BlueDog9

Or do both

sonny1

Now that you say it, Tara ... we had a lot Jasper mentions in S5 until now, but no one has mentioned Lincoln ... although it would be really important for Octavia, if someone would remind her of Lincoln and according which values Lincoln has lived

TaraJoyful

Yeah, how powerful would this be?

"Lincoln didn't die to see you turn into Pike!"

I can see Indra or Bellamy coming at her with that...yikes.

kiss the wind

I would love this, but we aren't that lucky to get a line like this.

sonny1

That's a great line

Hopefully someone tells Octavia something like that

April7739

This. Would be. The best.

destroyer of worlds

What scares me about Octavia right now is how almost gleeful she is about going to war. It’s like there is no other alternative, it’s happening no matter what so I really did feel like what Bellamy did was completely necessary (killing Cooper wasn’t though) since I doubt that she’s at the point where she can listen to reason anymore.

jediwands

Completely agree. There was no other way to stop her short of killing her. She wasn't going to stop and she has cult-like followers who will not listen to anyone besides her too. It was the only way.

I mentioned on my Everwood board a couple weeks back with others who watch the show how Lincoln should absolutely be brought up. A Lincoln mention might be the one thing that allows her to start the healing process.

Regan

Even if it's not a case of Octavia suspecting Indra, and punishing her for that, I think that it would be enough for her that she can't be sure that she wasn't involved. She might think that there's a 10% chance that Indra was involved (as opposed to 99.9% for Bellamy) and, while that isn't enough to prompt her to arrest her or cut emotional ties with her, it's enough that she's not about to entrust an important mission to her.

Basically, it'd be a case of "I don't think that you're guilty but I can't be sure that you're innocent."

That's the problem. She has options and it's not a case of her being unable to see them, she's unwilling to consider any option other than Wonkru taking possession of the valley. The only circumstances in which I can see her agreeing to share the valley would be if the Eligius group agreed to join Wonkru.

destroyer of worlds

I hope that Lincoln will be brought up to her and it’ll be interesting to see if a Lincoln mention is enough to bring her back from the brink and realise that maybe how she’s been operating is not the best way.

I feel like it may not be enough and that she’ll only accept a truce if Eligius wholly surrenders to Wonkru.

Regan

Her philosophy of "You are Wonkru or you are the enemy of Wonkru" would apply.

Even in the event of a surrender, I doubt that she'd accept the leaders among the Eligius group.

Likewise, Diyoza will accept surrender, not alliance or co-existence, and I suspect that she will not be willing to leave Octavia alive.

BlueDog9

I feel like, if they were going to mention Lincoln or Pike to Octavia, they'd have done so by now.

I think Octavia needs to be fighting/a war, otherwise she's doesn't know how to be. Either that, or she's so power hungry now that logic goes right out the window.

Taryn74

I know it's far too late for it now, but I WISH when Bellamy had first argued to Octavia that Eligius feels they have the same right to the valley that Wonkru does, that Octavia had snapped back "Yeah? And how many original inhabitants of Shadow Valley does Eligius have, exactly? Because Wonkru has 96." (Or whatever the actual number would be, because I'm willing to bet she knows.)

Everybody's hating on Octavia this season, and I'm not saying she hasn't earned it, but Diyoza and Eligius didn't exactly land on the ground and open their doors waving white flags and yelling 'we come in peace'. Just because Diyoza has been shown over the past few eps to be the more reasonable leader doesn't mean she's some pacifist that Octavia is just sh@@@ing all over in her power hungry quest for total rule.

Taryn74

double post

Regan

I can't recall if any character has indicated what kind of numbers the valley can sustain, and if Earth's current population of c. 1,100 can live there.

If it can support everybody, then I think that the fairest solution, if uniting is not on the cards, would be to split it based on population.