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Old 06-12-2019, 09:21 AM
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Yvonne, @ your "golden trio." I'll admit that much of what is going on there is a little out there for me, but it's still interesting, with all the actors playing off of each other really well, so I'm along for the ride.

This is the feeling I've been missing so far this season, this feeling of being really truly excited about an episode of The 100!

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This is the Scene the Murphy and Clarkephine Team Up reminded me of. (starting around 1:30) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hvJbBouss

I also have to point out i really liked Elizas Acting this Episode.

Read "bitter" in this Thread describing Raven this Season and that is so spot on. *sigh*

Haha yes April, i totally love them together

Me too! There was always this "but" and now im officially Boarding the excitment ship for the Season.
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It's interesting about Eliza's acting... I have to admit that I have always found Clarke's characterization to be uptight and boring. Like how Toni always makes the "no fun" joke about Clarke in her recaps and it's even been directly lamp-shaded on the show a few times (that time Jasper hilariously pied her in the face jumps out at me.) But now that Eliza is portraying Josephine, she's proving that she can really pull off this vibrant personality and it's got me wondering who chose to make Clarke such a bummer for all these years. And why? Is it a directorial choice? Like the directors have all been sitting there saying, "Eliza, can you please just furrow your brow and pout a little harder?"

But speaking of weird acting/choices, i don't feel like they did Bellamy justice in this episode. If this was supposed to be some great return to the "old" emotional Bellamy, I think it really missed the mark. Back in the day, Bellamy's "heart" was more of a brave, impulsive kind of thing. I think that the old Bellamy would have been more determined and angry about wanting to fight the Primes. He definitely wouldn't have just melted and given in to their deal in this weepy way. And it's not even like this is the first time he has believed that Clarke is dead. He thought Octavia was dead at one point. He did not react this way to those instances. But for some reason this time it feels like he was impotently angry about it for a minute, and then he just gave up and cried a lot. I don't think any of these characters (except Murphy) would be so passive right now. I think it's really disappointing and I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm not sure the new writers are getting these characters right.

Like for example, I don't believe Monty would have agreed with Murphy that going along with the Primes' evil bull**** would have been how they "do better." All you really have to do is look at Jordan. He was raised with Monty and Harper's values and you know he's gonna be pissed. His moral compass in intact. Monty wouldn't have said "let's kill them all" like Bellamy, but he wouldn't have capitulated like this either. He would have found a more clever way to resist.

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It's interesting about Eliza's acting... I have to admit that I have always found Clarke's characterization to be uptight and boring.

I don't think any of these characters (except Murphy) would be so passive right now. I think it's really disappointing and I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm not sure the new writers are getting these characters right.
I agree with you on those parts! (I think Bellamys Reaction is a way of showing how he has changed with Time). I know what you mean with Clarkes Character, although i dont have a Problem with it. Your Words reminded me of Season 1 when Finn and Octavia where having Fun in the water and she was like "we have no Time for this, Keep going!" I knew Eliza could Play such a typical fun character, because i have seen her in her romantic Comedy Movie on Netflix.

Agree on the Characters too, that was something i noticed too, more so with thinking About the Episode. Besides Bellamy, everyone was just Standing there Looking sad, but "okay, coo, can we move on to the Episode where we bring her back now?" There was no big emotional fall out, no big Action, just Standing there making sad Faces. (Where are Miller and Jackson btw? I completely forgot they existed until this very Moment)
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good point, Yvonne, I completely forgot about them as well

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I agree with you on those parts! (I think Bellamys Reaction is a way of showing how he has changed with Time). I know what you mean with Clarkes Character, although i dont have a Problem with it. Your Words reminded me of Season 1 when Finn and Octavia where having Fun in the water and she was like "we have no Time for this, Keep going!" I knew Eliza could Play such a typical fun character, because i have seen her in her romantic Comedy Movie on Netflix.

Agree on the Characters too, that was something i noticed too, more so with thinking About the Episode. Besides Bellamy, everyone was just Standing there Looking sad, but "okay, coo, can we move on to the Episode where we bring her back now?" There was no big emotional fall out, no big Action, just Standing there making sad Faces. (Where are Miller and Jackson btw? I completely forgot they existed until this very Moment)
I don't think it's Bellamy changing with time. He was still really tough and fiery until right before this episode. Like how his initial reaction to realizing Clarke had been body-snatched was not to sit down and cry. He physically got up in Josephine's face. But then in this episode, very shortly afterwards, he's acting completely incongruous and not like himself.

