And I can't understand the mindset that this was a good episode for Bellamy.Especially coming from people who are fans of the Bellamy/Clarke friendship. He gave up so quickly. He was so easily convinced to betray her memory by making a deal with the people who murdered her. It's not even about bloody revenge. I'm amazed that you guys think it's somehow romantic(?!) or something that Bellamy is standing by and becoming complicit in the brainwashing and body-snatching that killed Clarke. I am genuinely shocked that you guys liked that. :confused:

But oh, well. People are going to see things in different ways. :shrug:

Oy! Again, there is more to this than just getting revenge/retaliation or doing nothing. I agree with Fuzzy, I just don't see how anyone that's a fan of Bellamy sees this as good for him. It's not who he is. And it is in no way whatsoever honoring Clarke or her memory. It's equivalent to spitting on her grave actually.

For example, what do we think Clarke is going to do if/when she gets control of her body back? Is she going to say, "Good call, Bellamy. Let's continue to work with the Primes so they can keep stealing bodies?" Obviously not. She's going to immediately start figuring out a way to end the mind drive business. And if Bellamy knows Clarke, then he should know that she wouldn't have wanted him to do this. But I guess he's just really susceptible to Murphy's bull****?

This is exactly how I'm viewing it, too.

I feel like in the previous pages, it was being alluded to that Bellamy's grieving was OOC compared to his grieving in past seasons :shrug: I'm also too lazy to go back and retrieve those posts. Him telling Echo that right now is just because, at that exact moment in time, he does NOT know what he's going to do. He doesn't have to make a decision immediately, he's bought the time, and now he can think.

I think we need to see how the next episode or two plays out and then we'll be able to identify if he's really throwing in the towel for good, or not.

This is a prettier way of saying what I was saying :look:

We should, but that probably means we won't. Who knows. I need her to find out ASAP and preferably onscreen (for our viewing pleasure), because then will she second guess what she's about to do? Or is her Saving Kane Desperation stronger than anything else?

I do see where you're coming from re: the trust factor Bellamy seemingly has in these people, despite what they've done to Clarke BUT, I still maintain that it's too early to tell if he's truly believing them and believing that they will have safe shelter there.

They do, which is why it's fun to banter in here :lol:

And I don't see it as romantic at all? Shipper feelings aside, at the end of the day, the show has specifically told us (as has Jason) that Clarke and Bellamy are supposed to be eachothers' #1 (they are platonic soulmates after all) - and it was written in the script that not strangling 'ol beardo was the 'hardest decision of his life'. It's being shoved in our face that she is so important to him - and we saw his reaction to Murphy when Murphy mentioned Monty.

This season is about facing your demons, and I believe that Bellamy's demons are quite basically his past decisions and how they haunt him. I think he even mentioned that in episode 5 to JosephineClarke. He's sitting there on the bench twisting his hands around because I think he doesn't trust what he's done, and I don't think he's comfortable making a deal with these people. He's stuck between trying to honour Monty (essentially by not killing a bunch more people and starting a new cycle of death) and Clarke (by trying to protect their people, the thing they do together, even though it seems totally garbage right now and he's probably thinking 'wow this sucks, these people suck but this is the only decision I can make right now through my cloud of grief').

Basically, if Bellamy is sitting around at the bar next episode and ignoring everything that's going on around him then sure - I'll have an issue with that. But right now I don't.

Further to that, hasn't the show always shown us that they work better as a team? Sorry, but Bellamy doesn't usually go around solving complex problems by himself. He doesn't know anything about computers and I don't think he possesses the cunning that Clarke has. If anyone disagrees with me here, let me know. He does better in partnerships or team settings. This is why I want Raven to enter the picture. As someone who's been affected mentally by a chip, and someone who is super suspicious and pissed right now, I feel like she might be one who could say 'hey, let's think about this for a minute'.

But that's just it, it's being presented right now as though he has made the decision. He said as much to his people. As Fuzzy and I have said, if he told Echo he's not sure yet that would have been totally believable. But at this point he does have a plan. To sit and do nothing. That is what is OOC.

