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Old 06-09-2017, 10:28 AM
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The Originals 4x11: "A Spirit Here That Won't Be Broken" Discussion. Airs June 9th, 8PM EST

The Originals 4x11: A Spirit Here That Won't Be Broken
June 9th@ 8:00pm Eastern
Description: A FAMILY BETRAYAL — When it's discovered that The Hollow is using a magical totem to fuel her power, Freya enlists Rebekah and Klaus' help to locate and destroy it. Elsewhere, an ultimatum by The Hollow puts Kol at odds with his own siblings, while an unexpected run-in forces Marcel and Rebekah to confront the growing tension between them. Finally, The Hollow's plan for Hayley leaves her in the fight of her life.
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Old 06-10-2017, 06:32 AM
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really enjoyed this episode kolvina my bbs

and josh and Davina I'm glad she got to see him wish marcel as well

wished kol was treated more like family


doesn't look like hollow is gone?
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Old 06-10-2017, 12:16 PM
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fascinating episode!
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Old 06-10-2017, 09:58 PM
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Loved seeing Kolvina but it didn't really make sense to me that there was no Marcel/Davina scene.I'm not even a huge Marcel fan but other than Kol, he was the most shaken by the loss of Davina even still to this day he hadn't moved on so there should have been some kind of acknowledgement of that imo.
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Old 06-12-2017, 10:49 PM
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Great episodes. One of the best this season. I love that that Freya is determined not to let Elijah die, and the whole family pulling together to find the hollow totem (with the exception of Kol) .Elijah had been there for them in the past, it nice that they want to be there for him. I didn't like Kol going against the family. I was hoping we will get Kol bonding with his sibling, but it's seem like that's not going to happen anytime soon.

Marcel and Rebecca: He is using her. Last week he was proclaiming his love for Sofya, this week he's making out with Rebecca?! I think he wants something from Rebecca, or need her for something

I love Kol bonding with Hope (although he was using her to break the Hilton's bond to Davina) it was nice to see another side to him. I also doesn't blame Klaus for being upset. Kol basically put Hope life in danger. However I loved how Klaus's heart melts at the mere mention of Camilla's name.

This is the third episodes in which Vincent didn't appear in. As a matter of fact we haven't seen Vincent since Marcel gave him back his grimoire.

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Freya said that in order to bring Elijah back that they must kill the hollow, or someone else. Freya at that time was thinking of sacrificing Marcel. Freya was able to bring Elijah back, so who died? (Note:They didn't kill the Hollow)

When Davina returned did she still have her powers? The hollow was know for killing witches and taking their powers. So when the hollow brought Davina back did she still have her powers?

Josh heal Davina, was that before , or after the hollow was killed?

The hollow is hiding out in Hope's body. Why did she chose Hope instead of Davina? Is Hope more powerful then Davina?
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Old 06-13-2017, 07:09 PM
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I love the chemistry between Marcel and Rebekah but he really doesn't deserve her tbh. Every time it comes down to making a choice, he never chooses Rebekah and I'm so glad she finally called him on it.


I think Hope's supposed to be the most powerful witch there is now.
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Old 06-13-2017, 11:54 PM
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I love the chemistry between Marcel and Rebekah but he really doesn't deserve her tbh. Every time it comes down to making a choice, he never chooses Rebekah and I'm so glad she finally called him on it.
I'm glad she called him out on it too. ..right up until their make out session. I got the feeling that Marcel need her help in order to wake Sofya.


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I think Hope's supposed to be the most powerful witch there is now.
Is Davina still witch ? The hollow let Davina go, but I want to know if she still have her powers? I didn't find it too odd that Davina didn't go see Marcel, nor Vincent. She probably didn't think she had enough time. What I did find odd is that she didn't talk to much about them , nor did she try to call them.



Marcel said that every since the Hollow left Sofya's body that he haven't been able to wake Sofya. Do you think the same thing might happen to Hope?

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Old 06-14-2017, 10:31 AM
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I'm glad she called him out on it too. ..right up until their make out session. I got the feeling that Marcel need her help in order to wake Sofya.
Idk if he's using Rebekah for something, could be, but I definitely don't trust him not to break her heart again.


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Is Davina still witch ? The hollow let Davina go, but I want to know if she still have her powers? I didn't find it too odd that Davina didn't go see Marcel, nor Vincent. She probably didn't think she had enough time. What I didn't find odd is that she didn't talk to much about them , nor did she try to call them.
I believe Davina is still a witch, she said she was too weak to do the spell Hope did, though they weren't all that clear on this.

I understand Kol and Davina were in a rush to leave but my thing is Davina told Josh she heard everything he said every time he came to visit her which means she heard Marcel as well and knew what her death did to him, for God's sake the man started a war over her death and yet not even a mention of him? It was just weird to me


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Marcel said that every since the Hollow left Sofya's body that he haven't been able to wake Sofya. Do you think the same thing might happen to Hope?

Hm, I'm not sure. Hope is a powerful witch whereas Sofya is a vampire so maybe that makes a difference? The writing has been on the wall for Hope being possessed all season though so I kinda figured that's where they were going with it.
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Old 06-14-2017, 06:14 PM
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Idk if he's using Rebekah for something, could be, but I definitely don't trust him not to break her heart again.
I wish they would write Rebecca better. I'm sick of her falling for Marcel only to have her heart broken again. I believe Rebecca 's rekindled relationship with Marcel will end in heartbreak, especially considering how he proclaimed his love for Sofya,and risk his life for her prior to him kissing Rebecca. I find it a little suspicious that Marcel is suddenly interested in Rebecca after Vincent never showed up to wake Sofya. I for once I would like for Rebecca to have a new love interest ,and have Marcel to be jealous of her for once.

