[sweet_zelda]

So, there are SE shippers and DE shippers and DB shippers and SC shippers ...
And I'm pretty sure we all have our logical reasons as to why we ship who, but we hardly ever discuss those reasons (well, mostly because we stick to our respective threads ).
So, here we can all discuss why we prefer which couple on the TV Show.

A few rules, so this won't turn into a bash/hate fest:

• No name calling under any circumstances.
• No personal comments (e.g. "How could you...?" or "You're stupid.").
• No bashing the actors.
• Stay nice.

So, why do you ship DE or SE?

[Stay to the Lights]

Thanks for starting Lynn!


Lynn and i were discussing this idea and have thought it would be good to have somewhere that we all can discuss.

[MissDK]

Good idea Lynn. Though I try to stay away from discussing with "rival" shippers because I tend to get over "protective" of my ship
It's silly, but I ship way too hardcore
But as always, I will be nice

Anyways... I am a Damon/Elena shipper.
When I first bought the books I had a very neutral view of all characters and ships becaue I wanted my opinion not to be colored by anything.
When I started reading the books, SE was all right for me. I was not hooked, but I wasnt annoyed either. When Damon showed up in the story, I was immediately intrigued. He made me wonder: Who is he? What does he wants? Why is he so mysterious?

Then he showed signs of having feelings for Elena and I thought it was so sweet because he normally has a cold and hard facade. But Elena is the exception.
The relationship between Damon and Elena had a lot of potential to be something amazing, if just Elena would give a little more in to Damon.

On the show I can just see the sparks flying. Damon is a badass, but he really cares for Elena, and she resists him. The relationship between them is bound to have a lot of passion and hidden emotions coming up to the surface and giving in (from Elena).

I dont know how to describe all of it, but it is not the traditional "boy likes girl - girl likes boy- relationship" and it is not obvious, forced, predictable or boring in any way. It will surprise us every now and then, and there will be resistance, a build-up with a lot of tension before giving in to the emotions, feelings and passion that is between them, which will be amazing to see unfold on screen.

Damon has many layers. You cant figure him out immediately. You have to wait and see everything inside him to come up at different times. He is a complex/dark character that makes you terrified but you love him at the same time because he really makes you wonder about a lot of things. And he makes you think about him even when you dont want to.

[sweet_zelda]

Thanks, Lala See, I'm supportive of SE and DB.

I just can't see anything happening with DE, to be honest because even though he might or might not have feelings for her (I have a different view on that), he's still Damon when he's with her. He's still selfish and manipulative and I think one of the reasons he's so infatuated with her is because he sees what she is to Stefan. He sees what the two of them share and I think he wants that. But he doesn't understand that this isn't something that has to do with Elena, it's something to do with finding the right person.
And this is where Bonnie comes in: When he first saved her, it was completely unselfish. He didn't take her blood, he didn't want anything in return, he just wanted to save her. And it's been like that ever since then. She calls and he answers, no matter under what circumstances and he never wants anything in return.
I think that surely Elena is very important to Damon, but I think that he believes he loves her. If he truly did love her, he wouldn't have (book spoilers) made the deal with the malachs to get Stefan out of the way. Sure, he also made sure to get Elena and Bonnie and Meredith out, but it was still a selfish thing to do. Because he knows that Elena won't choose him.
I do think that Damon is a very interesting and complex character and I like that we got more back story on him, but I don't think that he'll find love with Elena, I think that Bonnie is the one for him.

The reasons I support SE are pretty simple: They're natural. It's like things just fall into place for them (just like for DB), they don't even have to think about it. Stefan isn't playing any games with her, in fact, he's so smitten that sometimes I think he's the weaker one in the relationship (in the books). But they'd both go to the end of the world for one another without hesitation or ever asking for anything in return. In the third book, Stefan even mentions that he doesn't care whether Elena hates him or not, he'd stay alive just to make sure she was okay.

They're a bit different on the show, but here for me it's the fact that I don't ship DE. I can see Damon trying make Stefan's life miserable and him trying to manipulate Elena in every move. Always bringing up the ex girlfriend, trying to do mind mojo on Elena so she'll kiss him, invading her dreams... it's just creepy

[MissDK]

You're welcome, no problem
I dont think that Damon only is interested in Elena for her blood.
She is attractive to him because she looks exactly like Katherine, the woman he loved once BUT she is nothing like Katherine in character. She is strong and not as selfish as Katherine had been. I am sure that Damon fell in love with Elena too, like Stefan did.

