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All Or Nothing (4x22) - Episode Discussion
All Or Nothing [B][CENTER]IT’S NOW OR NEVER FOR THE NEW DIRECTIONS ON THE SEASON FINALE OF “GLEE” THURSDAY, MAY 9, ON FOX Based on previous heated debates, we (moderators) have decided to list some guidelines and rules that need to be followed on all episode discussions here. 1. Do not bash any of the cast members or writers. Discussion should be about characters. Substituting an actors name for a character when discussing the character is not okay. They're not the same person. Respectfully critiquing someone's performance or a writer's contribution is fine, however, bashing and being rude about them is not. Offensive nicknames for the writers and cast-members are also not to be used here. This is against Fan Forum policy and is an insult to real people.Thank you, everyone! Happy __________________
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Terribly sorry this is late you guys, I was having a lot of internet problems last night.
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It didn't really feel like a season finale. It was mediocre which is nothing surprising.
My favorite parts surprisingly involved Brittany after her first scene. Even though I hate this whole MIT thing it was nice that when she finally leaves she is almost what I wanted her to be and wasn't ridiculously stupid. I don't even care about Klaines storyline so not going to bother saying any more on it. Glad that this whole catfish is over with. Only good thing about it is that Unique may get more screen time. Glee butchered Icona Pops "I Love It". Should've left it for Santana/Mercedes/Kurt/Rachel and not cut out the other half of the lyrics. Which brings me to the graduates...it is such a waste to have half of them together, in the same room, and not even interacting with one another. I don't need them to serve as the newbies groupies. And I had to laugh at Nayas ever changing hair color in every scene she was in. Of course they tried cramming way to much into this episode which isn't anything new. They either need to get rid of Lima or NY or give Lima half a season and NY half a season like its been speculated. This season had a lot of potential but of course it was untapped, so many more interesting storylines they could have done but haven't and probably wont. |
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Brittany's goodbye scenes were really sad.
I loved the Clarity performance. I knew catfish was unique from the start, they took too long to announce it. |
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kurt crying when blaine and marley sang all or nothing was so cute i wanted to hug him
the scene with patty duke and meridith baxter was awesome but heart breaking when kurt said "were not a couple" __________________
Whenever I start feeling sick I just stop being sick and be awesome instead True Story - NPH as Barney
I should have spray tanned that's the first thing i realize - NPH on Cleb beach Bowl |
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I liked how it went "meta" when Will said "Where are Sugar and Joe?" the same question that all of us have been asking!
Heather's acting was superb, but the "unlikely person figures out the impossible mathematical theorum" storyline seemed a little ripped off from "Good Will Hunting." Two questions: 1) are Brittana back together? and 2) will Heather be on the show next season, or is she gone for good? Rachel's version of "To Love You More" was even better than Celine's original! The old lesbian couple was adorable. When Marley announced that she was Katie, I thought "she can't be. She's lying because she, like everyone else, wants this whole thing over with." I wasn't all that surprised that it was Unique. I felt bad for her but at the same time what she did was unacceptable and I don't blame Ryder for responding the way he did. Does this mean Ryder won't be back next season? I LOVED Brittany's pre-competition speech. The Regionals performances were mediocre. It seems that ND won only because the other performances were even more mediocre- yes, even the Hoosierdaddies. Jessica's singing was great but neither performance did anything for me. The all boy's choir singing "Rainbow Connection" was supremely cheesy, even by Glee standards. Glad that Wemma are finally married. The finale, like the entire season, was mediocre. But of course those sneaky Glee writers had to throw in a couple of cliffhangers so I'll have to watch next season to find out if Kurt says yes to Blaine and if Rachel gets the part of Funny Girl! __________________
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Unique could be a truly compelling character. There is so much opportunity here, so much that can be done. So it is fitting that the disregard of Unique is a prime example of the show's problems this season. As Ryder, Jake, Marley, and, to a lesser extent, Kitty went through their romantic dilemmas - Unique was a cameo in someone else's romantic life. The catfish story's focus was Ryder. Ryder, the heterosexual male jock with the chiseled looks. Unique appeared at the end to be revealed and shot down.
