Hawthorn

Hamburgo1001

Thanks for opening this thread, Fran.

I take it there are no sneak peeks for this episode either. Is NBC this cheap with it's other shows too?

Hamburgo1001

Some quick throughts on the episode:

- Just when I was starting to appreciate the friendship between Rachel and Ken, he turns out to be evil and tries to kill her. Crazy spec of the day: Could Rachel's dad be a member of the Patriots too? He keeps on trying to make her think she's crazy. As if he's trying to lure her off their scent.

- I would say this was a great episode for Rachel. She was right about the Patriots and my guess is she will be co-leading the resistance against them. This should be the start of her redemption arc. And she proved once again that she can take care of herself. Her quick recovery from her serious injuries was stretching the boundaries of believability big time, though.

- The Patriots are really dumb when it comes to Neville.

- Monroe continues to be severely underused, but I did like his scenes with Charlie. This is all kinds of random, but I would love to see David Lyons in a gritty, sexy cable drama. What a treat to watch that would be.

- We have discussed the excessive violence on the show before, but I don't think it has ever been as excessive as it was last night. Almost every plot threat lead to an OTT murder or fight scene. As well executed as those are, I wish the show would tone it down a bit.

- Did the highly publicized Rachel/Miles kiss get cut? I was totally prepared for it to happen in the first part of the show, but it never came. And now they have changed clothes ...

severalmiles

i haven't got round to seeing the ep yet, hopefully I will be able to watch it tonight!

Heiots

I've read theories about that too. I started out really liking Gene, and I'd feel terrible if he turned out to be one of them. They already can't trust so many people. He's one of the few that I feel really cares for Rachel. But I can see...if they need to kill off some of the minor characters...make Rachel more desperate (AKA send her in the arms of Miles again), this Gene turning out to be a Patriot member might actually come true.

I wish.

Here's a review that I posted on the other forum.

Can I take the fact that this review is on the nbc site means the writers actually know how we feel about the balance of this show? It gives me hope that maybe they're not seeing things as black-and-white as I thought.

Or else, it's just this particular reviewer that feels this way.

ETA: Never mind. It doesn't seem to be the official site. =(

Hamburgo1001

Also, Gene doesn't like Miles and doesn't approve of Miles/Rachel. That could already be reason enough for the writers to make him evil.

Yeah, that looks like a fansite to me.


Preliminary ratings are out:

And the half hour numbers:

I think it should get adjusted up in the finals.

Hawthorn

I haven't watched the episode yet. Hopefully I'll catch up either tonight or tomorrow night.

Thanks for the ratings. I hope the preliminary numbers are adjusted up, indeed, otherwise it will be a new series low.

Hamburgo1001

Final ratings are out. Sadly, no adjustments:

Hawthorn

Ouchie. Do you think it's more a case of viewers simply having given up on the show or the new time slot might play a relevant part?

Hamburgo1001

Good question. I don't think Revolution is suitable for the 8PM hour, but I am also not a 100% convinced that it would do much better in a later timeslot. Sure, there will be some people that will watch it at 10PM and not at 8PM, but at the same time, there will probably also be some people who won't be able to watch it at 10PM anymore because they have to get up early the next day. And the 8PM hour has the added benefit of same-day-DVR-playback. 10PM shows don't benefit from it as much. But obviously, it wouldn't hurt to try a timeslot change.

Hawthorn

I didn't know that, thanks for the info.

You're probably right - at this point, a change of schedule won't make much of a difference. But if the ratings go down some more, NBC might try that, too, when the show comes back from the hiatus.

I haven't kept up with ratings/bubble watch discussion so I don't know what the predictions for Revolution are. But surely not very optimistic.

Hamburgo1001

If you watch a show on DVR until 3AM at night, it gets counted to the live ratings. From what I've heard, the 10PM hour is generally the hour with the greatest DVR usage on the night. You move a show from the 8PM to the 10PM slot, the DVR-window shortens by 2 hours.

It seems NBC is going to keep tRevolution in it's current timeslot for it's fall run. Do you think they could pair it up with the other JJ Abrams (Believe) show come spring?

Hawthorn

Thanks again. I rarely remember to pay attention to that kind of data.
They could and it might be a nice idea, but no idea if they will. Surely a better partner than L&O.


Some extra pics and BTS images from the episode from the NBC website, just because:

IloveJules!

Awww. The last picture of David and Tracy is very cute. I'd do the same thing, if I was in her place. Just try to touch him. He's so adorable!



I loved this episode. Best of the season so far, IMHO.

Liz was wonderful.

Lots of Rachel. Rachel away from Miles and being badass. Tom being badass. Bass being badass. Parallels between Rachel and Bass. And a good insight into Rachel's personality.

