girl under the floor

CanIcallYouKate

tftnt Paula

I love this title.
I forget when he said that (or was it a tweet?), I only remember we were psyched about it

ElenaBelle

Tftnt!

I've been thinking about it too. I was thinking if Jasper hit Bellamy because of Maya dying I would have accepted it. But if he hit Clarke it would be much more difficult to look passed it. The male/female dynamic influences my judgement.

But I was thinking about my father who was a kid about 40-50 years ago. He grew up in a generation where it was okay to hit your children as a disciplinary measure without judgement. Whereas nowadays a parent wouldn't even think about that. The people on the Ark though seemed more okay with harsher punishment which is why Abby got sentenced to those lashings. So different societies/generations will judge differently.

CanIcallYouKate

Elena

that was part of the point I was making.
We' re more upset in some circumstances than others.

We've been conditioned by society to attribute different values to gender, circumstance etc. Again I'm not saying that's a bad thing or wrong. It is what it is.

Remember Jasper kind of hitting (not hard but still) Bellamy in the face before they go out on patrol in the rover? I bet nobody thought twice about it beyond "ugh Jasper, that was a jerk move". Imagine he had hit, let's say Harper or Monroe instead. We'd see it differently.

Even though Octavia is tough as nails, she is a girl. If the situation was reversed and Bellamy had beaten her to a pulp, I think there would have been a media outcry with articles about how disgusting the message is that this show is sending! (and rightly so )


Anyway, I'm curious about what you have to say Paula

girl under the floor

I'm back home now

Well, the point I made back when I was commenting on it, comes close to your comment about it not being transferable to real life Kate

In Real Life I would've never been okay with someone beating someone else up like that. Not even if the victim in the situation insists that others stay out of it.

But to me there are indeed two different kinds of context.

1. They live in a much more physical world. Most people on the show get into physical situations. Like you said; violence in general is more accepted. Not only in the Grounder culture that Octavia has adapted too, but also in the Arker culture. The violence is more accepted in the The 100 world. It's not just Octavia who does it.
So for that, I can "excuse" Octavia for it.


2. It's TV. On TV sometimes you have to make things more visual. Only having Octavia glare at Bellamy and only having her shout at him, would probably not have worked as well. They needed to make it visual that their bond, their connection was truly and utterly broken. It was broken so bad that she no longer cared about his physical well being.
That's how I can "excuse" the show for it.


It was just a few days ago that Sarah posted something in the Octavia thread with some criticism and she told me not to get mad
I know and accept Octavia's faults
And while it may not always seem that way, I hold her just as responsible for her faults as I do let's say Clarke () and Bellamy.

But because it's Not transferable. Because we can not even begin to compare it to how we would feel about the situation had it been Real Life, I do not fault her for this.

destroyer of worlds

I have more to comment on this later which is better suited when I'm not phone posting eugh but just wanted to say I agree with this. Societal perceptions and what is acceptable and not acceptable evolve over time ... and you guys make a good point on what we deem acceptable based on our own experiences vs. what is more acceptable in a violent, post apocalyptic world. Doesn't make it right of course especially when none of the others resort to such physical violence when they're in pain ... but I guess I can understand it better from this perspective.

And TFTNT. Love the new title.

stlavin95

Thanks for the new thread!

CanIcallYouKate

I like that you put excuse into ""
I was trying not to judge in any way because that is partly why I think most people are upset with Octavia's actions here. I get that people find it hard to watch (as do I, like I said, it's probably in the top 5 most hard to watch for me), but they're also not ok with the whole scene for moral/ethical reasons. And the bolded bit is what I was trying to say, yes. Different standards in THE 100 world (I hadn't actually thought about that initially). I do not necessarily consider Bellamy a victim in this situation though I know how you meant it in this context, but idk what I think, maybe I need to mull it over a bit more...


Good point, also something I hadn't considered. Show don't tell is the mantra of good drama, and you're absolutely right. It visualizes a break in their relationship that will take all of next season to be mended I suspect.


Bolded bit: I know you do and I think all of us in here are mature enough to not just excuse away our favorite character's faults. I'd be the first one to complain about things that annoy me about Octavia, but like I said before, in this scene, I completely understand Octavia. I was so mad at Bellamy for being dumb, manipulated, weak, rash, vindictive (I understand his motivations, but I was still angry at him) and I was thinking if I were Octavia and his actions had partly caused the death of the love of my life? I would have beaten the crap out of him too.

ElenaBelle

You actually reminded me of this sociology course I did a couple years ago. They started by giving us a case study of a tribe (I can't remember exactly which one) but I remember they had many customs which resulted in them causing physical harm and pain to their bodies. So majority of the class was like Why would they do this? And then the lecturer introduced us to the concept of ethnocentrism where you judge other people's culture based on your own. And by the end of the class I was looking at things very differently. You have to look at it from the other person's POV/culture and realise that your opinion/POV is not necessarily the only/right one.

Totally agree

CanIcallYouKate

I love this. I'd even go further and say you realize that there is no such thing as right or wrong when it comes to looking at events outside of your cultural sphere.

girl under the floor

Limited English vocabulary sometimes forces me to use words that aren't really correct in the context
I agree, Kate, victim is not the word I would use to describe Bellamy in this situation

And I totally agree on the morals too In this world, I'd not be okay with it But it didn't happen in this world, it happened in The 100 world. There's no use for me to apply the morals from Real Life to a/that TV show

CanIcallYouKate

Agreed Paula!

I love that all this great discussion came out of my potentially "controversial" post.

Thanks girls!

Ellfoy

I don't know if this gifset has ever been posted.









x

hedawanheda

I'm gonna go back and read through that discussion when I can sit down properly because it looks really interesting but just wanted to quickly say thanks for the new thread and Margaux, that gif set is awesome. Big Bellamy and little Octavia, aw.

destroyer of worlds

Very interesting points, guys. I'll have to sit down and digest just like Belle but I can say I agree with this, Paula:

Even though it's a visual that is very painful to watch, it did the "trick" in terms of showing the audience how shattered the relationship is at the moment.