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Because for years now it has been Stefan who just gives and Damon who just takes. And I’m sick and tired that Stefan has to constantly sacrifice his own happiness just to spare Damon’s precious feelings less he goes on a murderous rampage again.
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I think both the brothers give and take from each other the same, they sacrificed their own happiness for the other and saved each other many times as much as they both hurt each other in many ways and times But it has also been proven they love each other and in my opinion none suffered more than the other in the long run, they both had crappy lives, don't see it as a competition, it's pointless to me
And I think there is plenty of time to build Defan again, they already started and they keep doing it and I'm very happy with it, love their scenes in the last episodes __________________
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Of course you would want it rebuild, Demon get all the benefits from it.
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Again, it's not a competition to me __________________
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i agree with you Anna. I think a lot of people get so lost in their ships that it's hard for them to see things outside of it. I completely agree about Damon and Stefan. I flove them. I always have. Even at their worst, I knew to hold on. I also think it's easy to forget about all the things that happened in their history, but because the writers didn't include it in the present, it's just rolls off people's back. That's totally fine because I let everything roll off mine too, but I'm also not gonna be bias about it. Both Stefan and Damon have done horrible things. Just because the show introduced Stefan as good and Damon as bad, doesn't mean it was always like that and definitely does not mean the rolls weren't reversed at one point or another. |
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Both the brothers suffered many times in their lives, both hurt/lied/manipulated the other, both have issues. But also they both saved each other, sacrificed for the other, and to me it's clear they love each other very much. They just face things differently, as it should be since they're tow very different people But in the end they know it's better to have the other in their lives and none at all, it was shown in 4x15 and it was shown last episode and that's exactly how I think they feel and why I like them like this, faults and virtues __________________
Fate whispers to the wolf,
“You cannot withstand the storm” The wolf whispers back, “I am the storm" Anna |
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I am very sad to see Enzo go. But suicide by Stefan was interesting. I think keeping Enzo's death from Damon is silly. But I guess is may draw SE closer and provide drama with Damon and them. It was also silly to see Elena and Bonnie studying. Bonnie knows she may die soon so why bother! Although I think Kat does a great job acting with the material she has Bonnie's story feels very much like a repeat of what has been done before. I am happy the Travelers haven't been shown to be love sick fools like all the other villains...I hope it stays that way. |
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exactly! I'm not going to go through the episodes to prove my point and I can't even think of things off the top of my head, but I think it's been proven time and time again that the writers have been actively showing us that these two have done horrible things to each other, but at the same time, have sacrificed a whole lot for each other as well.
Their love is strong and I never doubted it. |
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It is easy to generalize and say that both brothers have done horrible stuff to each other but if you really think about it, I bet the only bad thing Stefan has done to Damon is killing his chew-toy Andy in the beginning of season 3. And even this was in badly misguided attempt to protect him.
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Alright, since it seems you can’t think of anything else horrible that Stefan has to Damon after they appeared in Elena’s life, maybe you can give an example from those woobiefing retconning flashback’s we were treated to in seasons 2,3 and 4?
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It seems rather irrelevant to me to argue who did what to whom. Clearly Damon and Stefan care about each other and Stefan continues to do things to protect and help Damon. The show runners continue to talk about Defan and that it is important...even if their storytelling isn't very good at showing their message.
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Damon is a grade A douche.. he doesn't deserve Stefan's loyalty or love. I am so sick of people saying it's a ship thing.. NO, IT'S NOT!! I don't like Damon and it's not because Elena loves him.. it's because I LOVE Stefan, and it's because I love Stefan that I can't stand the way Damon treats him. Anyone who watches this show knows that they have both done bad things to each other, but it's Damon's constant bitchy attitude and lacklustre loyalty that he has to his own brother that sets him apart (imo). Don't try and sell me the relationship through Stefan's part when I already know and can see that Stefan loves his brother.. sell me it on Damon's part. Defan is the biggest joke on this show. I can completely understand why most Stefan fans hate the Defan brother-hood.
Also, I will nit-pick at whatever I want.. everyone who watches this show is a victim of that. We all do it, it's not some conspiracy against Damon. __________________
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The idea of Defan is nice, but it would be much more appealing to Stefan fans if the relationship was more balanced and reciprocal.
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Okay it is possible to have issues with Damon and Stefan without it not being about ELena.. because that is where my problem is.... No matter what some say their relationship is one sided. and there hasn't been any growth of their relationship its not even an even relationship its one brother gives and the other takes. I am sorry no matter what this show tells me.... Defan relationship is nonexistent to me because the writing for the show has shown me nothing different.
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