That's how Beremy started. No repeats, thank you.;)

I realize my pointing out this will be probably useless, as the same thing has been repeated by others ad nauseam, without the point getting understood.

Most of the fans that are disgusted with the flipping coin scene -like me-understand that the Salvatores had no choice, and frankly, that doesnt make one hint of difference to them.

If they came to that choice showing some sort of respect or regret for the life they were planning to take, or even showed it matteredand it weighted a little on their minds afterwards, itheir gesture could have made them to look like a little less like psychopaths.
Hell, they were planning to kill either Bonnie or Abby and their one concern was like Elena would feel about itIt's not normal or admirable behavior for me.

Morality matters, even when characters chose ti disregard it, and personally I am not interested in agansting over characters that only care about whatever-lady-love of the moment and are ready to blindly stomp on everyone else in her name. I don't find it romantic, I find appalling.

Some can claim that we all should take to mind they chose to turn Abby and not Bonnie,and take it to testament about how much the Salvatores care... but so far, I saw nothing that could have indicated to that, so I feel fully entitled to my disgust, thank you.

If the show actually gives any indication of that the situation is less monstruous than it looked, which i doubt, i can backtrack on my position but i am certainly not expecting anything.

I have never really hated Elena. All though i do have to question how she can be so Naive at times. Especially with all that she has been through and witnessed. She talks and wants others help and opinions. But then, Elena just goes off and does what she thinks is right anyways. So i can see how that makes people annoyed with her. I guess i just can get to that point though b/c no many how many times i think Elena has been stupid for trusting someome or putting herself at risk... I guess i respect her because she feels like its the right thing to do so even without others backing her she does it anyway. Its sort of along the lines of why i grew to respect Bonnie. She may have came off as self righteous at time early season 1 to me but no matter what she was acting in what she believed to be the right thing to do and with in her beliefs and those of her Grandmas. A lot of times she was acting in the best interest of the whole town. Same as how Elena was acting in what she believed to be the best manner to save people she considered friends and family.


:lol: So true. However, I really thought that i would hate Bonnie/Jeremy but i ended up loving them. I think it was because Jeremy used to have this very innocent quality about him. He saw the bright side and the good in everyone and everything. Al la Vicki, Vamp Anna, Bonnie being a witch. You had to respect someone that really never judges anyone. I was joking about the Matt/Bonnie but now i have to wonder if maybe i would like it. ;)

If they kill off the Originals will that be the end of all vampires? When Esther was explaining the ritual she said something like, it will turn them back to the way they were before being turned, they will be human--then she would kill them. With them being link they would all go. I also wonder how this would effect all the other vampires in the world. Would they all fall out dead, or become human again? I would defiantly be an interesting SL, but in things would just kind of end, and that would suck. Bonnie would still be a witch though.... Her poor character has had to suffer a lot, and now she doesn't even get that much screen time. I was hoping for an Original vs. Witch show down, or at least have some words exchanged. Someone had to die, so it's got to be someone related to Bonnie. I'm surprise they haven't killed her father yet, they would have to make him appear first.

I was rewatching some of season one yesterday and i was thinking that. Bonnie was talking to Grams about how her dad didn't like her hanging out with Grams to much... Then my thought was in 3 season have we even ever met Bonnie's dad? We haven't. We have met everyones parents at one except for hers until said abandon your daughter mother came to be.

I know Bonnie always seems to be alone in everything. They need to bring him around soon.

I still want that Kol/Nat thread... I hope he comes back. When Klaus said, "Kol's fled!" WTF!

My reaction: http://i42.tinypic.com/34g3jte.jpg

I see what you mean, but I really didn't interpret it that way. I saw it as them being themselves. We know that both have a huge guard up. Obviously their humanity isn't 100% there and they keep it that way in order to shield themselves from the pain and anguish. The way I see it is that they purposely blocked themselves from feeling anything at that moment, just as they do when they are about to kill someone. They knew what they had to do and treated it as a "matter-of-fact." I think that otherwise, they wouldn't have been able to go through with it.

i agree with what your are saying here. That was how i saw it too. It the really had no regard for her life at all they wouldn't have tried Plan A first. They would have just went straight for the kill IMO. I thought the coin toss and the nonchalant way they did it was just a deflection for what they both new that had to do. I still think later its possible that Stefan will try to apologize to Bonnie.. Maybe. Who knows with him anymore. Damon, well Damon will just pretend it didn't bother him. He will probably not have any regret because he did it to save Elena's life. We know that Damon will justify doing anything for love, a la Katherine. To him the choice was clear Abby or Elena. Although i do wonder if it will eat Damon up more than we see at first because he is feeling now and has let his humanity sink back it.

Poor martyr Elana. Could someone change the channel already?

Damon, stay bad. For the love of all thats holy, you really are better at being the bad guy.

Stefan, didn't hate you as much as I usualy do. Lets have more of that.

Caroline, you were simi filler....but still cute.

Bonnie....you were willing to die to stop the bad guys and they were willing to let you. But poor Elana gets threatend and they kill your mom. You gotta find new friends.

Abby.....your character doesn't matter. Even with fangs.

Jeremy come back.

Aleric, I knew she was crazy! Dude, if she dies then thats 0-3 when it comes to you and girls. Might want to start fishing off the other side of the pear.




): )

:lol: If I were Bonnie I'd just take out every vampire who crossed my path, regardless of whether Elena was in love with them at that moment. Apart from Caroline. Caroline can stay.

I don't know why everyone is getting so worked up about the coin flipping thing. Last time I checked, they were vampires and NOT humans! I do however, feel that Bonnie is always being used for something she's very much unwilling to do. I was highly disappointed with the last episode because there wasn't any romance but more like bromance which isn't a bad thing but it felt like the show could have been more captivating for a month's wait on the next episode.

Decent episode...

Elena calling Damon after Stefan was annoying but I like that at least Damon picked up. I love how jealous she seemed of Damon/Rebekah too.

Elijah putting Elena in danger annoys me though and makes me not like that "friendship" anymore.

Kol calling Caroline tasty and Klaus fawning over her was great.

Bonnie essentially chose her abandonee mom over Elena was annoying. And even more annoying was Bonnie not wanting to see Elena. They have such a crappy friendship.

SD were cute. Damon taking the fall for Stefan was freaking adorable. And he knows that SE have unfinished business and wants to be chosen because its a fair fight, not because Stefan is a ripper and out of the picture...

"I'm better being the bad guy anyway."

:bawl: