General Seasons 1-5 Discussion Thread
 

For anyone who is rewatching, or just wants to discuss certain things or episodes. :)

Uhh, to get this thread started, my favorite seasons go in numerical order 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. :lol:

It's funny how I used to complain that I wish we could have s1 back (during s2), but looking back on it, s2 was amazing compared to s3, and s3 was good compared to s4 and s5.

Favorite seasons would also be in that order 1/2/3/4/5, S5 couldve surpassed S4 but to many episodes that were shady.

I'm rewatching S2 right now and jeezies, it feels so fresh. Their worst episode is better than majority of their episodes from S4/5. I miss S1/2 Kurt, and still weird how they pushed Quinn to the background after her being such a major character in S1.

Name an episode you consider exactly average over all.
What elements separate the good ones from the bad ones?

it is also nice to see a normal Tina who wasnt ridiculously over the top and crying everytime she sang.

Oh and Sam wasnt a dumb as nail blonde. To bad Kurt/Sam never got that duet...ever. And Kurt trying to get Sam to duet with him, so many lost opportunities.

ina trying to de-asian her and Mikes date nights is probably one of the most serious storylines she ever got.

Duets is probably one of Glees best episodes in every way. Everyone got a good amount of screen time and it all lead back to the main plot. I wish we had another one where Finn/Rachel actually tried to win and didnt. Its funny that they think they would win if they didnt throw the competition

Duets is probably the most balanced episode ever tbh.

Special Education (2x09) comes to mind. Or pretty much a lot of the competition episodes.

Season two Duets was my favorite until Asian F knocked it off.
I love it when the deep supporting cast dominates an episode. It should happen more often. They're more versatile and can change dramatically without damaging other story lines.
The opening of season two episode one was also important for my becoming a fan.
It was the first time I got to see all 11 members. (Did Mike speak in season one? I understand Matt had exactly two lines.)
I also might not have lasted without Jacob Ben-Israel. The first time I saw it was the beginning of the repeat of Wheels. After the "Here's what you missed on Glee..." segment (also a vital key to the show's success) he was interviewing Sue about the pregnancy scandal. That allowed an update on a matter of no concern to the episode, showed Sue's temperament, and gave a glimpse of a recurring character played by an actor fighting for his life.
Duets gave meaningful scenes to all of them. Sue didn't distract them as she usually does, and it was about music.
Also, can you point out another episode in which Finn and Rachel were a couple and did something couple-like without the threat of imminent breakup?

Original charming Blaine! The memories.

While I already noticed it back then, but wow were they hell bent on keeping the Unholy Trinity in their Cheerios uniforms. They were even in them when they weren't in school.

Cant believe that they wasted Karofsky after S2. All that build up only to do a 1 episode throw away in S3.

And RIB never should've brought on more writers, or at least hired ones with brains. The show was much tighter when it was just those 3 writing the show for S1-2.

S3 started off very good where they swore off guest stars for the first half but after that they just went crazy with them. Not to mention that the addition of the Glee Project didn't help the show, them forcibly bringing in various people from that show did not help at all. Only ones who mattered were Jake/Unique. And I still want to know why they decided to get rid of Lauren Zizes.

That was the most important thing for me. I know Lea is the lead, but considering it's technically an ensemble show, then it should be written as an ensemble show.

The s3 Christmas episode comes to mind.

RIP Brittany and Santana's s2 outfits (post quitting Cheerios).

Exactly, as much as we complained about the "bad" eps, their bad eps from early seasons were nowhere near as terrible as some of the newer writer episodes.

Something that makes me very sad is the fact that they basically decided that it was a good idea to make Sam super dumb, when he actually had an original and somewhat authentic storyline and personality (homeless, but the good boy next door personality, who had a bit of a learning disability (I think he's dyslexic? or is that Ryder?), but ugh s4 just ruined him for me.