I predicted this. I knew this show had no real interest in Unique. To have interest is to go beyond having a transgendered character and actually explore the transgendered character's life. Instead there was disinterest. His life is lived off-screen. Early this season, I predicted Santana Lopez's love life for the rest of the year. A 1 to 2 minute on-screen same sex encounter, talk about what is happening off-screen, and then Santana and Brittany meeting up again in the finale. When Sue's offscreen antics are recounted, one senses they are not shown because they are so over the top. When Santana's offscreen love life is recounted, one senses a show creator which could care less. Santana and Unique ultimately come across as tokenistic. While Brittany goes through a shoddily constructed, inauthentic feeling romance with Sam and Ryder deals with love's travails, Santana is dealt with as someone to enhance other's scenes and Unique as another good singing voice. Even when Santana is given focus, it is constructed to have zilch to do with her romantic life. Which leads me to the inclusion of an older lesbian couple. This sequence bothers me most. It is typical Ryan Murphy. He can cite his inclusion of characters while giving cameo's more dialogue than the actual lesbian character. We get to see Finn and Rachel talk marriage. We get to see Blaine thinking of marriage to Kurt. We get to see Santana waving forlornly to Brittany as she sits with Sam. Poor Sam. The show undermined his relationship with Mercedes (poor Mercedes while we are at it). The show and Sam not only acted as if it never happened. The show had Sam telling Brittany he wanted her all along. Sam's relationship with Brittany never worked. Their final sequence last night, with I love you's shared, seemed, as with the whole romance, to be a case of RM going "She is blonde and hot. He is blonde and hot. Nothing more needed." And to be fair, there was nothing more. This was the ultimate experiment if one wanted to see if looks and heterosexuality alone were enough for fans. The good news is most rejected this insulting crap. Meanwhile Brittany's sequences with Santana were typical in that the show shied away from actual discussion. Santana's nothing needs to be said is the ultimate copout. The hope by RM is that the audience goes they are such soulmates nothing more is needed. The reality is it is the show shying away from a couple that never fit what they wanted. RM getting the last laugh but I would think his blatant games are more and more transparent. Just in case, the show is rightfully called out for it's vicious, hateful attacks on lesbians (highlighted by the malignant "angry lesbian bloggers" line which is about as bigoted as it gets), the show offers up an older lesbian couple. What is the purpose here? It is not just a proactive defense. I also see it as a middle finger salute. The show is all but saying we will screw you over on Santana and Brittany but how is this for condolescences - here is an old couple who will appear once and properly serve the story of the gay men. No thanks to RM. The reason so much of this show is easy to call regarding certain characters (why I knew Santana's plotline would play out as it did and why Unique's would play out as it did) is it is easy to tell whose love lives the show has zero interest in. Clue - if it does not revolve around someone wanting a man there is no interest and if it revolves around a transgendered child the show has no interest. Is there hope for the next season? I don't see it. Besides, Kurt and Blaine, the other queer characters have been reduced to props and token characters. The new characters are either played by bad actors, badly written or badly used. And the loss of Heather Morris means no more funny at McKinley. A weak finale on a disastrous season. |
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I just watched Wonder-Ful. I was reading with my son for the first 10 minutes this week then had a 20-minute phone call, so I missed most of the dialogue in the first half.