I dont ship SE because they are too 'cheesy' for my taste. They always repeat their love for each other, the sacrifices they would make for each other etc. it becomes too much for me to read or think about. They dont seem interesting to me as a couple. They just ARE a couple, and that's it. Damon and Elena have some way to go. I havent read Nightfall yet, but it seems to me that Damon actually gets hurt by how much Elena loves Stefan more than she loves him (she says that she also loves him;Damon that is), just like Katherine. Katherine loved Stefan best even though Damon really loved her with all his heart, and the same with Elena.

I am sure that it hurts Damon much more than he is ever willing to admit.

As for Bonnie. I simply dont like her. She cried way too much, she is not strong enough to handle someone like Damon. But Elena is strong enough, and mor ethan strong enough to be with someone like Damon. Damon actually needs someone like Elena. She is a strong person, she can push him and he can push her knowing that it wont hurt her.
When Damon 'interrupted' a private conversation between Stefan and Elena in "The Fury" when Elena was hiding on the loft in Alaric's house. They were again takking about their undying love etc. He said something sarcastic, but knowing Damon, I know that he wished that she would just think about him for a second. After him taking care of her and being gentle with her when she was kinda out of her mind after the transformation to a vampire. In that state, she was telling Damon that she loved him and he could have taken advantage of her, but he didnt although I am sure that he loved hearing the words coming out of her mouth, just wishing they were true and that she meant them. But he knew that she didnt mean it.
I felt sad for Damon because Elena didnt even give him a standing chance next to Stefan, whom I dont see all the fuss about. He is a 'flat' character. No edge to him at all.

[Stay to the Lights]

I guess i'll do this now.

I started reading the books back in like Feb/March when i heard the series was being turned into a TV series and i wanted to know what it would be about.
I was drawn to SE right away.. but it wasn't just them it was Stefan himself, he became my favourite character... i always loved those dark, torchured and brooding type of characters especially in vampire shows/books. (Like Angel, Bill, Edward etc.) there was something about him that i wanted to know more about.
And i got intrigued by their relationship, loving it more and more as the books went on.

And i knew there was a good chance i would love them in the show as well.
From the first scene, i like the books was drawn to them.. and i wanted to see their relationship and how it would begin and progress.
They have chemistry like no other.. i haven't felt like this about a ship in awhile.. well, since Michael & Sara from PB.. Even Edward & Bella, i didn't love them as much as i do Stefan & Elena.
There has been something missing from their lives, with Elena it started with when she lost her parents.. and with Stefan, well.. he has been lonely and lost for a long time... but things changed as soon as they met. It's as if something was awakened inside them.

I fully believe this isn't about them getting together, but seeing the progress of their relationship, and working through challenges in trying to stay together. It's about the trials and tribulations of their relationship.
I feel like they have finally found the one thing that makes them feel alive again, they may not understand the connection they have.. but it's something that is undeniable and longlasting. I feel theirs is a relationship that could last forever.

Why i don't like DE.
I'm not a fan of Damon on awhole, he may have funny lines.. but i never liked the character in the books. He may still have some humanity left in him, and that's not a crime.. but if the show is anything like the books, it will be a selfish kind of relationship and something i can't and will never be able to support. There are always manipulative intentions and those kind of relationships i just cant understand.

I'm also a supporter of DB, because when he is with her, its something caring, unselfish and sweet. He does things he wouldn't normally do. She brings out a side to him in which he probably never knew existed.

I agree with Lynn, i think Damon wants the kind of relationship Elena & Stefan has and he envies that, and he thinks he loves Elena.. but i have a different opinion on that. I think in the last books, he'll see that, and he'll realize his feelings for Bonnie.
Damon & Elena never stood a chance in the books, because she never loved him like she loves Stefan. Do i think she loves Damon? Yes. Do i think she in IN LOVE with Damon? No. I think there is a difference there.
She has Stefan, she is complete with him, and uncomplete without him.

[Drunk On You]

I didn't hear about the books until later in the spring. So I picked the books up and read them. I immediately love SE. And I immediately love Stefan. They are drawn to each other. I feel like they can both look into each other souls, and they are each other soul mate. And in the books it shows that Elena will do anything and whatever it takes to protect Stefan.

With DE I just don't see it. I can see Damon having feelings for her. But he play games with her the whole time. To me it's like he was trying to start the whole Katherine thing all over. And I totally love DB. Like Lynn says he saves her and doesn't have any other motive behind it.

Spoiler:

And in Nightfall with the malachs, Damon tells him that Bonnie is to be left alone and to be let out of the town.

[Stay to the Lights]

I love that part of Nightfall


I agree with you April.
They are each other's everything. they can see into each other's souls just be a look, and if Dark Reunion and Nightfall proved anything then it's (Especially DR) there isn't anything they wouldn't do for one another. When they are apart, it's like a piece of themselves is lost.
And like Elena told Damon in Nightfall.

