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Old 11-13-2012, 02:55 PM
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TVD Episode 4x06: We All Go a Little Mad Sometimes Discussion. Airs November 15th






ELENA’S NEW NIGHTMARE- Terrifying hallucinations leave Elena (Nina Dobrev) shaken and confused, causing her to make a dangerous mistake. After giving Stefan (Paul Wesley) some very disturbing news about Elena, Klaus (Joseph Morgan) takes matters into his own hands. Professor Shane (guest star David Alpay) reveals a story of ancient witchcraft to Damon (Ian Somerhalder) and Bonnie (Kat Graham). With help from Klaus and Stefan, Jeremy (Steven R. McQueen) begins a new chapter in his life. Finally, Elena makes a painful personal confession to Stefan, and Matt (Zach Roerig) gives Damon startling new information about Professor Shane.





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Old 11-15-2012, 05:05 PM
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Elena being mad at Stefan makes no sense.

Bonnie needs to tell Damon to go kick rocks with the way he treats her. He talks to her like she's his slave. UGH. Why does she help them??

Katherine, spill the tea. You're flawless.

And Bonnie just zap Damon, ugh.

Caroline is being annoying in this episode.

Stefan, just dump her.
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Stefan I just want to hold him THANKGOD HE BROKE UP WITH HER!!
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My heart broke for Stefan at the end. SOOO glad he broke up with her. Obviously his love isn't enough for her, she doesn't deserve him at all.

DE is one of the most contrived ships I've ever seen in my life. How seriously can I take them when they basically attributed her drowning and waking up as a different person as the reason this is happening? Lol I cannot.

And that episode was so melodramatic. Julie Plec should honestly stop writing episodes. This one and 3x22 are the two worst the show has ever done imo. Just a mess.

Good parts of the ep.

Katherine: Do you ever stop crying?
Jeremy: Give me a stake, I'll kill Damon right now.

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My heart broke for Stefan at the end. SOOO glad he broke up with her. Obviously his love isn't enough for her, she doesn't deserve him at all.

DE is one of the most contrived ships I've ever seen in my life. How seriously can I take them when they basically attributed her drowning and waking up as a different person as the reason this is happening? Lol I cannot.

And that episode was so melodramatic. Julie Plec should honestly stop writing episodes. This one and 3x22 are the two worst the show has ever done imo. Just a mess.

Good parts of the ep.

Katherine: Do you ever stop crying?
Jeremy: Give me a stake, I'll kill Damon right now.

Basically all of this.

And I just hate how they keep killing people for their precious Elena. Like it was okay that Chris got killed because it helped Elena. Chris was a friend of Tyler's. He was a friend of Haley's. He wasn't a friend of the Elena pact but sure as hell didn't deserve to die because of it.
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DE is one of the most contrived ships I've ever seen in my life. How seriously can I take them when they basically attributed her drowning and waking up as a different person as the reason this is happening? Lol I cannot.
DE has plenty of faults, but it is no more contrived than SE. The show panders to both ships whenever it feels like it, whether it makes sense for the characters or not. Honestly, it seems ridiculous to me that it took Elena so long to admit she had feelings for Damon in the first place! (and this is coming from someone who ships BOTH ships, depending on the day!) The main thing that I think is dumb about how they are going about this, is that those same feelings she has now were already there at the end of season 3. Sure, so now they are magnified, but so are her feelings for Stefan, aren't they? I don't really get that. I think what it boils down to is that JP wanted Elena to always choose Stefan as a human, and to choose Damon as a vampire..that is her trying to make the triangle equal. Kinda lame, but 1) that is generally what happens with triangles and 2) reinforces the fact that both ships are contrived.

Anyway, I was happy with parts of the episode. I was pleased with the way each of member of the triangle acted:
Stefan - proud of him for having enough self-respect to say "no more" to Elena. Enough is enough.
Elena - happy that she finally quit recoiling from having strong feelings for Damon .. strong enough to rock the "epic love" boat. And happy that she wasn't all blubbery and "poor me" when Stefan said it was over.
Damon - pleased that he did the right thing and took the high road. He didn't take advantage of his influence with her.

So if they are going to "go there" with DE, I wonder how long it will actually last? I can't picture it lasting long, honestly. I think there is a good chance of a SE reunion before the end of the season.
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Sure, so now they are magnified, but so are her feelings for Stefan, aren't they? I don't really get that.
I would love if they could explain that on the show because maybe there's a reasoning for that. Maybe it's more intensified for Damon because she hasn't been able to really explore and fully act those feelings like she has w/ Stefan. Maybe it's because she can relate to him more now. Who knows, the show hasn't said but they could either be doing that on purpose to bring it up at a later date or it's a plothole. I guess we'll see.

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Oh my god yes like even the way JP talks about the triangle and how she makes one ship get something, then another ship gets a step back then another ship goes forward while the other one goes back is super contrived. The whole triangle is contrived - I'm just learning to go w/ it - kind of like w/ Glee and the way they rush SLs and relationships.
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Thank the lawd Stefan ended that horrible cycle. He deserves better than Elena. So much better. I hope the writers will actually give him a chance for a new, decent love interest.

And Bonnie continues to get shat on by this show. And, what was up with Caroline tonight?
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I would love if they could explain that on the show because maybe there's a reasoning for that. Maybe it's more intensified for Damon because she hasn't been able to really explore and fully act those feelings like she has w/ Stefan. Maybe it's because she can relate to him more now. Who knows, the show hasn't said but they could either be doing that on purpose to bring it up at a later date or it's a plothole. I guess we'll see.
Yeah, I was wondering whether it had something to do with her feelings for Damon having been repressed for so long, she is now about ready to explode! That'll teach ya for denying feelings! Or, yes...plothole! I could see either one...