It's like they're forcing the plot into the direction they want and changing Bellamy and the other characters to fit. The show has always been plot-driven, but I feel like this in this season it got much worse and more obvious. Like how they've been writing characters out of episodes and certain scenes to get away with dubious plot points. If Echo, Raven, and Emori had been around last episode, it would have just been that much harder to believe that they (Echo the spy, especially) wouldn't have figured out about Josephine a lot faster. Or how they had Raven go back into space with Abby this week so that she wouldn't be around when everyone decided to cooperate with the Primes. Because you know Raven wouldn't have stood for that. And, like you said, where are Jackson and Miller? And Jordan was missing too.

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Cant it be that Clarke's second 'death' was the last straw? When with Josephine he acted on his first instinct and got into her face, but while paralyzed, he broke down, because it sinked in that Clarke is gone (again)? Maybe he reached his limit, *****'s been happening to him constantly.

I agree on the other parts, that the show kind of struggles with dealing with the whole ensemble and finding the balance to integrate everyone into the story in a meaningful way and not just in a convenient way plotwise.
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Murphy wants immortality, Bellamy wants to kill them all children amongg them what's worse?
I don't think he would go through with it, certainly not the children part. Pretty sure he would stop after killing those directly responsible
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Fun episode! I'm still surprised by how quickly they are burning through the Clarkephine plotline--there was barely time to appreciate Jo's alliance with Murphy before all was revealed--but I'm still enjoying it. I loved that Josephine of all people was the one to appreciate Clarke ("she's fairly awesome by the way") and remind Murphy that she had sacrificed herself for him and the rest of SpaceKru.

Bellamy was appropriately devastated by Clarke's "death" at first, but I thought he came around to passive acquiescence much too quickly. "Kill them all" wasn't the right response, but neither is "oh well, bygones." Jo's plan to let him kill her father if that was the revenge he needed was stone cold. Are Russell and Simone truly unaware that their 200+ year-old daughter is a sociopath?

Everything about Octavia, Diyoza and Xavier is awesome. The whole time anomaly/magic healing sap plotline feels much more fantasy than sci fi, but I don't care. It's not like this show is a stickler for scientific accuracy anyway!

Echo finally got a little bit of something to do, and also discovered another super-weird aspect of Sanctum culture in the whole offering-themselves-to-the-trees thing. This culture has an f-ed up thing about self-sacrifice, instilled of course by the creepy Primes religion.

Exciting to see a hint of real Clarke there at the end!!! I can't wait to see how she fights back against Josephine, and who is going to help her. One of the whispers at the end was "you don't have to do this alone," right? Are the past Commanders somehow going to help? But how would they be interacting with her mind--I thought she was fully severed from the Flame when it was removed from her head. Madi's going to be involved as well, that's clear. Will we see Becca? Lexa? (I can't imagine they could get Alycia Debnam-Cary for a cameo but that would be amazing if they did!!! Also an impressive secret to keep hidden if they actually filmed something with her!). Anyway I'm intrigued and looking forward to seeing what happens next!
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Woohoo, I loved this episode! Easily and definitely my favorite one of the season so far, and the only one I’ve chosen to rewatch at this point. Was it at a 4x13 level of perfection? No, but it was still really good. It was anchored once again by a strong performance from Eliza and even more so by a truly heart-wrenching performance from Bob. I am so proud to be a fan of such a talented husband and wife.


Bellamy: I think it’s safe to say that, in large part, my eagerness to rewatch this episode was because of Bellamy’s role in it. Throughout the whole episode, he was mourning. There were tears in his eyes and in his voice this entire time. (Seriously, his voice . . . just listen to it. It hurts my heart.) Can we just give Bob Morley all the awards for pulling off sadness so well? He probably has to cry more than anyone else on this show, and that’s really rare for a male character to do that. And man, Bob is so good. I cried along with him the second time around, too.

I didn’t notice it when I first watched because I was so focused on his face, but he really did trash that room. So that was anger. And we saw straight-up rage when he went after Russell. (Bellamy and his thing for strangling, I’ll tell you.) Oh, I loved that how he just went straight after him once he was cut free. I don’t want Bellamy to have to kill people again, but just knowing that he’s still got that in there gives me vintage Bellamy vibes, and I love it. As proud as I am of how far Bellamy has come, I love some heart-driven Bellamy. That’s the Bellamy I fell in love with. So this was great to see.