Spoiler:

Elena ignored all this. “If he’s alive, I can find him.”
“If he remembers you. But what if every memory he had of you were taken away?”
“What?” Elena wanted to explode. “If every memory of Stefan were taken away from me,” she said icily, “I would still fall in love with him the very moment I saw him. And if every memory of me were taken away from Stefan, he would wander all over the world looking for something without knowing what he was looking for.”

[Drunk On You]

I love when Elena says that .

Spoiler:

I do believe it was the end of the first book when Stefan was missing. And the book ends off at Elena going outside and yelling Damon. She knew he had something to do with it. Granted he didn't put him in that well he just left him. But whenever something happens to Stefan, Elena knows Damon had some part in it.

[Stay to the Lights]

I fully believe the books are heading to a SE/DB happy ending. SE have gone through too much not to end up together in the end.
I think the next book will be like New Moon in Twilight.. plus you can see the working of something between Bonnie and Damon, especially in Nightfall.
LJS must have written them differently than DE, like Damon.. he surprises himself but doing certain things for Bonnie.. i think she makes him believe he can be a better person. But with Elena, he does selfish things, hurtful things to the people around him. It's just not healthy.

[ElizaSparrow]

Hi

Mmmh... I haven't read the books so I can't really make comments about that. But I can talk about the show...

The S/E fans over here said Damon have always manipulative intentions even with Elena but I didn't only see that, at least in the 3rd epi. Of course he always talks about Katherine to her, and of course he does it to annoy Stefan and somehow to disturb their relationship. But Damon isn't just a superficial character who makes things only because he's selfish, I mean, when he talked about Katherine with Elena in the kitchen I think it was clear that it was because he needed it. And at the end when he touched her face, without drinking her blood once again there wasn't anything manipulative there... He was just himself.
I love the fact that Damon can become himself and 'human' when he's with Elena, it's a part of him he tries to hide, but when she's there it comes out.

About S/E I feel a bit like Lala: they are a couple and that's all... I mean they can't discuss about how they really feel, and Stefan doesn't want to talk about Katherine with her. I mean, doesn't she remind him of Katherine too?
I do think they both really love Elena, if they didn't it just wouldn't be a triangle, now I think it's to Elena to make a choice, but in the show she have some time before, and in the books maybe she'll end up with Stefan, maybe not. For the moment I just can't consider Damon/Bonnie as a couple, they haven't even talked together and Damon isn't at all attracted to her, I think if they ended up together it would be because Damon has no choice and because Elena has choosen Stefan. And of course Damon is a real gentleman so he'll let Elena free to make her own choice, he wouldn't force her to do anything for him, that's real love for me.

That was what I think about it

[MissDK]

I like what you said Eliza. Even though you didnt read the books, what you said made sense to me. Although Damon really did do some selfish things in the book, but he is not a person anyone has taken time or gave the effort to understand him or to show him affection, especially not Elena.

Spoiler:

All Elena and Stefan say in the books is I love you, I cant live without you, I would do anytihng for you etc etc etc. But I feel like Stefan just gives up everything when Elena dies. Damon was in denial and seduced other girls in the beginning of Dark Reunion. If Damon did not love Elena or was in love with her, he wouldnt try to forget her by having other girls with the same haircolor. Stefan is not that type of guy, but Damon can not handle things the same way as Stefan.

Like I said, in the start of my reading the books I was okay with Stefan, curious about him. But then everything just got old for me. He said and did eveything he always have and he is very predictable. Damon on the other hand is not. I always had the feeling that he is in love and in pain because he knows for sure that Elena would never love him back he way he loves her. And he tries to stay in the background so she can have Stefan all for herself like he thinks she would love to have.

DB = no no for me. I just cant feel it.
Gay, Tiff come in here and discuss with us, back me up here coz you've also read the books

[Drunk On You]

And of course Damon is a real gentleman so he'll let Elena free to make her own choice, he wouldn't force her to do anything for him, that's real love for me.

If the writer's follow the books close enough Damon isn't that much of a gentleman.

Spoiler:

In the books he couldn't take it that Elena chose Stefan. He wanted Elena as his dark queen. In Nightfall he helped get rid of Stefan so he could get Elena to himself.

[Stay to the Lights]

April, i hated him in that part. Pure selfish really.
Damon has never been a gentleman, not when he was human, and not now. If anyone is a gentleman, it would be Stefan. If he felt Damon would be better for her, he would give her up.. even if it killed him.

[Drunk On You]

Couldn't agree more Jen. Yet I still love Damon, but I love Stefan more. And I never for a moment wanted DE.