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Oh my god yes like even the way JP talks about the triangle and how she makes one ship get something, then another ship gets a step back then another ship goes forward while the other one goes back is super contrived. The whole triangle is contrived - I'm just learning to go w/ it - kind of like w/ Glee and the way they rush SLs and relationships.
Exactly, everytime something is going good for one ship, JP is out there reassuring the other ship that good things are around the corner for them. Um, so Julie, what you are really saying is that we are playing relationship ping pong and if we just wait a little bit the ball will come back to our court? How is ANY of that like a real relationship?! She is always going to be trying to keep both ships happy, giving little tidbits to both sides, and that will always make the ships seem contrived and cyclical. It is only a matter of time before DE are on the outs again. If SE get back together, it is only a matter of time before Elena's very special feelings for Damon start causing problems...and around and around we go!!

Collide - I really just don't think that will happen. Stefan will be making pained expressions and looking all sad and such with maybe some little tender moments between E and him, and then the ball will be back in SE's court and Damon will be the one looking pained. That is this show. Pretty pathetic, really, but I don't think Damon OR Stefan will ever be given a "real chance" with anyone else.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:01 PM
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I liked this ep. a lot more than others this season. Stuff actually happened.

Tyler/Caroline - all they do is either fight or have sex

Caroline has no story and it sucks.

Bonnie continues to be pointless to me.

Triangle - Good for Stefan for walking away. I like SE more when they arent being all dramatic and crying all over each other so I liked their calm break up scene. I liked all the DE - but it kinda seems Elena only wants Damon now that she is a vampire. I mean did Julie set up the triangle to be balanced in Human Elena loves Stefan and Vampire Elena wants Damon. Seems like a contrived way to make both sides equal or whatever.

The vampire cure storyline is dumb. Another storyline all about saving Elena. If I were her friends I would get sick of everyday being about her. I know she is the main character but really... this storyline is doing nothing for her.
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It is only a matter of time before DE are on the outs again. If SE get back together, it is only a matter of time before Elena's very special feelings for Damon start causing problems...and around and around we go!!
The endless cycle of TVD triangle that will drive all the shippers crazy by the time the show ends! Sounds about right

Haven't been able to watch the first 30 mins yet hence why I can't really comment on most of the other characters but how was the rest of the episode?

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The thing is that she admitted she had feelings for him before she became a vampire and now that she is a vampire, they're magnified so it would seem like she was suppressing them but now that they're magnified they're hard to suppress. It's not like the feelings weren't there, they probably either just weren't as strong as her feelings for Stefan or if they were, she was w/ Stefan and loves Stefan didn't want to ruin that for something unknown and unpredictable when she was already in a relationship.
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Collide - I really just don't think that will happen. Stefan will be making pained expressions and looking all sad and such with maybe some little tender moments between E and him, and then the ball will be back in SE's court and Damon will be the one looking pained. That is this show. Pretty pathetic, really, but I don't think Damon OR Stefan will ever be given a "real chance" with anyone else.
I fear you're right. Stefan should not be stuck in triangle hell. Or when Damon finally has a chance to be with Elena, he won't want her under these circumstances because she just broke up with Stefan. *sighs* And Elena will run back to Stefan.
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Haven't been able to watch the first 30 mins yet hence why I can't really comment on most of the other characters but how was the rest of the episode?
I thought the hallucination stuff was quite well done. They came down pretty hard on Elena. In some cases (all the "you are nothing but a monster" stuff) it was untrue, but in other cases, I felt like the hallucinations were channelling some of the complaints fans have about Elena! So that was a bit funny. I wonder if it was the writers acknowledging that they are aware of Elena's faults.

I'm not a fan of Caroline/Tyler, so I don't have much to say about them, except that I think Hayley is going to make some sort of move on Tyler at some point, and while C/K date will be a fake, I think it is going to start encouraging a feeling or two on Caroline's side that she would rather not encourage. All spell bad things, at least in the short term, for TC.

Not sure where they are going with the Jeremy-hunter bit. Is he going to start having a desire to hunt all vampires now, or is he still completely himself? And Bonnie was a side-note as always. I wonder how KG feels about this?

So, in general it was a pretty decent episode I thought. Elena-centric.

Collide - yeah, it is big mess. Neither Damon or Stefan deserve to be jerked around. But they are suckers for the pain, apparently. Stefan won't go far.
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I fear you're right. Stefan should not be stuck in triangle hell. Or when Damon finally has a chance to be with Elena, he won't want her under these circumstances because she just broke up with Stefan. *sighs* And Elena will run back to Stefan.
Never ending never ending - the usual. I'm quite resigned to it. There are so many other characters I would like to see Stefan with (Bonnie and Katherine namely) but I don't think the show will ever actually go there. Same reason why the show only gives Damon people to sleep w/ but nothing ever really serious - it's because the triangle needs to stay intact. The guys aren't ever able to truly date anyone else and neither Elena.

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It looks like the professor guy is manipulating her though, right? Like Matt was talking about how the pastor was making calls to the professor guy and maybe whatever he knows is what made him blow everyone up as step 1 in whatever plan is going on? So confusing, thank god my download finally finished I'll be able to talk about this better in a few.

Oh hey hey that reminds me, seat and drink still saved for ghost!Alaric!
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