Oh no. I don't ship her with either of them:lol: yes their scenes are funny though.

Can we NOT have this be a Damon hate thread? I know most of you are SE'ers, but seriously, 80% of what is being discussed is how much you dislike Damon and it is really exhausting.

I have a question: didn't we find out earlier that Elijah was OK with Elena dying as long as he could kill Klaus? So why should Elena trust him now? I mean, what has changed? I love Elijah, and I loved all the E/E scenes, but I'm not ready to jump on the Elijah-is-a-softy bandwagon.:look:

Not doing into that, just saying opinions. I just think Damon needs to mature up if he ever wants Elena in a love interest way. He should just try to more on and accept that Stefan and Elena love each other. Damon also need to take responsibility for some of his actions. Just what I think.


Elijah-is-a-softy bandwagon.:lmao: I agree with that.:lol: although I loved Elijah since his 2x08....so yeah.:look:

This. :nod:

Damon/Andie: I'm glad Damon controlled himself and didn't give into his vampire instincts. (And there was no Elena there telling him what to do)

Didn't he tell Elena there was another way they could kill Klaus:shrug:

I don't think the Damon comments are different from comments made about other characters during other episode weeks just more so stating opinions (and every episode a different character seems to be in that position). But I, as well as Gay and Kem will be watching out for bashing for Damon and other characters as well :)

I've loved Elijah since the very start!! But hmm..he could have something up his sleeve. We'll have to see. He seems like the type to keep his word though so I dont know.

Aww darn to not being able to have a Katherine/Elijah thread yet :pout: But hopefully we'll get some present day scenes of them next ep!! :love:

We can't discuss Damon's actions now? Nobody is saying particularly incendiary things.

Thank you! and I will try not to go to Damon bashing, Which I don't see myself doing since I don't hate Damon, I just don't understand him at time. Hold on let me refresh that. I understood that Damon just loved Elena and wants her safe in tonight's episode but it's just some stuff with his character it's hard for me to get behind and support. I don't see how he'll even win Elena's affection if he keeps going in this direction. He was closer to winning Elena's heart in Season 1 then he has this season.:nod: I just don't like him taking his anger out on others. It's no surprise but he won't win Elena's love over like that.

Just my opinion, nothing bashing about it.
I think some stuff that has probably been said about Bonnie or Stefan in the past was probably worst then what I just posted.:lol:

I guess the real curse is brothers shall always fight over Petrova girls? Someone should break that one first. Elijah and Klaus being brothers and being at odds due to Katherine is too much. I wish they knew when to stop doing parallels. And romantic Katherine just makes me roll my eyes.

Wanted more from the curse so hearing it is not about sun and moon is Ok. Klaus being half-breed not so much. So Klaus is the üver-vamp with the werewolf genes who wants domination over the world and also has the "crazy" bit down of every villain there ever was who wanted to have world domination? Okkkayyy then...

I love how Damon was being smart again and knew to check Alaric's apartment and free Katherine -when even she thought it was hopeless. It will be interesting to see her run off. She does owe you one Damon though don't think she is trustworthy, dear...

Guess Stefan made Damon payback for the burn last episode this episode. He sure knows where to hit him and the previous conversation where Elena told him to not let Damon make anything stupid (which was really her telling him to make sure Damon didn't do anything to rescue her from Elijah) probably led to his "I have her respect" remark. The funny thing is, I seriously expected him to say "I have her love" or simply "I have her". But when he says "I have her respect" it really sounds more like a contest he is in with his brother than being about a fight for Elena. I think it was a remark about suggesting he is "superior" as opposed to really being about Elena, you know, which was interesting...

Andie is creeping me out and I don't think it is normal that she is so "disobedient" when not compelled. Why would she want to be with some guy who is feeding on her out of her own will and so not leave when he tells her to unless she is not compelled to do so? It was also creepy when she told Stefan off (especially her voice), which seemed to surprise even Damon. And she also said "you need to know someone loves you". I am glad Damon did actually "make" her go (given she just wouldn't leave unless compelled). He doesn't want to harm her and he seems to be getting better at the "not killing" part. The scene was sad and disturbing though. First he tells her to go. Then he finds her upstairs as she had refused to go and tells her to go again, telling he was upset and she knows bad things happen when that is the case and she still refused to go and then he lost it. I'm glad he got a hold of himself though and was so sad for what he has done and compelled her to go. He doesn't mean to harm her and despite all his anger at the time and emotions running high he showed much more control this time around...

Interesting Stefan (and I guess Elena) knew about Andie all along but don't really do or say anything about it. Even more interesting no one came rushing to her screams in the end.

Elena may trust Elijah (and initially she didn't too and hid Bonnie from him so why would Salvatores trust him who lack all the info she has?) but I think the least she could do was talk it out with the Salvatores before inviting the guy into the one place they are all safe from him. It is their home. I am not really liking how she showed up after being missing for a whole day, having already made a deal with Elijah and invited the guy into their home and demanded they apologize to him.
I am not surprised Damon didn't "apologize" just because they showed up and demanded it. All they did when they killed Elijah was take out a guy who they knew to be setting up Elena's death, I don't see why they have to apologize for that. He is the one who was acting like he meant Elena to die. It is what even his own allies were thinking. But then, I don't think Elijah really took offense at Damon's refusal to apologize and it will be interesting to see their interactions next episode. It is also interesting how quick Stefan gave an apology on his part. He does respond to authority and do as was demanded of him while Damon refused- I was reminded of him and his father.

