Well holy hell, I honestly cant see how they cant have Bonnie get her Willow on and get some revenge on Damon/Stefan or stick around Mystic Falls after her mother and her grandmother die because of those two and Elena. They should atleast let her take away their freedom to walk in the sun. And why didnt the witches protect Bonnie and her mother?
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Yeah it is life for a life, but unfortunately the world is harsh like that. I never said Bonnie shouldn't be pissed or angry about it, Bonnie should be and she has every right to. And if she attacks Damon and Stefan or never speaks to Elena again, then all rights to her, I wouldn't say anything against that. She could go level the whole town and kill all the vampire and she would have every right to do so. But what else was Damon and Stefan to do? Let Elena die? They had exhausted all their other alternative plans and turning Abby was their last resort. It's not like they were jumping at the chance to, they weren't happy about this either. But this is a war they're fighting, no one was gonna come out of this smelling like roses, there was always gonna be sacrifices and collateral damage. Abby unfortunately was the collateral damage this time around in trying to keep Elena alive. Abby Bennett is not the first nor will she hardly be the last to suffer/die for Elena to live. It's unfortunate and it's sad, but I would not expect the Salvatores to do any different. Elena is their priority, everyone else is expendable, that was always made very clear from the beginning. |
the only good think about last few episodes was Claroline! I need more of them badly! But i have to wait whole month! Its not fair! Do you agree?
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You know what? They can make one episode each months so that we can get use to all this pauses. I am sooo angry!
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Wonderful episode. I love the Original Family especially Klaus and Rebekah. I do wonder though if they are still bound together.
As I said in a previous thread, Damon needs to wash his hands of Elena and move on. Stop obsessing like he did with Katherine. Loved the brother/sister scenes between Elijah & Rebekah and later at the end between Klaus and Rebekah. The siblings forging Klaus I can buy. Maybe the forgivness was too quick but I can see it. |
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And Bonnie's mom was not around that much, but your mother is STILL your mother. A good one, a bad one, an absent one. That is still your mother. |
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Sure what Damon/Stefan did wasn't right but it wasn't has if they jumped at the chance to kill her. That exhausted their other options. It was a last result. Elena or a bennet? I can't blame Damon, I can't Blame Stefan, Im not gonna blame Elena or even Bonnie. I stand bye that both Elena and Bonnie are in this mess because of ancestors. A Bennet witch helped Ester with the spell to create her children into Vamps the original Doppelgangers blood was used in that spell. So yea Bonnie and Elena are in a big Mess. They have both lost a lot because of it. Grams, Mom, Aunt JEnna, Uncle John. Both girls have known pain and frustration at not really having a choice in some matters but being stuck in the middle because some thousand years ago some relative did something stupid. |
I've been reading back and I just want to remind everyone to watch their tone - whether it's overtly sarcastic or when defending a character, just remember that there are other posters here that won't share your views but it's important to be respectful. And if you have a problem w/ a poster's post please PM a mod and we will take care of it.
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I will try and watch my post too. Sorry. :hug: Sometimes in a haste to reply back when you were annoyed you don't think as you should. |
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I cheered so much for Esther when she gave that speech to her sons, although it rubs me the wrong way how the writers went with this whole channeling of the witches power. Why couldn´t Bonnie and Abby do it and she gave the instructions. Nevertheless she was on point with everything and I don´t give a dmn about Elijah realising afterwards that she was right and that he made a mistake. He was throughout the episode a better villain than Klaus but that letter to Elena ... please show stop with this nonsense. She only shows compassion when it comes to the small group of loved ones she has and most of them are guys who abused her or her friends in the past. So stop with this Elena is not a good person. She is very selfcentered and hypocritical and if the show would stood up to this flaws then I probably could like her more. The Salvatores are the most horrible persons I have ever seen on screen and the worst of this is that they are the protagonists of this show. They are in no way selfless ... almost everyone on the showi is selfish with Bonnie being on of the only ones who thinks about the other people outside of the Scooby Gang. I wasn´t surprised that the Salvatores would choose Elena over Bonnie because duh, I did watch three seasons of this hot mess, What surprised me and outraged me was the disrespect not only these two characters but also the writers (because they produced this horrible script) showed Bonnie and her mother. They flipped a coin to who is gonna do the "hard work". They never even considered what it would meant for Bonnie or for Abby, they would die the only thing they could think about was that Elena might hate them after this. If these are examples for caring or loving vampires on this show then I´m glad the witches hate them and I really wish that Esther and the Bennetts will find a way to erase this whole population of vampires from the planet (that will never happen). And if the writers thought after this I could root for one of these two again ... then they are so stupid I can´t even describe. Like I said earlier I want Bonnie to go against them and I don´t care what happens in the fandom because she has every right to light them on fire and dance on their remaining ashes. And finally just a little observation: Two episodes ago I had to sit through at least 10-15 minutes of torture!Bill and Caroline scenes with them describing all the stages of the transition BUT this week when it comes to Bonnie I don´t even get one minute between mother and daughter. I don´t know how Bonnie reacted when she found Abby lying