But the anger was only one aspect of him, of course. Then there was the intense sadness. I loved him speaking up for Clarke and trying to let Murphy know that she did care about him. Him basically having a moment where he didn’t really seem to care if he died, but then deciding to try to keep living (very reminiscent of season 4 when he decided to live in honor of her). Him telling Madi . . . oh, good lord, that scene was so sad. The music, the acting, the hug between them. And then the very next scene, where we see him out by himself, just crying and grieving alone. Which he probably often did up in space those six years. God.

Just because Bellamy had a return to his heart self in this episode doesn’t mean that he loses all rationality. And this is an area where they kind of let down Clarke’s characterization in season 5, by making her not think logically at all sometimes. As much as I loved his, “We kill them all,” idea and wanted it (because I want revenge for Clarke, too—we’re totally seeing the story through his eyes in this episode, and I love that), it’s not practical and not wise. They’re so outnumbered, and I really have no idea what they should do now. All I know is that I love him, and I feel for him, but at the same time, like one reviewer has said, His pain is our pleasure.

Also, Bellarke . . . it just makes sense now more than ever.


Clarke: Putting her next because my girl is still in there! Great ending to the episode, and it seems to have set up some really cool stuff for the next episode. How will that be explained? Can Clarke fight back against this because she’s not a real nightblood? Because she once had the damn flame in her mind? Or is she just that strong? (I know it’s kind of convenient if she’s just that strong, but at this point, I don’t really care, because I love and miss her and can’t stand the woman currently inhabiting her body.) It was very cool to see Clarke back on the Ark, in her season 1 get-up, with all those drawings. Where the hell was Finn, though? I know we were shown Abby and Lexa and Bellamy, and Madi was very obvious, too. Also spotted Murphy, Lincoln, Roan, Luna, and I think Jaha? Or was that Wells? I don’t know.

Lexa mentions here would make sense in the next episode, though I hope it’s not overdone. But I just love the fact that we were shown Bellamy’s drawing, once again comparing that relationship to a prior romantic one.

Can’t wait to see Eliza’s performance in the next episode!


Josephine: This sociopath . . . she’s a great villain, but I can’t stand her! She feels so Cage Wallace to me, with her dad as the Dante. It’s a credit to Eliza for making me hate Josephine so much. She’s smart as hell, I’ll give her that. Her manipulation of Abby was masterful but oh so cruel. Her willingness to let her own dad die was not surprising. Her decision to wipe away the Lee family was also not surprising. She kind of annoyed me in the flashback, but here, she’s evil. She’s drunk her own Kool-aid over the course of all these lifetimes and really does believe she’s a god. I want to see her taken DOWN.


Murphy: Oh, thoughts. Okay. Richard was great. It’s an interesting storyline, and I’m glad they’ve given him a solid storyline this season. However, with that being said . . . I’m disappointed! It’s not that it’s out of character for Murphy to want to survive. We all know that’s in character for him. But that’s not all there is to his character. He’s made a lot of growth and a lot of progression. I do like that he brought Russell in there in what seemed to be an attempt to save Bellamy, and he did get very alarmed when Josephine first told him she had Bellamy captured. But . . . Murphy, this is Bellamy. This is your leader, and this is somebody who considers you to be part of his family. I would have loved it if Murphy had tried to empathize with Bellamy a bit more, rather than trying to manipulate him to get him on his and Josie’s side. And is Murphy even sad that Clarke’s gone? Can he be sad for Bellamy, at least? For Abby, for whom he gave Josephine the information needed to manipulate? I don’t know. We’ll see where this goes, but I’d really love to see Murphy betray Josephine and earn some redemption for aligning with her in the first place. Right now, Clarke is closing the gap on his #2 spot on my favorites list. It’s a hard spot to overtake, but she’s within striking distance.


Madi: I can’t muster up a whole lot of interest for any storyline that goes along with the flame. It’s been an awful part of the story from season 4 onward, IMO. But Lola is a great little actress and is doing a good job with it. It’s pretty creepy. I just want Madi to be able to be a kid again. Lots of parallels between her and Bellamy in this episode, I noticed. The desire to kill them all, which the dark commander is now influencing her to act upon. They were both chained up, they both did some wreckage to the room they were in.


Gaia: Well, at least she’s banished. But I’m sure she’ll be back. Her only purpose in the storyline is the flame. Yawn. And I had to laugh when she talked about Becca’s “wisdom.” Yeah, right! The flame was NOT a wise idea, and why anyone chose to keep it around after the dark commander was put in there is a ****ing mystery. Just destroy the damn thing and be done with it once and for all!


Raven: Sigh. Oh, Raven. What are they doing to you? Her whole purpose this season has been to snap at others and act morally superior, and it’s driving me nuts. She’s not in my top 4 anymore. I’m not even sure how far she’s gonna fall, but it could be as far down as 7. I’m stunned. I never thought this would happen.

Look, it’s not out of character for Raven to be judgmental. She always has been. But it’s as if they’ve chosen to reduce her to that one character trait this season. She brought up some good points to Ryker, though I do think she may have done better to just listen to what he had to say, too, as he seems to be the only Prime so far who isn’t totally on board with all of this. Their scenes weren’t the ones that bothered me. It was that little line at the beginning when Josephine/Clarke said, “We’ve all done things we aren’t proud of to survive,” and she claimed, “I haven’t.” Like . . . WTF? Are you kidding me, Raven? You’ve killed people, too, either directly or indirectly. You were willing to turn Murphy in to the grounders to save Finn. You decided to withhold medicine from that little girl in 4x03. She may not have done the things Clarke or Bellamy or Octavia has done, but she’s not a ****ing saint, and she needs to stop talking about herself like she’s never done anything wrong.


Echo: Not needed for the storyline this week (all the Spacekru girls have this in common, actually). It was good that she went after Bellamy, but I don’t know what I’m supposed to be getting out of these scenes. Were we supposed to see that Echo is smart by piecing it together? We already knew she was smart. But it was weird how she got back and said, “What’s going on?” and then acted all surprised when Bellamy told her Clarke was dead. She already knew. I don’t get it.


Octavia: Not as big of a part in the episode this week, but she’ll have a big part to play in the story, it seems. This storyline is VERY out there. It’s not really my favorite type of storyline for the series (I like the more character-driven ones), but because she and Diyoza and Xavier have good chemistry as actors, I’m along for the ride.


Diyoza: Probably the one who’s anchoring that storyline the most for me right now. Ivana is just soooo good. There are some characters we can get rid of, because I do agree with what some others have said about how they’re struggling to fit everyone into the plot these days, but Diyoza is not one of them. With Raven’s fall from fandom grace, I think Diyoza might be the new most universally-liked character on this show? Her lines are great, Ivana’s acting is great, and she just makes me want to see more of her. Xavier is right that Diyoza wants to prevent Octavia from being on the same page in the history books as she is, and that really speaks highly of her, actually.


Xavier: I still don’t have much to say about him yet. Reminds me of Lincoln a bit with how he knows about herbal healing stuff. Idk.


Abby: I defended Abby’s storyline last season as being important, but this season, she’s getting on my nerves a lot. She’s totally dead-set on saving Kane, which I want her to be able to do, because I like Kane. And I understand why that would be her focus, because she loves him. But I can’t believe she’s not picking up on how many things are wrong with her “daughter” right now. This mother/daughter relationship leaves a lot to be desired. Honestly . . . if Abby were to no longer be on the show, it wouldn’t bother me. Sorry, Abby.


Stray Notes: Poor Luisa. She’s a good actress and plays a character who most people like seeing, but she’s so under-utilized.
The trees thing is weird.
No Jordan tonight felt kind of weird.
Dark commander is creepy but a bit OTT.
Russell’s wife (name?) is no better than her daughter.
I hope for redemption for Russell simply because I like JR Bourne.
The Monty mention hit just right emotionally, but could we get Harper’s name thrown in there, too, once in a while?


Episode MVP: Bellamy Blake without a doubt for me. He’s the reason I wanted to rewatch. His emotions were my emotions. His scenes were my favorites.

6x01: Bellamy?
6x02: Murphy
6x03: Clarke
6x04: Diyoza
6x05: Jordan
6x06: Bellamy


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They kept emphasizing that they couldn’t bring Clarke back, and that got on my nerves, because I was like, “No, we better bring Clarke back because I can’t stand that other girl.”
When they showed Bellamy sitting outside there looking heartbroken . . . that was so good.
Bob and Eliza are soooo good! They have to play such serious roles. I wonder if Bob was thinking of how he would really feel if he lost Eliza.
I don’t understand what’s going on with Octavia.
I get a kick out of the pregnant woman—can never remember her name—with her, “Well, you’re not boring.” That character is awesome. Actress is so good.
They need to show Kane again. I do not want them putting him in someone else’s body. We need him back on the show.
I wonder what Madi’s going to do now.
I like the way it ended, because I saw Clarke, and I was so happy. We need. Clarke. Back. I have always liked her.

@ my mom being a huge Clarke stan.
Oh, and she also guessed it right away when I told her that Bob got married. She knew it was to Eliza.
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Best line of the episode, Diyoza telling Octavia she isn't boring. I want more of these two. But I am wondering why Octavia suddenly has dreads.