I'm still gonna reserve my full judgement on his reaction to this situation until the next episode. I'm guessing they made him say 'nothing' because Echo wanted to enact violence, which he literally just stopped himself from doing not long earlier. Not doing violence = doing nothing...at the moment.

I don't buy that. Echo asked when they were going to attack because that's what she expected him to want (because that would be actually in character for him.) She was being supportive. And then he said they're doing nothing. Doing nothing = doing nothing.

I'm also just going to say that I've thought that the show has done a pretty bad job of showing us that Bellamy and Clarke "work better together." At least not since S2. I see them as enabling the worst things each of them has done. Like genocide and murder. Like Mount Weather or that absolutely gruesome and useless fiasco where they killed Kara with the worms. I don't like being told that I have to believe that they're each others' #1's because I think that concept is actually depressing. I should hope they're not "soulmates" because those are some dark, guilty souls. Clarke was a better person before Bellamy told her she needed to be different to survive. Bellamy became a better person while he was away from her for six years. When they're working together, civilizations gets destroyed and planets are burned to the ground. It's not cute. I think they're legit bad influences on each other. All of those sappy, heartfelt scenes where they hug out all of their feelings about their various murders and betrayals seem really forced to me. :shrug:

Okay I've only watched it once so far so I'll have to rewatch and pay attention to Bellamy's actions/response, but is it not possible he's focused on how to keep Madi safe right now, and not much else? That would be the one thing, above all, Clarke would want. If he truly believes Clarke is gone he's not going to waste time dwelling on that. He'll grieve, yes, but he'll do it while moving on to the next phase which would be keeping Madi safe.

But I've only watched it once and I was somewhat ill when I did, so I wasn't able to absorb as much of it as I normally would.

Totally agree with the bolded. Call me foolish, but I'm taking Bellamy at his word here. Cause he's that type of guy. He's not Murphy. :shrug:

As for the rest, I agree in part but not totally. They do enable some poor qualities in each other with this tendency to just forgive whatever horrible thing they've done either individually or together. But the alternative to them working together doesn't seem all that great either. Any way you slice it this world they're in is rough. Horrible choices are made all the time.

Honestly, takes me back to an earlier theory I had that this show really just works to prove that the human race is horrible. They should set fire to Sanctum as well and kiss humanity goodbye.

The alternative to them working together is what we saw in the first half of S1, which was when I thought their interactions were the most interesting. The have been through cycles of horrible choices and bad decisions together. Like they start out fighting (and Bellamy almost drops her into a spike pit,) then they work together, then Clarke lets a bomb drop on his sister, then they commit genocide together, then Clarke runs away and has her whole romance with Lexa, then Bellamy commits a war crime with Pike and he and Clarke fight each other, then they work together again, then Clarke deliberately locks his sister out of the bunker (which was a decision to let her die), and then he inexplicably is okay with that and she saves them when they go into space, then they don't even see each other for six years (far longer than they ever knew each other), then they reunite and briefly work together before he puts a chip in her daughter's head and she leaves him to die and then... somehow here we are and they've forgiven each other because they've both been so terrible, but at least they were terrible *together* so bygones??? I don't think it makes any sense and every time they have some sappy scene about how important they are to each other I just don't understand why. I think it's the repetitive nature of the betrayals that bothers me. It's not like they started out enemies and then they learned to work together and they've been a solid team ever since. Their relationship has been hella rocky and messed up. They shouldn't be so blindly forgiving of each other every time these things happen. They have serious baggage. But it's not like it's the first time I've watched a teen show promote a problematic relationship as some sort of "soulmates" situation (super abusive Chuck and Blair spring to mind.) Oh, well. Sometimes media sends unhealthy messages. :shrug:

Jason retweeted an article about platonic relationships this week that had a picture of Bellarke. The show never promoted them as soulmates.

As for Bellamy, he matured in the six years they spent in space. He became a calmer and more strategic person. He thinks his actions through and doesn’t just attack without a proper plan.

Actually, Jason called them soulmates (non-romantic) in an EW article a year or two ago. I can bring it up if need be.