I'm very easy to please. That's all I need to be happy with Revolution.

It's incredible how Rachel is so much better and cooler when she's away from Miles doing her own thing and when the story is about Rachel's very own issues instead of her love for Miles.

That conversation between Gene and Rachel was so beautiful and genuine. I will be very disappointed if Gene turns out to be a Patriot. He's family. So please, don't go there, writers.

I think Gene has no idea Rachel is involved with the blackout. If he knew it, he would understand why Rachel is so desperate to fix things and wants the fight against these Patriots to be her fight. I want it to be HER fight too.

Ken being a Patriot was disappointing because their friendship was nice. But the worse thing was when Ken said he had a crush on Rachel. This was unnecessary. Makes it hard to believe this episode was written by a woman. Dear female writer, I appreciate very much that you kept Rachel away from Miles. Even if it's only during one episode. But you should know that a woman and a man can be friends without being sexually attracted to each other.

It's heartbreaking to see it, but I'm not surprised with Rachel cutting her wrist. It's not the first time she tried to kill herself. There's a part of Rachel that wants to die or thinks she deserves to die. The first time she wanted to kill herself, she wanted to take someone else with her too. I believe Rachel sees herself as a murderer, just like Bass. So she thinks she deserves to die as much as him. Rachel cutting her wrist just reinforces this way of thinking. It's her guilt that makes her suicidal.

It would be interesting if the Patriots want Rachel so they can blame her for the blackout. That would be a way to go back to this part of her story. Which is being ignored and it is annoying me. It would be interesting to see people against Rachel. She blames Bass for Danny's death, but lots of sons died because of the blackout. She has lots of blood on her hands too. So yeah, it would be interesting to see Rachel dealing with that.

The Patriots probably want Rachel because of what she can do anyway. They know she is highly intelligent and they think she can turn the power on. Also, she knows Randall and knows about the D.o.D. being behind the blackout. Rachel is golden for them.

I thought the parallel between Rachel and Charlie being out was cool. And the edit going from Charlie's eyes to Rachel's eyes in the beginning of the episode was really cool. For a brief moment I thought it was Tracy opening her eyes, but it was Liz.

I'm sorry, but you come out of nowhere, you call yourself the United States. I'm curious. We all are.

Rachel, please never change! You have to forgive Bass though. Because...

I know I can't never make it up, but I've got to try.

He's just like you. This quote is you, Rachel.

Loved seeing Bass saving Charlie once again. And I love that she totally doesn't care that he saved her twice and she keeps on hating him. I don't think Bass is a sociopath though. I mean, if he is, your mom is too, Charlie. He has an unstable mind. But I believe he's genuinely feeling guilty and genuinely wants to help.

And Charlie, honey, Bass was a marine. He's going to find you.

By the way, no one can fight better than Bass. That's a fact. He definitely can be very helpful.

I wonder the same thing as Charlie. How can Bass David make his eyes water so easily. Liz does the same thing very easily too. In this episode, it happened when Rachel was talking with Gene. I love their puppy eyes, anyway.

So it's 4 episodes now and I still have no idea what Ausiello was talking about. The "uncomfortable" thing between Bass and Charlie in close confines.

I also liked to see parallels between Tom and Rachel. But Tom's molar. This is something that wasn't necessary to be shown. Really.

Have no idea what's going on with Aaron. If it is the nano-fireflies controlling his mind or his mind controlling the nano-fireflies. I had the feeling that it was Aaron seeing the fire (the torch) that started everything. Anyway, for me, this storyline is not interesting. I'm just going to pretend Aaron is "warging" the nano-fireflies. It is a little bit similar to the Wargs in Game of Thrones. It's not even 1% as cool as the Wargs though.

Poor Titus. Yes, I was rooting for him instead of Miles.

When I thought the episode was going to end with Miles being all protective of Rachel. I was starting to roll my eyes. It ends with Bass and Charlie. I love that he doesn't look back at her. He looks at the Willoughby road sign.

Bass is so close to Rachel and I should be excited, but I'm not. I'm sure Miles and Charlie will block all the good things from happening.

I wrote a lot. But I really loved this episode.

I didn't like the first. Really liked the second. Hated the third. And loved the fourth. To keep things consistent, I'm prepared to not enjoy the fifth. I hope I will enjoy it though.



The official website only does recaps instead of reviews.

And according to the recap...

Monroe needs Charlie to take him to her mother, but Charlie is immune to his appeals.

Yes, they don't mention Miles. If only that's what he wanted the most. If only it didn't have anything to do with Miles.

Hamburgo1001

Members of the press like Ausiello sometimes receive advanced copies of the episodes for early review. Those screeners are unfished versions of the episodes that we see on TV, so it's possible that the scene he was referring to didn't make the final cut.