So apparently the Primes don't even allow those who don't have the Nightblood gene to reproduce? They literally just allow people to be born to serve or become hosts. That's it.

Abby really has gone off her rocker. And she should know Kane would never be okay with what she's planning to do.

I agree with Fuzzy, something about Bellamy's reaction to things just didn't feel right. Accepting the deal so they survive? Trusting that the Primes will stick to that? Nope. Not Bellamy.

Murphy was spot on.

I really appreciated Echo not allowing that man to suffer. I'm hoping she's the one to light a fire under Bellamy and get him out of this complacency.

Can't wait to see what Madi does next.
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Good episode, definitely one of my favourites so far this season. I feel like it’s really going to ramp up now, heading into the second half of the season and I can’t wait!

Initial comments:

- Disappointed and a bit surprised at Murphy betraying Clarke and the others but it is in his nature at the end of the day, it seems. Saving himself at the expense of others ... he did try saving Bellamy but not hard enough.

- Bellamy’s trigger word being Monty’s name ... “Monty ... would have been disappointed in you.” So true.

- I feel like the only reason why Bellamy is shown to be submissive and accepting of his fate at the end of the episode is because he is hatching a plan (possibly with Madi in it too). They will be out for blood in the next episode, I feel. He just doesn’t trust Murphy (and possibly the others) enough to reveal his plan now.

- Abby is too easy to manipulate.

- Wow, Spacekru really doesn’t care for Clarke, huh? They were all sad looking and moody but really, the only emotion I feel is coming from Bellamy and surprisingly Gaia? Or that is probably also tied in with her relationship with Madi and her feeling bad for Madi, having lost her mother.
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Best line of the episode, Diyoza telling Octavia she isn't boring. I want more of these two. But I am wondering why Octavia suddenly has dreads.

So apparently the Primes don't even allow those who don't have the Nightblood gene to reproduce? They literally just allow people to be born to serve or become hosts. That's it.

Abby really has gone off her rocker. And she should know Kane would never be okay with what she's planning to do.

I agree with Fuzzy, something about Bellamy's reaction to things just didn't feel right. Accepting the deal so they survive? Trusting that the Primes will stick to that? Nope. Not Bellamy.

Murphy was spot on.

I really appreciated Echo not allowing that man to suffer. I'm hoping she's the one to light a fire under Bellamy and get him out of this complacency.

Can't wait to see what Madi does next.
Maybe with the granny hand Octavia is having a hard time brushing her hair?

It doesn't make much sense that they only let nightbloods reproduce, right? Because they said they're out of host bodies... so doesn't that mean that the Primes themselves should be popping out babies together as fast as they can??? That's the one surefire way to make more nightbloods in their situation. But that doesn't seem to be what they're doing. So then they have to be genetically testing the people to see if they're carriers and then breeding them. Which would mean that the gene is recessive, which you and I established last week wouldn't make sense. It's just a mess.

Yeah, I'm hoping we get some quality time with Kane to discuss the concept of living forever by snatching bodies. Because if they offer him this solution, he's gonna say no. Because he's Kane. So then what is Abby going to do? For a "doctor," she has an appalling track record with informed consent and ethics.

You make a good point about trusting the Primes to keep their word. They made a big point of showing us that the mind drives are a finite resource, so I feel like they're gonna start to get a little carried away promising people immortality and then not being able to follow through. Like what is the deal, even? That Bellamy won't retaliate, they'll all trick Abby into turning everyone into nightbloods so that the Primes (and only the Primes) can live forever, and in exchange all 400 people from Earth get to live in the compound? And maybe get turned into nightbloods so they can sacrifice themselves for the Primes? This is a really ****ty deal.

Madi is probably going to betray the Jedi and kill all the younglings. I think that's how this story goes.
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I feel like Gaia was mostly sad for Madi, too, Sarah. Do you guys think she cares more about the flame than she does about Madi?

I don’t know if Bellamy is thinking of a plan right now, but I think that . . . right now, he doesn’t have a choice but to try to keep everyone calm. I want them to get revenge, but they are so outnumbered and so new to this world. It’s not practical. I’m really curious as to what his emotional state will be in the next episode, particularly around Josephine, Russell, Murphy, and Madi. For Russell, he feels hatred and rage. For Josephine, he feels that, but it’s pain, too, because of the body she’s wearing. For Murphy, it’s probably disappointment, frustration, some distrust. And for Madi, sympathy, a sense of responsibility (I hope), and concern. That’s . . . a lot of things to be feeling, and Bellamy feels things so deeply.
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