Considering the two episodes together I think I know what they're doing. May is sweeps month, when the ratings determine advertising prices for next fall. Glee is no longer important to Fox or there would have been four episodes in May no matter what. The fact they didn't show repeats on hiatus weeks makes that even more obvious. These episodes were probably written long before the April episodes and were designed to highlight original cast members: Rachel, Mercedes, Kurt, Burt and Artie in Wonder-Ful and Britney, Kurt, Will and Emma this week. All other activity in these two episodes was just to fulfill a few obligations. If the show was to still be in danger of cancellation, these episodes and that strategy would be the best hope to save it. The use of the guest stars in the last three episodes also was designed to win back tired viewers and-if possible-find a few new ones. (If I had heard that Patty duke was going to appear on a show I'd never watched I might have been tempted to look.) The last time I saw her on tv was 30 years ago, promoting a film about weight discrimination. I didn't recognize her. Meredith Baxter recently announced she's a lesbian in an attempt to revive her career. After this performance does anyone want to see her again? Inesal is correct about Unique's tokenism, but it's not over the sexuality issue (though that makes writing hard) but because the actor (Alex Newell) is black. With Mercedes out of glee club and Azimio and Shane graduated there would have been only three scenes with a black person talking all year: Jake's mother and the annoying gay guy. Santana does something distinctively Latina once a year. Tina still hasn't chosen a nationality and since her last name is Cohen-Chang she's at least 25% Jewish. Jake is supposedly half-black half-Jewish but has done nothing associated with either ethnicity. The show is racist and doesn't even know it. The show's racism is overshadowed by its anti-religious bias. In Wonder-Ful Mercedes said, "Jesus wrote somewhere in the Bible..." That's the type of line Archie Bunker might have said. It would make sense for him because his religious orientation was long ago and confused. She should have named the chapter and known Jesus didn't write it. Jake replied, "I'm Jewish." That makes no sense. Jake's adulterous father was Jewish but obviously never took his religion seriously or he wouldn't have seduced half the girls in Lima. Blacks are represented in most religions but only a few are Jewish. That means we are to believe that his mother converted for the sake of an affair with a non-religious man from a religion tyhat doesn't actively recruit. These writers appear not only to be atheists, but the worst kind of atheists, the kind that are so surrounded by the anti-religious that they know nothing about what real religion is. In any case the quote would have made sense if it was from Charles Manson and Jake should have been flattered. Jake and Marley may be the most boring couple in Glee history. If he was still doing bad things the possibility that Marley would dump him for them would come up in most episodes and make for great comedy and moral lessons too. Nice couples help others with their problems, but I can't picture them doing that either. If Mercedes is back in Lima and Sam is free again they have another chance. However if Sam still loves Britney he might go to Boston. I know a place he could work. For that matter Santana could get in touch with her Latin roots by moving to Jamaica Plain in Boston. They could visit the Back Bay or scenic Provincetown to meet real lesbians swhile singing You're sure to fall in love with old Cape Cod. Kitty's interest in Artie might not be romantic. When someone said a big guest star was coming and that Artie's mother would appear I was hoping it was Steve Martin, reprising his role as a fraudulent faith healer from the 1990s flop Leap of Faith (costarring Meatloaf). He's a fraud but Artie would be healed anyway. That would make up for some bad things. Cassanda said Barbra Striesand was coming to Rachel's audition but she wasn't there. She needs to appear nefore the series ends. I want to be one of 3 million people crying in the series finale when Barbra and Rachel sing The Way We Were. Don't you? James Brolin should have played the nose doctor. He's cheap. I missed all the dialogue between Ryder and Unique, but the right way to play the story is to define whether it is Wade wanting Ryder as a friend or Unique wanting Ryder as a lover or Wade wanting Ryder as a lover or Unique wanting Ryder as a friend. Let's make it a split personality issue and have my favorite actress Sally Field (who played 14 parts in one body in Cybil) play a psychiatrist who makes peace between the two feuding entities. That has to be worked out before Wade or Unique has sex with anyone. With Britney and Ryder gone they need two new members before nationals. They better be good. |
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I have to respectfully disagree. This was not about too many characters to me. This was about RM focusing on what he saw as the hottest straight couples. |
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I can't comment on the episode yet because I haven't had time to watch it. __________________
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