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I believe Davina is still a witch, she said she was too weak to do the spell Hope did, though they weren't all that clear on this.
I was wondering because I found it odd that the hollow allowed Davina to keep her powers, when it been stated that the hollow crave power. Plus I want to know when did Josh heal Davina with vampire blood? Did he heal Davina before she was killed by the Hollow? Because if so she could be a vampire.

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I understand Kol and Davina were in a rush to leave but my thing is Davina told Josh she heard everything he said every time he came to visit her which means she heard Marcel as well and knew what her death did to him, for God's sake the man started a war over her death and yet not even a mention of him? It was just weird to me
I'm more surprised that she didn't mention Marcel,and I do not recall her mentioning Vincent either. Hmm? I hope we will get a answered to this. Do you know whether, or not Kol and Davina left town?
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I wish they would write Rebecca better. I'm sick of her falling for Marcel only to have her heart broken again. I believe Rebecca 's rekindled relationship with Marcel will end in heartbreak, especially considering how he proclaimed his love for Sofya,and risk his life for her prior to him kissing Rebecca. I find it a little suspicious that Marcel is suddenly interested in Rebecca after Vincent never showed up to wake Sofya. I for once I would like for Rebecca to have a new love interest ,and have Marcel to be jealous of her for once.
I agree. I wonder if the reason the writing isn't better for Rebekah is because she never sticks around very long. I agree though, I hate how weak they always make Rebekah when it comes to Marcel and wish they'd have her move on. I feel like if they have her reunite with Marcel one day, he needs to really work to get her back.

I actually really liked Rebekah and Matt but I think that ship has sailed



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I was wondering because I found it odd that the hollow allowed Davina to keep her powers, when it been stated that the hollow crave power. Plus I want to know when did Josh heal Davina with vampire blood? Did he heal Davina before she was killed by the Hollow? Because if so she could be a vampire.
It didn't actually show Davina die so I'm guessing she was healed in time but I would laugh so hard if she became a vampire


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I'm more surprised that she didn't mention Marcel,and I do not recall her mentioning Vincent either. Hmm? I hope we will get a answered to this. Do you know whether, or not Kol and Davina left town?
That's what I mean, the fact that there was no mention of Marcel at all, or Vincent for that matter is just beyond bizarre to me.

They said they were leaving town and it showed then driving off so unless something stops them, then I believe so.
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Old 06-17-2017, 01:29 PM
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Ha ha I liked Rebekah with Matt too. However, I think it was still more of a fling for her, to show that she really would like to live a human life and have a family.

I liked this episode, but some things didn't sit right with me. You all make good points as to why it did not.

However, Rebekah and Marcel did make sense to me, because they have such history, and I'm glad they brought it up again, since they really haven't done it justice. I don't think of Rebekah as sitting home and mooning over Marcel, however, nor does Marcel apparently, since suddenly he's SO "in love" with Sofia. However, they will always carry a torch for one another. It's just the writing has been inconsistent for Marcel, especially considering he's supposed to be a main character.

I like Marcel's interactions with Klaus this season, but there are also plot holes I didn't notice that you all point out. You are right Lady Katherine, why doesn't the Hollow just kill him and take his power? Why did she not take Davina's power? Davina was too weak? I don't remember, I thought Marcel said goodbye to Davina before she left, but you are all saying she didn't mention him, or at least didn't give their relationship its due, which I may have felt as well.

I think what I liked least was that Davina went from being a bad ass to a love sick puppy all over again, which is what I never liked about Kolvina. Don't get me wrong: I'm so glad they brought her back to life and that they got a happy ending. It was also a clever solution, because they don't want to add her back to the cast, nor Kol, for some reason. I'm also glad she's back to being herself, whereas last week (?) she was acting like the ancestors, manipulating everyone. However, it doesn't make sense why she suddenly doesn't seem to care that The Hollow could destroy the city, as long as she gets to be with her boyfriend. It would sit better if she just needed a holiday, but I don't know if it's just that.

I did love Hayley's seeing "Jackson" again, and that she is wrestling with her feelings for him and for Elijah and how she wants to raise Hope. Good to see Freya in action too. Kol interacting with Hope was very interesting, and of course I love any mention of Cami and its effect on Klaus. I wish she'd made another appearance as Davina has.
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I like Marcel's interactions with Klaus this season, but there are also plot holes I didn't notice that you all point out. You are right Lady Katherine, why doesn't the Hollow just kill him and take his power? Why did she not take Davina's power? Davina was too weak? I don't remember, I thought Marcel said goodbye to Davina before she left, but you are all saying she didn't mention him, or at least didn't give their relationship its due, which I may have felt as well.
I thought it was weird that earlier this season the Hollow followers was after Marcel, and yet the hollow had came into contact with Marcel 3 times and left him alive? Did Marcel make a deal with the hollow? What about Davins? We found out the hollow kills witches and take their power, so why wouldn't she had taken Davina's power.
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