It is like they had to downplay Sams character so they could make some of the others look better or seem more important. He seemed like a natural replacement for Finn after he graduated. But just like Blaine they had to ruin his development and take the character backwards instead of foward

The Substitute....such a FUN episode! Holly Holiday was such a breathe of fresh air. I wish she had stuck around longer before Shue got the Glee club back. But she got some serious good character development in those 42 minutes.

The Kurt/Blaine subplot was good and Mercedes was hanging with them which is a friendship that I miss. Rachel/Kurt being besties over Kurt/Mercedes never clicked as much for me.

Holly Holiday is probably the best use of a major guest star tbh because I actually LIKED Holly. She was a much better teacher than Will, at the very least, and she should have stuck around a lot longer or come back for more episodes to help the kids out. I mean she was great as a sub health teacher, if not a bit... out there with her methods. :lol:

I dont understand why Sues mom was a one-off, especially with Sue having some big moments. Just another instance of the writers letting good opportunities go by.

The Kurt/Karofsky storyline was such a good ongoing storyline for the show, the fact that the writers dropped it after S2 instead and only doing 1 followup episode in S3 is a shame. He really shouldve been a regular during S3.

I am glad that Burt/Carole were minor enough that the writers didnt feel to break them up/get them together and add drama for them. It is what they should have done with Emma/Shue after they finally got together instead of giving them a wedding and having Emma run out. Sucks that we never got any Carole/Kurt moments. Would've been fun to see them bonding. Finn dedicating a song to Kurt during the wedding was a real highlight for the character and a great part of the episode.

It was nice Emma calling out Shuester on not using everyone in Glee and playing up their streangths instead of always doing the norm. When he finally decieded to take that to heart, you think it would have changed things for the long run, but sadly Rachel/Finn were right back to where they thought they belong by nationals. I wish we had seen everyones reaction to Santana getting a solo which was very big for her.

Zizes was such a great addition to the team, she naturally fit in with everyone and such a tragedy that she never got a proper song and how they just got rid of her come S3 so they could maintain their quota of not meeting quota and so they could bring in useless Glee Project kids. S3 in general if not S4 should've given us our biggest member count for the Glee club. The writers knew that they would be graduating people and still focusing on McKinley, so them not taking the opportunity to bring in majority of the S4 kids was just a bad idea. Marley/Kitty/Jake all should've been introduced in S3.

While I like me some Brittana, I also like me some Bartie. They were such a good couple and it really helped Brittany grow somewhat as a character. Of course all of that was swept under the rug come S3.

Sam/Quinn were so freakin charming that it makes me want to hurl but I actually liked their courtship over the season. It is weird knowing that again come S3 the two act like they never had anything.

It was so refreshing having Finn/Rachel having nothing to really do during sectionals while Santana/Quinn/Sam/Brittany/Mike took over.

Watching Sue Sylvesters Shuffle or whatever the title is, you think that with this being the episode that followed the Superbowl that the writers wouldve put their best work into it.

It is a damn shame that we never got to see Cheerios regionals or any of their competitions since it would have given the UT some focus that they lacked. It was stupid of Shue dropping to Sues level and forcing the UT to choose between Glee Club and their regionals. And while I doubt that Santana wouldve stayed de-Cheerioed for long, it was a waste of a storyline to have no one take their place in the school hierarchy of popular kids and Sues go tos.

The writers really missed out on the UT singing You Dont Own Me from First Wives club to Sue/Shue and have them choose neither.

Not only do I agree with almost every comment, my story fixed most of these problems.
Karofsky ends up with Jeremiah.
Holly marries Dave Martinez to solve his problems with the Immigration and Naturalization service (after they arrange a wonderful July 4 concert).
Mrs. Sylvester finds one more NAZI (a married man who had a sex-change operation in the 1950s, framing his wife-who was not located until after she died of natural causes in the 1980s) in a cave in Uruguay. Then she teams up with friends from the CIA to rescue Sue from a Canadian prison.
In December of season two I joined Foxforum, and they did most of what I said until they shut it down in October of season 3.
Among other things:
The First Time was my idea, including Rachel losing her virginity for the sake of her career.
I described a female evangelical, thus creating both Joe and Kitty.
I told them to out Santana in episode six of season three.
I wanted Sue to try to sabotage glee club by having Cheerios with bad voices join, thus I became responsible for Sugar.
They deleted my post that Sue would have to leave the news show because of the equal time provision because they were using it in the next episode.
I wanted Puck to relentlessly pursue the evangelical because she didn't want him romantically, then immediately they had him pursue Lauren relentlessly for that reason.
I wanted them to lose sectionals in season three, so they lost in season four.
I asked a poster how many straight male wedding planners they knew. They presented Mr. Lavinder.

