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David Koresh [WACO] Thread #4: Because Taylor Is Almost Completely Unrecognizable as David Koresh
Welcome to 'WACO' Thread #3 Teaser Trailer Taylor Kitsch - David Koresh Melissa Benoist - Rachel Koresh Michael Shannon - Gary Noesner Rory Culkin - David Thibodeau John Leguizamo - Robert Rodriguez Andrea Riseborough - Judy Schneider Paul Sparks - Steve Schneider Julia Garner - Michelle Jones Demore Barnes - Wayne Martin Cameron Manheim - Balenda Thibodeau Last edited by worthyoflove; 11-20-2017 at 04:27 PM |
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If you want we can move the Weinstein talk to the Rally Girls thread, but it still seems relevant here.
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I just saw a preview for the Elizabeth Smart Story. So many ****ed up true stories out there.
I am not going to comment on the Matt Damon situation after this post. I just want to say that it's deeply upsetting to me, more so than if it were Taylor's name being thrown out there. I'm sure Matt knew at least some, as did 100s of others and Amanda said it well when she said ALL actors were probably intimidated and feared for their careers when it came to him, AND the brother seems to be the only one capable of bringing him down. I know that Matt would never go out of his way to defend or support this man if he knew the extent of his abuses. Matt has 4 daughters. He clearly made some uniformed choices and stupid ones too. __________________
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Stop Mentioning Your Daughters When You Denounce Harvey Weinstein Article aside, Matt's explanation seemed very reasonable to me -- until, that is, someone brought up his campaigning so hard for Casey Affleck during awards season, and refusing to allow reporters to even bring up the sexual-harassment case(s). I'm not beating up on Matt, though. No one is perfect. And people don't always make the right choice. And yes, everyone knew, but again I say they might not have known the extent of it. Some probably even thought the actresses were OK with it. Gretchen Mol wrote a piece today saying that despite the years of rumors, she did not sleep with Harvey to get work. Anyway, I just want to mention one more thing and it's Taylor related: Benedict Cumberbatch came out with a statement denouncing Harvey today as well, and here's how the article described him: Quote:
I think the Harvey stuff belongs here, since Waco and Taylor are at least indirectly linked it. But we can always move on if people are tired of discussing it. Also I'm sorry you're so upset about the Matt rumors, KiKi. I don't mean to beat up on him or make you feel worse. Last edited by KitscherSunk; 10-10-2017 at 08:03 PM |
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Well that's bull****. Of course a man is going to be more sensitive to women's matters once he has daughters. Why wouldn't he be?
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And it does make me feel worse each time you post negative stuff about him, obviously. But you are entitled to your own opinion and you are entitled to discuss. I just need to stop looking and reading I suppose. __________________
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I don't want you to feel bad about Matt and trust me, if it were Taylor I'm sure I'd want to defend him to the bitter end.
It was widely reported in Variety, New York Times, etc. that Matt stuck closely to Casey during the awards season push to help avoid bringing up the sexual assault conversation with Casey. This article kind of breaks it down. https://www.thecut.com/2016/11/why-t...ont-stick.html I get it, he's like family to him, it's business, it's Hollywood. But I fear it's going to be a bumpy road for Ben and Matt in the near future all the articles are coming out now and their connection to Casey and they're all kind of linked together. Someone pulled up some video footage of Ben Affleck groping Hillary Burton's breast back when she was like 19 years old on TRL. Hillary tweeted about it today saying she had to laugh so as not to cry. Not looking good for him... I don't know that Taylor will have to release a formal statement. I think Benedict's movie comes out soon, right? But who knows, Taylor is a producer as well so maybe he will release a statement. And I get what the article is saying about having daughters shouldn't be the reason that you're suddenly enlightened to women's issues. That is the issue! |
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I had a big response written out but I think I will try to just keep the discussion Taylor related.
I'm still sticking with the fact that he was a producer on the movie and needed to separate the two. The whole family angle makes it harder. He SHOULD have come out and denounced abuse at least. As I guess Taylor should do since he is in the same situation, being a producer and actor on a film that is largely funded by and represented by Harvey Weinstein. What do you think Matt should have done? What do you think Taylor should do? I GET what the article is saying, but No matter what, having daughters is going to make any guy understand women better and sympathize stronger. Just like when someone here brought up the fact that Taylor was raised by a single mother and has three sisters. One of you said that just the other day in connection to the Weinstein situation. Someone better make sure he gets the memo NOT to talk about this. __________________
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I think he should read up on it, have a thoughtful put together response about balance of power and the use of it in the industry. Don't bring up sisters, aunts, moms any of that, everyone has a woman in their life that they care about, Harvey has daughters and a mom he adored, didn't make him immune to the type of behavior everyone else with daughters is disavowing.
He better know how often he had contact with Harvey and better not lie about "knowing" whether he'd heard whispers or not because everyone who has said they didn't know is basically being dragged and in some cases (Ben Affleck) past behavior is even being looked into further. The good news is Taylor is only recently tied to Harvey it's not like he has a 20 year working relationship with him like others. |
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He's going to have to formulate a response. This isn't going away. The media will want to know what Taylor knows.
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He will be in New York next week so hopefully he'll have a better answer prepared by then.
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I won't say anything else about Matt or Ben.
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I was the one who brought up Taylor mentioning his mom and sisters as a way for him to possibly respond to questions about his relationship with Harvey. I wasn't saying he should, I was just suggesting it as something he could add to his statement. |
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Yeah Amazon is dumping the Weinstein project but is moving forward with their Woody Allen project so...that's been pointed out quite a few times.
I'm just glad Waco is already made, it could be a different story if it were pre-production. |
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It seems like every female actress that came across Harvey has a story including Minka.
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I hate this for all these actresses.
I wonder if she ever shared this with Taylor? I want to say no, just bc he seems so protective, and I have a hard time seeing him working with Harvey if he knew this. I realize you can't always choose, and Harvey is a big name in Hollywood, but I would think if he knew and had the choice, he would not. __________________
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A lot of it probably depends on when she met with him. Was this early early FNL days, then Taylor probably knew. Was it post FNL, then probably not. But who knows. Her story seems more typical Hollywood male crap but it's still disturbing.
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