introduced him. Plus, he's kind of annoying looking. I did like the room they were sitting in, very Commander Chic.

Abby thought: Paige is doing such a good job with showing us that Abby is pretty unhinged, IMO. There's a wild look in her eyes and she seems...harried. Not the cool, composed Abby of pre-bunker times.

Although Raven was super crabby in this episode again, I did really appreciate her tearing Ryker a new one - he deserved it. I'm still hoping this isn't going to turn into a romantic relationship, it seems recycled if so.

The people wandering through the grove - what did they say about some kind of red sun ritual or something? And how it was Josephine's favourite ritual? What's up with that?

Also, someone on Twitter pointed out that when we first see the drawings on Clarke's mindwall, there's a drawing of RAVALIE on the bed above Lexa, and then she's gone in the next shot, meaning Clarke's memories are fading.
ETA: sorry, looks like in the preview for next week's episode it shows that.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:32 PM
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Yeah, I saw someone on Twitter (I’m not doing a very good job of staying off of it - thanks, Beliza) who said, “Wow, Clarke really has a thing for seasons 1-2 Bellamy, huh?”

Great explanation of how you’re perceiving Bellamy right now. This poor guy . . . losing Clarke all over again, not long after losing Monty and Harper, and he feels betrayed by Murphy, and Octavia’s out there doing god knows what . . . honestly, I feel like I say this every season, but how the **** does Bellamy even keep going? He’s always got so much emotional **** to deal with.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:39 PM
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I don't know... Bellamy thought Octavia was dead at one point and he didn't act like this. Octavia. I'm sorry, but I think it's just inconsistent, out of character writing.
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Why do you think Bellamy has a plan Sarah?

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Old 06-12-2019, 07:11 PM
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I don't know... Bellamy thought Octavia was dead at one point and he didn't act like this. Octavia. I'm sorry, but I think it's just inconsistent, out of character writing.
They did have that really touching scene before she went into the bunker (I mean, right before they lost contact) and he was QUITE upset there. We never got to see him fully mourn Clarke (we saw snippets that were after-effects) and we had a ton of season five to see him "losing" Octavia. I don't think there's a reason why he would be sitting around crying for her right now. Do I think he's likely worried about her? Yeah I do. But he also wrote her off a long time ago and is seemingly attempting to move on. I don't know.

I think think his crying is out of character (he's the king of single tears), I think he's finally breaking down in a way that he should have a long time ago.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:26 PM
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They did have that really touching scene before she went into the bunker (I mean, right before they lost contact) and he was QUITE upset there. We never got to see him fully mourn Clarke (we saw snippets that were after-effects) and we had a ton of season five to see him "losing" Octavia. I don't think there's a reason why he would be sitting around crying for her right now. Do I think he's likely worried about her? Yeah I do. But he also wrote her off a long time ago and is seemingly attempting to move on. I don't know.

I think think his crying is out of character (he's the king of single tears), I think he's finally breaking down in a way that he should have a long time ago.
No, I'm not talking about the bunker. I mean like in S4 when Octavia got into that fight with Echo and got impaled and fell off a cliff and was definitely dead (lol.) He was like angry weeping. Remember? "Nooooooooooo! Noooooo!" And then he got up and kept fighting, even though the world was literally ending and his most important person was dead. This situation on Sanctum is way less dire and what we saw from Bellamy in the end was just like a blubbery capitulation. Maybe this is compounded since he just disowned a Octavia a few days ago and has been feeling awful about it? But I'm just not buying this soft, passive giving in to the Primes and then going off to blow his nose. That's not Bellamy. Definitely not a return to form for the character. He wouldn't have believed Murphy's lame argument that Monty would have made a deal with the Primes. Monty was the most moral person on the show and Bellamy knows that. For me, this is the writers sacrificing good characterization to make the plot go where they want.
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I have a dumb question - where did Diyoza get that book with the drawings? Who drew the swirlies? Did I miss something there

And oops, I forgot about her falling off the cliff for a sec That was a great reaction from Bellamy/Bob.