Unfortunately they omitted a few of my best suggestions.
After losing sectionals, Rachel disguises herself as a boy and joins the Warblers, gaining romantic interest from a gay boy and a very confused straight one and singing songs from Yentl.

The Devil and Sue Sylvester. A remake of The Devil and Daniel Webster.
Long ago she sold her soul to the Devil in exchange for 7 cheerleading championships. After the seventh, he comes to collect. As an American she demands a trial before 12 peers. The Devil chooses the jury: New Directions.

Plus, they had Heather, and cheerleading is based on gymnastics and dance, both of which Heather is the queen at doing, so why not capitalize on that talent and actually give us a legit Cheerios number? Wasted potential (aka the tagline of this show).

I just automatically thought David Martinez was gay, but maybe that's bc I couldn't see past the fact that it was Ricky Martin. :lol:

I just automatically thought David Martinez was gay, but maybe that's bc I couldn't see past the fact that it was Ricky Martin. :lol:[/QUOTE]
That is not relevant to my story.
Will crashes into a tree when he gets a phone call telling him Emma is back in critical condition.
Dave therefore has to coordinate the New Directions performance at Finn and Emma's memorial concert.
They get invited to perform a July 4 concert (with Kitty Dukakis making a speech and apologizing for her disinterest in the Blame it on the Alcohol performance). Of course he needs Holly's help.
He runs out when they start singing The Ballad of Davy Crocket. When Holly tracks him down at a bar he reveals he had an ancestor killed there fighting for the Mexicans.
When he doesn't show up at the concert she thinks that's the reason. He shows her the letter from the INS.
Then on the last day they are pronounced man and wife.
That could happen regardless.
When I started watching Glee I hoped it would be the first show in tv history in which gay characters could go several episodes without mentioning their inclinations because they were doing things the same way straight people might do them.
Adam Crawford however is straight. In the US everyone assumed he was gay because of his accent and love for the soft arts. No straight person wanted to be his friend so he started to play along, making excuses for avoiding sex. Kurt became his first true friend because Kurt didn't want sex. He's been in love with Rachel since he met her.
Santana discovers all his secrets and eventually finds out they're related:
If anyone is curious, Adam and Santana are both descended from Charles III of Spain, who ruled Spain from 1759 until his death in 1788 after ruling the Kingdom of Naples and Sicily before that.

Their line continues through his son Gabriel, who married Maria Vitoria, princess of Portugal.

Their son Peter Charles married a lower noble named Teresa, producing their last common ancestor Sebastian (1811-1875).

He married Maria Amalia of Bourbon.

Adam descends from their most prominent son Francisco, who married into the Romanov family.

Santana descends from their youngest son Gabriel, born in 1869.

Gabriel, with no inheritance due on the continent, married a wealthy Mexican widow and conceived abuela’s grandmother before his tragic death at age 20.

With no inheritance of her own she married Mr. Lopez, whose connection to the throne goes back to the 1600s. They lost all property during the Mexican Civil Wars that soon followed.

You know who I miss? Terri and Kendra. :lol:

Yeah they were really wasted. Esp Kendra. Im surprised they didnt have Will get back with Teri briefly during S2.

I loved Terri being part of Sue's League of Doom in season two.

I wonder if she ever quit working at Sheets N' Things...

Watching Silly Love Songs, another very strong episode of the series. Had multiple storylines going on that were all good, basically everyone got a very good amount of screen time and it wasn't centered on anyone, very ensemble. This is also the last season where RIB made sure that no one just sat around doing nothing the entire episode, unlike all the writers who came in for S3 and didnt know how to handle a cast this size.