Actually it took 0.1 seconds to find, here you go:
https://ew.com/tv/2018/08/07/the-100...-planet-monty/

The comparison to Chuck and Blair...no thanks! That's a violent, emotionally abusive relationship that's super unhealthy and yet the show still promoted them as this wonderful romantic pairing. That's a gross comparison. Bellarke have done garbage things together sure, which is why they have that link/bond/whatever you want to call it, They aren't walking around congratulating eachother for doing a bunch of genocide. They know they both carry the weight of tons of murder on their shoulders, and making potentially garbage choices. They know this, they don't manipulate or gaslight eachother every other Tuesday.

Anyway, we all interpret the show differently, so let's not question why someone might enjoy something or enjoy a scene or a character.

We're also getting off track from the actual episode, so let's try and stick to events that happened this week.

I think Jason specifically said they were "platonic soulmates" in an interview. I think they're more like damaged war buddies who aren't always on the same side.

I agree that Bellamy matured in space. The issue isn't that he's waiting to attack when he gets a proper plan. Before Murphy got in his ear, he did want to just kill them all. But then after he gave in, he didn't go back and tell his people they were gong to come up with a plan. He told them they were going to do nothing. :shrug:

I think the show is ignoring what Bellamy would normally do (if he were acting in character) so that they can have this Sheidheda plot with Madi. And maybe so that other characters like Dictavia, Raven, and Jordan (and probably Clarke when she comes back) can be the ones to come up with the real solution to the Primes. I mean, I'm fully in favor of giving those characters good storylines. I just don't like it when it feels like they're manipulating it by giving other characters idiot plots.

I feel like how Bellamy is acting right now is completely realistic and I don't see it as OOC at all. :shrug: One of my favourite comedies (The Good Place) had this quote that stuck with me ... about how sadness/grief should be embraced because it will all come leaking out of them anyway (if they tried to suppress it). He's always been an emotional person, so this is his channel for coming to terms with that news right now. And even comfort from Echo isn't enough to stop that grief from overwhelming him at the moment.

How each person grieves may be different, and could also differ depending on the circumstances at that point in time. For example, I'm thinking back to when he thought that Octavia was dead (when Echo stabbed her and she fell off the cliff) and that scene in that jail cell ... I never imagined that kind of openly guttural reaction even from someone as emotional as Bellamy but it happened that way. And when Roan brought him and Kane to be used for negotiation purposes, he looked utterly defeated and despondent, completely teary eyed etc. Just as he was, when he thought that Clarke was dead. We just never got to see it the first time around because of the time jump, and it's also different because he can actually see Clarke (in Josephine) but it's not Clarke at all. I imagine that is even more painful than thinking she is dead (but not actually knowing if she did die). In comparison, Josephine is literally a physical reminder of her death.

And also the main difference with him reacting to Octavia's and Clarke's deaths, is that he found out quite soon after the news that Octavia wasn't dead. Whereas he has no clue now that Clarke is still not quite dead but trapped in her own mind.

He didn't just roll over at the start and was ready to fight back when he thought that Murphy was still on his side. And even in that state, he was smart enough to realise that Murphy was not being truthful about the deal.

And I also agree with Taryn here:

He's probably channelling that grief into being there for Madi right now. He made a promise to protect Madi so that's exactly what he is trying to do right now. Though he would probably be shocked once he learns that she already has a darker plan for revenge, than him right now. :eek:

The script being released confirmed that it was Bellamy's hardest decision so it's not such a reach to believe that he would be broken up about Clarke's death but that he knew that violence begetting violence doesn't solve anything ... so he came to the conclusion that was the best decision for now. I seriously still doubt that he's ultimately going to let this slide, so we will see next week, I suppose.


Thank you, that's an offensive comparison to me especially since Chair has been rightfully called out by fans as physically and mentally abusive, toxic and dysfunctional on a whole other level but promoted as something entirely romantic.

Excuse me. It's not meant to "offend" you, it's my honest opinion. Did Chuck and Blalr ever commit genocide together? Have they ever knowingly left the other (or their families) to die? I don't know about Chair because I didn't watch the later seasons. But Bellamy and Clarke have. And it gets promoted by the showrunner as "best friends" or "soulmates" which to me is disconnected from reality. I would absolutely not consider a person who had done those things to me (or with me) to be my best friend. But I guess because so many things in this show are horrific, it can be overlooked.