And yeah, I think this sorrowful, agonized, weeping Bellamy is the direct product of the compounding of TOO much stuff. I don't think Bellamy believes Murphy's argument about Monty, either - but I think it did flip off the Violence Switch in his head and make him second-guess himself. Old Bellamy would have likely completed the strangulation of Russell. New Bellamy is trying sooooo hard still to be better, but I think right now he is struggling with it hard.

I also think he has zero idea what to do, which is also why he's weepy. Like seriously, what does he do. Force his people/friends/cryo friends to leave this place where they are promised peace (does he believe them, btw?) or does he just attempt to move on for the sake of them? I dunno.

I forgot to mention - how refreshing it was to see Echo off on her own again? I personally find her much more dynamic to watch when she's alone, thinking on her own, making her own decisions, etc. That's not a slight to Becho shippers, I'm simply stating that I find her an interesting standalone character and I hope she gets more scenes like that or with other characters that aren't Spacekru.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:53 PM
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Side thought: why aren't there any drawings of Bellamy with a beard in Clarke's mind? Passive aggressive way of showing us she is NOT here for it?
Ha! If so, I'm with Clarke on this one. I keep hoping that Bellamy "facing his demons" will involve shaving off the scruff, but so far no dice.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:58 PM
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Bellamy is an emotional and reactive person. We saw a bit of that, which fits with his character. But his end decision just doesn't fit. It's not what either Clarke or Monty would have done.
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Old 06-12-2019, 08:34 PM
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I have a dumb question - where did Diyoza get that book with the drawings? Who drew the swirlies? Did I miss something there
Pretty sure she drew the spirals herself. As for the book, I can't remember if she got her book back last season (the one with her notes/sketches where we got the Damocles title from) or not, but if so it's likely that's it.
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Old 06-12-2019, 08:55 PM
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And yeah, I think this sorrowful, agonized, weeping Bellamy is the direct product of the compounding of TOO much stuff. I don't think Bellamy believes Murphy's argument about Monty, either - but I think it did flip off the Violence Switch in his head and make him second-guess himself. Old Bellamy would have likely completed the strangulation of Russell. New Bellamy is trying sooooo hard still to be better, but I think right now he is struggling with it hard.
Yeah, for sure. Deep down. He would love to kill these people and get revenge, just like Madi now wants. Madi, a child, has a Dark Commander influencing her. Bellamy, an adult, has his own darkness influencing him. But he’s got a better handle on his than she does.

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I also think he has zero idea what to do, which is also why he's weepy. Like seriously, what does he do. Force his people/friends/cryo friends to leave this place where they are promised peace (does he believe them, btw?) or does he just attempt to move on for the sake of them? I dunno.
It’s not even just forcing people to leave, but putting lives at risk. Without some kind of really good plan in place, waging a vengeful war right now is a bad idea. I’d say they could wake the Eligius people, but . . . it’s not like they’re a close-knit group with lots of loyalty or anything. They just ended up together in cryo. I guess there are Wonkru members in there, but . . . I don’t know. I’m struggling to come up with a plan, so I think it’s perfectly understandable that Bellamy is just . . . being sad right now. And crying. Because it makes sense for him. I mean, I don’t blame him for feeling defeated. Monty woke him and Clarke up together, not just him. He trusted the two of them with his message to do better, not just Bellamy. But now . . . it’s just Bellamy.

Thank God we have at least one character who’s mourning Clarke.

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Yeah, it was slightly better, IMO. Though she still spent her episode looking for Bellamy, so . . . Idk. And I still don’t understand why she asked, “What’s going on?” when she’d already figured it out herself.