I'm actually glad Damon backed down twice from getting into a physical fight with Stefan and only lost his cool when Stefan antagonized him further. I think part of it all had to do with them both being worried about Elena and getting frustrated over her disappearance with Elijah that day and taking it out on one another. On the other hand, can Elena really not tell them anything more than "I need to go to Elijah"? They have been risking so much for her, and are so worried so maybe a bit more of an info to show why she trusts him and will be fine may have worked better? If they don't agree, just do your own thing anyway... Still, I'd rather see Damon back down when he and Elena exchange words and argue over Elena's decision as opposed to Stefan stepping in for his girlfriend immediately. It is also kind of weird how OK Stefan is with Elena doing whatever she wants and being off somewhere with Elijah telling them nothing, given how protective he used to be too. They are sooo setting Damon up to do something reckless and stupid in order to protect Elena, btw...

Funny that last episode Damon said "I will always choose you" and now Stefan is saying "I will always protect Elena"...


So, Klaus in Alaric's body is a mere human that Stefan can take out with 2-3 kicks (btw, I know you were on a bad mood this episode Stefan but that is Alaric's body. Easy with it. Stop kicking the man when he is already down!) but just some spell was able to make him so powerful as to withstand Bonnie's 100-witches-power-of-supernatural-Klaus-killing and result in her death trying? Somehow doesn't make sense to me.

Is there a rule we can not have just one moving Elena scene with a loved one without Stefan somehow being involved in it? If it is not exchange of "I love you"s over a traumatized Caroline's shoulder, it is him leaning by the hallway all tortured looking as he listens in on Elena and Jenna. I just wish they would let such scenes be all about Elena and Caroline/Jenna etc without any "3rd parties" involved somehow.

How did Elijah get Carol of vervain exactly? With Katherine it made sense. She was posing as Elena and talked her out of it but Elijah could not compel Carol not to drink it so he would need to talk her out of it too. What did he say? It made her fat?

Of course, discuss away..just seems like most of the comments revolve around how amazing Stefan is (he is pretty darn sweet :blush:) and how annoying/bad/heartless/disrespectful/etc. Damon is. Just sounds like a bunch of pissed off SE'ers. *shrugs*

For instance, though Damon DID act childishly tonight, I think Stefan egged him on, on purpose...he was being childish and smug too.

BrathanSupporter - Yeah I know, even as a Damon fan, and a DE'er I am often totally disappointed and flabbergasted by Damon's actions. But I guess when I see his instant remorse for biting and rag-dolling Andie I feel like he has made progress and it is a step in the right direction.

I've loved Elijah from the very start too...I think it must be a combination of Daniel's acting and the way his character has been written. He seems really layered. So I love him, I just don't trust him.

EDIT - Schumiac - Really? I didn't find it hard to believe that Katherine may have been a romantic at one time in her life. She had already been a vampire for a long time by the time Damon and Stefan came into her life(she'd had a lot of time to lose her humanity). And she was human, and a young girl. I think most human young girls would have romantic ideals, you know? Though I do find her weird accent to be annoying. Is she bulgarian or isn't she?!!

About Elijah and Carol "What did he say? It made her fat?" :lol: That must be it!

There's too many commercials!!! Lol

I was expecting him to say one of those things too. It would have been more romantic in that case. Maybe I have been watching too much Mad Men lately, but it reminded me of the 50's- 60's era when respect was priority #1 for a man. How the wife has to respect the husband's wishes, or the children have to respect their father, etc. "Her respect" was an odd choice to retort with IMO. :shrug:

I think it is because I've seen how she used Trevor's feelings for her against him and all that before that I kind of had this vision of her as somewhat being similar to her vampire self even as a human.

Btw, I would have preferred it if they made Klaus and Elijah both Petrovas and the original Petrova being a sister that was sacrificed to make the curse to Klaus stick and make that be the reason Elijah has more of a soft spot (Klaus is half-sibling to them so he wouldn't "really" be Petrova but from some other family and may not have as much attachment to the line as Elijah did) for Katherine and Elena but no, they had to make him be in love with Katherine and probably the original Petrova that Katherine reminded him of. That may have added me to my dislike and disbelief of that scene.


What they are doing is stall things forever as I don't think they want Elena going from one brother to another all the time BUT in their efforts to stall the thing, they are hurting the characters involved, not letting them really grow.

I think he said her respect because right now they're fighting over ways to save Elena. Stefan is allowing her to have a voice and make her own decisions, and basically agreeing to disagree with her, because he respects her enough to do so, while Damon does not. he literally tried to force her to do things she didn't want to do. You don't have to love someone to respect them. if Elena doesn't care what Damon has to say because she doesn't respect him, his efforts are invalid.