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Old 12-04-2016, 06:11 PM
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honestly, shipping gives me a headache.
Preach.

I usually do too, Lisa ... though admittedly, I did watch one show (or ar least YT clips) for one of my OTPs but generally, I watch shows for the stories and any ships that come out of it are just a bonus.

For example, if Bellarke never happened or one of them dies, I'd be devastated but I think I'll still watch the show because I'm a fan of the story itself/characters and not just the ships.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:14 PM
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Same, Lisa. I just got tired and enjoy the show for what it is. omg, lost. i just remember being confused.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:15 PM
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I've never ever let ships be my main focus when watching a show...not even consciously, just like...they were always a fun byproduct? Of course once invested that's a different story to an extent...but I always love a TV show as a whole and not just for a ship. All the other relationships are just as meaningful/fun to watch.
Damn, you're lucky! Ships are the center of my attention for 90% of the time. I start and stop watching shows because of shipping. It's rare for it not to happen. I'm a shippaholic, basically.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:20 PM
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Same, Lisa. I just got tired and enjoy the show for what it is. omg, lost. i just remember being confused.
Lost made a lot of people feel lost.

Okay, looks like we'll get to this new thread tonight!
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:21 PM
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Same, Lisa. I just got tired and enjoy the show for what it is. omg, lost. i just remember being confused.
Man, that show had epic ship wars too, right?
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:24 PM
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Man, that show had epic ship wars too, right?
More like exhausting. I posted on the Skate thread from time to time, and on episode discussion threads, but other than that . . . I pretty much stayed out of everything. There were a lot of bad apples on both sides, if I recall.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:27 PM
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Well, the one OTP that I immediately relate to Bellarke of mine is Harry and Hermione, from Harry Potter, possibly the front-runner of all my ships, now a tie with Bellarke. Not so much for its start, than for its building up. The two best friends who can communicate with a glance, who couldn't survive half the stuff they go through without the other, a pairing where the world stops when they're together and where simple hugs and kisses on the face mean everything. They are it for each other. They have other relationships, of all kinds, but none compares to what they have. No husband, nor wife would ever understand them as well as they know each other, no other person could ever overcome the role they play in each others lives. They'd die for each other and their world itself would die if they were to lose each other. They eventually do not become romantic, unfortunately, but not for lack of development and symbolism. They are the Bellarke that never became romantically canon. If Bellarke does become canon romantically, then I'll have had my happy ending at last. If they don't, they'll be more alike Harry and Hermione than I wish they would be
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:28 PM
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I can only imagine.

Well, being in a ship war for this show is enough for a lifetime for me. Sometimes, I wish I didn't ship so there's less annoyance at certain things/parts of the fandom but some ships are worth it. Like BC of course.
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I'm back ! Amsterdam was really cool. I do feel like November was slow here, lots of people are busy...

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I'm passing by because of this:
The Rosy — Ramblings on Polis and 3A
I've read it and I don't agree with the whole of it because I don't feel like Clarke and Lexa relationship was "abusive" in 3A. I do agree on the point that Clarke was not OOC in 3A but rather still under the shock of what happened in season 2. My mains problems with Lexa and Clexa came from season 2.
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Also, it leads to a talk that is about Bellarke:
To which extent was Bellamy cuffing Clarke abusive and to which it was "for a greater good", and is there a difference between his 3x05 actions and Lexas 3x02 choices? (this can be discussed under spoiler tags, if it's allowed)

How do you perceive the cuffing from a moral point of view? We've discussed this a lot under the perspective of Bellamy's reasoning behind it, but, fundamentally, how do you guys perceive it?
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I do see the cuffing as something fundamently wrong when I thing about it wihtout taking into account the circumstances and it does reveal a darker side of Bellamy's personnality : he tends to act according to what he thinks he needs to do for the people he loves without their consent sometimes. Thanksfully he can be talked out of it because he still listen to them. And I do think that Clarke could have talked him out of it well after a while...because honestly he was not in his right mind at the moment. And that is precisely why it is difficult to judge Bellamy's actions at that moment because he was clearly not in his right mind. I do not think he will have let Pike hurt Clarke, his whole point was just to force Clarke to stay rather to return to Polis (and Lexa). I have honestly a hard time figuring his motives at that point. Did he do it because he thought that Clarke had to stop running away ? To substract her from grounders and Lexa's influence ?
I do thing that the cuffing is something that Clarke and Bellamy should talk about as well.


