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Old 12-23-2016, 01:23 AM
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It doesn't matter Margaux (I don't think I've seen it before )
It's awesome!

Looking forward to your thoughts Belle and Sarah
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Old 12-23-2016, 03:39 AM
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Octavia has pretty much (always) been characterised to be this warrior who solves problems with violence. We see her slash this person up, that person up. And what are our first thoughts when we see her do so? That she's a badass. Take the many initial reactions of Octavia in the S4 trailer for example. 9 times out of 10 you'll see the words "She's a badass." (From myself included.) It wasn't until she beat up Bellamy that she was labelled as abusive. To me, abusive isn't the best term, as by dictionary definition abuse is 'habitual.' Octavia lashed out physically on Bellamy the one time. (If there are more, please correct me.) Once does not define a habit. Please understand that I also do not condone violence, nor will I ever, but to say that Bellamy is the victim of abuse is untrue. Is he the victim of assault? Yes. Abuse? No. I think this is one of the bigger issues. Viewers need to learn to differentiate between abuse and assault, otherwise we're all just throwing a strong term around loosely. I also think that Bellamy did not stop Octavia, because he knows that violence is a way for her to unleash anger. Her coping mechanism - her outlet. He's put his body on the line more than once for the people he cares about, and that's what he's doing again, though this time for Octavia. Partly because he thinks he's deserves it and party because he's using his body as her outlet.

Pardon me if this post is messy and off the mark!

ETA: I'd just like to add that I understand this is my own view and not all will share the same, nor do all agree with certain definitions.
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Old 12-23-2016, 04:14 AM
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Belle, I love your post!

She has been portrayed as more violent right since the pilot where she wanted to lunge out to the other delinquents and Bellamy held her back
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Old 12-23-2016, 06:26 AM
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Belle, I love your post!

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I also think that Bellamy did not stop Octavia, because he knows that violence is a way for her to unleash anger. Her coping mechanism - her outlet. He's put his body on the line more than once for the people he cares about, and that's what he's doing again, though this time for Octavia.
I couldn't agree more!

Also what you said about abuse vs assault is great!
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Old 12-23-2016, 08:02 AM
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Great post. Especially the part about abuse vs assault.

Like you said the Bellamy/Octavia incident wasn't an every day occurrence which is why the others jumped in and tried to stop her. The Arkers might have handed down strict sentences (floatings and lashings) but fighting like that isn't something that is a part of their culture. I don't think anybody would have stopped two grounders from fighting. So it definitely is the warrior culture

And last night I was watching S1 clips and after Charlotte jumps the first thing Bellamy did was go after Murphy and start to beat him up. So he did the same thing as Octavia which is why he understood it.
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They're definitely both hot tempered, no argument here

However, since then I think Bellamy has managed to keep his temper in check. Octavia maybe less so
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Old 12-23-2016, 08:15 AM
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However, since then I think Bellamy has managed to keep his temper in check. Octavia maybe less so
Maybe a bit
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Old 12-23-2016, 10:17 PM
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I'm glad my post made sense. I write at the worst of times.

I guess we'll find out where their character development heads next soon!
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Old 12-24-2016, 05:28 AM
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You made perfect sense Belle

I want to know now!!!
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Old 12-24-2016, 06:27 AM
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However, since then I think Bellamy has managed to keep his temper in check. Octavia maybe less so
So true But it's great that even being hidden from people for so long didn't stop her from standing up for herself She could have been more passive and let people walk all over her.
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I'm always wondering myself how relatively normal Octavia is

Was it Atom who said she's not a basket because because she was loved?
Something along those lines...
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I think she does pretty well for herself all considered. If I had been kept under the floor for that long without interaction with others outside my family, I'd have bad social anxiety, confidence, the lot. Bellamy played a big part in helping her grow, though.
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I'm always wondering myself how relatively normal Octavia is

Was it Atom who said she's not a basket because because she was loved?
Something along those lines...
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Just watched 3.03 and their MW scene, then I thought about the future and it was sad
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