on the floor in that house. Where the Salvatores still there? How did she get her mother out of this house? When did she call Caroline? How reacted Abby after she woke up and realised that she could become a vampire something a witch hates the most? And why did this have to play out in the Forbes house ... why couldn´t we get something in the Bennett house? Caroline could have stayed there. I won´t get answers for this questions because I saw the promo for next episode and they will probably not involve Bonnie in this. So thank you writers /sarcasm As much as I loved Caroline for what she said to Elena because it was on point again, I wanted a reaction from Bonnie it didn´t even have to be her speaking with Elena they could have looked at each other seperated through the window or Caroline. But the writers don´t give me this, because they hate me. I have to accept this. I can´t hate on Elena because everyone in this bar screws up most of the time, but I side-eye her for at least three things this episode: 1. Questioning Bonnie and her work with Esther - she is a witch she knows what has to be done. You are in no position to ask about her motives or how she works with anybody who is not you. 2. Mentioning that Elijah found a way to keep her alive in front of Bonnie is disrespectful. I know nobody cares for John anymore ... but he and Bonnie kept her alive and I didn´t see a thank you from her when it comes to Bonnie. So Elijah may have brought the magic elixir with him but it was made by witches and for Katherine and in the end he betrayed them so she doesn´t have to care about him anymore. 3. Telling Elijah the truth. Such a dumb decision because it brought this whole disaster on the Bennett witches. I want all of the Originals dead and I don´t care about solution 1000th to kill Klaus I want them dead because of magic and not this stupid tree which the writers conveniently produce out of thin air. Finn is probably the only one of that family that could stay and he is also the moral one not like everyone claimed Elijah. I´m looking forward to the new development between Elena and Bonnie and I hope this gets much screentime. That Meredith/Alaric reveal was so lame I can´t even that the writers decided to make this a cliffhanger. We all know that Alaric doesn´t die (although he should because he is useless). Oh and that scene with the Salvatores bragging about their love for Elena and even after what we saw they have done never even saying one word about Bonnie #fail kill them with fire or like a good witch would say "Incendia" |
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And I believe they acted according to a plan, so they went in there each knowing what the other was to do. Bonnie was downstairs and Abby was upstairs, both standing where they were as they heard "noises". It was the usual Salvatore tag-team job from what I could see, where they divide the targets between them. Stefan was to be downstairs, distracting Bonnie (when she tries to move upstairs to go to Abby, he blocks her) while Damon turned Abby. Even Stefan's converstaion with Bonnie suggests he knew of the plan. He told her they had to stop Esther, Bonnie says it is impossible as she is channeling them -which they know. She then thinks Stefan is going to kill them and so tells him that won't work either as Esther will continue to channel them (as she can channel dead witches too). Which is when Stefan tells her he knows that too, which is why THAT isn't the plan, to plan is to break the Bennett line in which one "witch" is destroyed and although withces remain witches in death, they don't remain witches once turned. That is why Damon is upstairs turning Abby. It is all information Salvatores already knew. I am certain they went in there knowing what they had to do. The fact he is talking to her at all suggests to me it was just for distraction purposes. As she can easily mind-whammy him once she realizes he is about to attack her so if he was there to attack her at all, I think he'd go for the "surprise" factor like Damon did. I really think the Salvatores found themselves in an impossible situation. They tried to kill the villains, but it didn't work. Then it was a choice between Elena and Bonnie's mom. No matter who they chose -regardless of their own personal preferences- a human WAS going to die that day and not because THEY wished it to or caused it to happen. It is sad and not Ok that Abby died, no, but I think it would be equally sad and not OK that Elena died. Yes her decisions and action in the last two episodes certianly has a hand in why things led to that point but I don't think it means she deserved to die (and one could say Bennetts knew the risks when they agreed to help and be involved). I think making a choice that Elena should have died is quite similar to making a decision on who was to live or die like Salvatores did, only the "preferences" are different so the choice is different. I don't expect people who have decided to kill/turn someone talk about their victims' feelings. I don't think the two necessarily go together. I don't think Bonnie dwelled that much about the pain and suffering Mason is going to go through and what Tyler will feel when she aided the Salvatores in Mason's capture so he could be tortured and killed for being in league with Katherine and being a threat to Elena. They all have had to make hard choices and one of the ways you get things like that done is you try not to think too much on the victim. I think it makes sense. Doesn't mean they didn't know it was a horrible thing to do and a heavy burden thing carry. That was the whole point of the "coin toss" as they were all "no reason why we should both be responsible for this". That was the whole point of Damon deciding to do it in Stefan's stead despite winning the coin toss -he didn't want to add to Stefan's guilt. For this was a bad thing to do. It's not like they are not aware of that and are rather having a blast killing Abby and gleefully tossing a coin to decide who gets to have the honor of doing it. Both Damon and Stefan seemed to hate the situation they were in but this is the hand they were dealt and had to make the best off. Btw, I just love that Damon knew Stefan was off human blood and "testing" him about it to make sure. I think they SHOULD know one another that well... |
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I hope we get an answer as to why the witches didnt protect Bonnie/Abby. That was their whole reason coming into the house.
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