Lauren Zizes is seriously one of the best additions to ND. Even though she never got to really sing, her attitude was great and she was very strong willed. Getting rid of her after the season is over was such a huge mistake.

Going back into the show knowing what comes along, it is very clear that the Santanas sexual preference wasn't thought out that much. While I am cool with her being lesbian, she should've been bisexual, it is much truer to the character. Even past S2 she gets turned on by guys every blue moon. Her slam on Finn at the beginning of the episode was funny. I wish we had gotten a little more Santana/Puck scenes to flesh that fwb relationship out a little bit more. The Zizes/Snixx fight was also great. Santana is never afraid to get physical with someone. Her revenge scheme was brilliant.

Since this is the first episode of the UT being out of uniform, they really should've dealt with their fall from popularity.

Blaine being in his prime is so refreshing to see again. He isnt some sad weeping sap and he had some major charisma.

Quinn/Finn rekindling their romance wasnt so bad, especially since we knew that they were dating for a while before we got introduced to them so it only makes sense they may still have some feelings for one another. Of course the writers just turn it into Quinn only caring about Finn for a better chance to win prom queen.

Considering they barely know what to do right re: Santana's sexuality, and the fact that they sure as hell don't know how to handle a bisexual Brittany or give that aspect of Brittany any thought whatsoever, I'm glad that they made Santana a lesbian, although it would work better if she didn't state her attraction to gay stripper Santa, hot though he is indeed.

But Silly Love Songs is the episode that made me fall in love with Santana, and for that I will forever love that episode.

I'd like to talk about Terri.
I saw only a few episodes of season one.
Her becoming school nurse was ridiculous, but that Glee's chosen form of humor.
Her having a 4.0 gpa makes no sense, but they're not good at math.
Obviously the fake pregnancy was grounds for divorce, but...
What else was there about her in the first few episodes that made most viewers want Will to dump her, and even endorse adultery in the process?
Prior to Glee, did any of you ever feel that way about any tv couple?
I think the few appearances she had after season one (especially The Substitute and Artie's dream) are on the short list of things done well over time.

Watching Sexy, another good episode, Santana/Brittany dealing with their feelings with each other head on was good. Though I wish Santana/Sam had been developed more instead of just being used to make sure everyone is paired up.

Holly Holiday was once again a delight to see. It sucks that she is absent from the 3rd season.

By the time we get to Regionals, it was disappointing to see them go back to their basic regular performance. Rachel gets the usual solo then segue into Loser Like Me which was written by ND sans Rachel but stars Rachel/Finn as the main focus.

Mercedes/Zizes teaming up was great, wish they had gotten a duet together.

The writers went to overboard with Emmas ocd issues and making sure that Shue was her first.

Rachel manages to get that lil trophy for MVP and then reverts straight back to her overly selfish ways.

Cheyenne Jackson was such a waste of a guest character.

Its sad to know that S2 is the last time Kurt/Blaine/Brittany/Tina/Quinn are all in their prime. Kurt gets declawed and is all about peace. Blaine I dont even think I need to say anything about. Brittany goes silent and is even dumber in S3. Tina...well her downfall started in S2 with her not being able to perform without crying but whatever. Quinn as we all know goes through so many rough patches it is ridiculous.

Quinn going 2 seasons focusing on Prom Queen sucks.

Well, I mean, she was a little over-the-top and not necessarily abusive, but I mean, kind of like condescending and stuff. Plus, I just think that they wanted Wemma to happen no matter what.

I'm just still pissed that we never found out about Quinn's "BIG PLANS!!11" for revenge after Jean's funeral. What a waste. Trying to sabotage the Glee club again from within after she's started kind of liking being there would have been a more fun way to destroy her character, at least, as opposed to that whole trying to frame kid's adoptive mom for abuse stuff we got in early s3.

Ugh, Quinn baby, why did the writers hate you so???