You know what I forgot to mention earlier? Abby knows they make nightbloods into hosts and still just flew off and left her nightblood daughter there. My goodness, Abby.
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Old 06-12-2019, 10:16 PM
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Kate, it’s just a feeling I have. Given how Bellamy was ready to burn Sanctum down and just because Josephine gave him a way to release that anger, I highly doubt that he’s really given up and resigned himself to life in Sanctum. I wouldn’t trust those guys further than I can throw them and who is to say that they won’t change their minds later on about letting Spacekru and the others stay? Or make use of them later on somehow?

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Pretty sure she drew the spirals herself. As for the book, I can't remember if she got her book back last season (the one with her notes/sketches where we got the Damocles title from) or not, but if so it's likely that's it.
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I feel like maybe it’s pointing towards the characters reaching a ultimate crossroads at some point and having to make extremely difficult decisions which will determine if they’re indeed good or bad. (But as we know, it’s rarely that simple) And very few people being able to achieve that balance?
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Old 06-13-2019, 12:11 AM
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Murphy wants immortality, Bellamy wants to kill them all children amongg them what's worse?
I doubt either one will/would carry out these plans in the end. Murphy has the Loki/Lucifer self-loathing thing where he plays to an idea of himself he thinks he can't rise above, until the last second when he often grudgingly does just that. As for Bellamy, I wouldn't want to be Sanctum's leadership should he get the opportunity for some revenge, but he's not killing kids. That's a Clarke move.
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Old 06-13-2019, 01:36 AM
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Okay I’ve not had a chance to see the full episode yet just bits and pieces but that hasn’t stopped me from getting a few theories on what may be coming because that's just how I roll .

1. I'm wondering if they might be setting up Murphy to overhear something, maybe a conversation between Josephine and someone that Clarke is still alive, meaning he’ll have to choose between immortality and saving Clarke

2. Are the mind drives being freed up setting up for them to be able to keep Kane and/or Murphy around if Henry or Richard leave due to other projects?

3. I thought in 6x04 they were setting Raven to feel a lot of guilt over Clarke given their last conversation before the body snatch, which may still happen. But after her conversation with Ryker I think they are also setting her up to figure out that Clarke may not be dead hence why she didn’t find out this week about the body snatch.

I was hesitant about posting this last theory here because I don't want to start a ship war. Although I am a fan of Bellarke I don't hate Echo I actually quite like the character and I respect those that like Becho. This is just something that has been rolling around in my head watching them and the direction of the story this season.

4. I’ve kind of felt from the beginning that Becho has been written as a Bellarke obstacle and a tool to get to know Echo more than an endgame love story. The most sledgehammer example was 6x04 when they had the Becho fight that came out of nowhere (and it kind of felt like we were coming in half way through the conversation) and the only purpose it seemed to have was to contrast Echo’s confusion over Bellamy’s feelings about Octavia and Clarke’s understanding from a few words and then it leads into Echo’s backstory scene. In 6x06 they kind of did it again with Echo focused on Bellamy but Bellamy focused on Clarke. At the same time they were shown Echo’s smarts, loyalty and resourcefulness. It feels like they are setting up for Echo to realise Bellamy is in love with Clarke as she watches him deal with the situation and a Becho break up.

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Old 06-13-2019, 02:09 AM
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Has any character in this show ever been playing a "long con?" Most plot lines only last a few episodes, so that makes it sort of hard. So while I hope Bellamy is hatching a master plan, I doubt that he is. He just imploded. Which I think is bonkers OOC because he's been through so much worse in this series.

But there's got to be some middle ground between "kill them all" and "if you can't beat them, join them." Right? They set up a false dichotomy there.

Btw, I don't think Echo is a Bellarke "obstacle" because the show doesn't have any kind of track record of that sort of thing. Almost all of their romantic relationships are very straight forward, especially in recent seasons. Like two characters meet, have a few scenes of banter, and then sleep together. They don't really do love triangles (which they swore off after the Clarke/Finn/Raven b.s.) or slow burns. If Bellamy and Clarke were going to get together, it would have happened many seasons ago. I have always tried to interpret this show at face value and that approach has never let me down.
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