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A few hours ago I was reading a book and suddenly a passage of it really bothered me. It went on and on about how the character felt so vulnerable without the other character and that she couldn't live without him and yadda yadda. This kind of love sounded beautiful to me when I was a teenager, but now it just sounds plainly sick. And then I wondered, why, then, don't I feel sick at the notion that Clarke couldn't bear to lose Bellamy. It comes down to what we've talked about so many times: they need each other, but they work on their own. Why didn't they work well on their own through season 2 (TonDC) or 3 (Pike, Clarke's absency and numbness), though? Because of fear. They're more vulnerable to their demons when alone. Clarke was numb through 3A because she was to afraid to move. She wanted to escape herself at anyhow. Hey, maybe the reason she took in every word of Bellamy's 3x05 rant then brushed off any resentment right away was because Bellamy aknowledging she was making a mistake made her feel less guilty. Maybe him calling her out on her **** was what she needed and wanted. Maybe she couldn't bare to stay in camp jaha because she couldn't deal with people thanking her for a mass murder. Not just because them being alive reminded her of what she did, but also because of how they would perceive what she's done as something ultimately positive. She couldn't deal with that guilt. Bellamy called her out on her guilt and maybe, ironically, it made her feel better. They have their fears and guilt together or apart, but, when together, they work their **** out just the way they need it to be dealt with. They could live without each other, but it could be a lot harder. Not because of unexplainable passion or out of this world epic love, but because they are the ones who best understand each other and, without that understanding, they are alone. Maybe that's what soulmates are. Two people who truly understand each other like that. It's when you feel at home because that person is next to you and talking to you, because you know you will be understood and that you won't have to be anything other than what you truly are. So as I felt disgusted by unexplainable love that kept the characters from breathing properly at the thought of losing each other, I see the idea of Clarke giving her life for Bellamy as beautiful, because it's not abstract. It's not based on over romantic concepts. It's based on how alone and helpless she would feel without that one person who understands her, that one person that calls her out when she needs it to happen, but that gives her comfort when she needs it, too, isn't that why we love 3x05? Maybe the argument itself is exactly what classifies them as good for each other, and maybe, just maybe, what ultimately proves them soulmates.

So whenever you cringe at the notion that Clarke and Bellamy would depend on each other to work properly or even to exist and question whether or not the scenes could be read as this, remind yourselves of this, of how they would work fine alone were they not under the influence of s2's events still and of how, whenever they do depend on each other, it's because Clarke and Bellamy understand each others fears like no one and are the best people to talk each other through them. Not because they are weak apart, but because they make each other stronger than they already are.
Ana, this part was beautiful and really moving.

I was supposed to answer to other posts but I'm just feeling too lazy at the moment. So...

April : I just looked at your tumblr and those drawings, I didn't expect them to be that graphic.

Becks : That is a cool Clexamy drawing.

Lisa : Bellamy's cool hat ? I'm not the biggest fan of Bellamy's Mount Weather clothes...
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:30 PM
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Anytime anyone brings up HP or THG, I just sit here obliviously.

Who wants to start the new thread, Adie's thread? I mean, I'd love to if no one else wants to, but if someone else wants to, go for it.



ETA: Welcome back, Margaux! Yeah, they're pretty graphic.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:35 PM
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Man, that show had epic ship wars too, right?
eh. I wasn't payinig attention. i just post at the jack/kate thread.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:37 PM
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This is my last post for now so go ahead, guys. Can't wait to see Adie's thread. And I second April ... welcome back, Margaux.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:39 PM
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eh. I wasn't payinig attention. i just post at the jack/kate thread.
You and Alexa have them in common. And I think Kate, too. There seem to be about an equal number of people here for Skate and Jate, so that's interesting.

Okay, I'm just going to go ahead and get the new one ready.

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ETA: Thread is ready, so please, somebody make one more post so I can finally go eat dinner.
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Old 12-04-2016, 06:53 PM
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Ok this is for you April ! Go eat your dinner !
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Thank you! I enjoyed killing this thread tonight, but now I'm so hungry!

http://www.fanforum.com/f34/%E2%98%8...read-63182039/
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