Well, I always like a happy ending, and we didn't get resolution, so that displeases me. But it was left up in the air so that we can at least believe in our chosen endings. Better than having a total tragedy and OOC behaviors just for a dramatic conclusion.

Maybe that's why she got anxious when Clem came around and wondered if her lack of experience may be a problem. So maybe Ricky wasn't being completly honest from then either but was better at hiding it from us than Amy? :shrug: Anyhoo it is what it is, at the end of the day that's the relationship that got played out and continue off screen so . . .who knows

Evas during the last convo, did Amy confirm that she only loved Ricky as well or did she just confirm that Ricky loved her and wasn't in love with her? Trying to remember

I also know that people keep comparing Ramy to her parents, the difference as Amy pointed out last night, Ramy are friends and that's the best foundation to build a genuine relationship from assuming that they keep it honest. Maybe Ricky lost the passion and the love cause of Amy's wishy washiness, and maybe Amy lost her love cuase to be honest, Ricky kinda turned into a parent not only for John but also for Amy and I don't think Amy really liked that, I know I didn't

What I remember was something like Ricky asking her why she didn't want to get married and she said 'if you were in love with me it would have made all the difference". Sounds to me like she is in love with him, and all she was waiting for was him being in love with her.

That's what I recall, the uncertainty of Ricky's love was confirmed and we have kinda seen the strange looks he give each time Amy really reached out to him like saying she didn't want to lose him when she was at the college or when she decided to set the wedding date after getting back the rings from Ben. I can't recall Amy saying I'm not in love with you, I recall her saying WE should be totally in love when we get married, that's what I want for myself and that's what I want for you . . .emphasis on YOU. The that's what I want for myself part is ambiguous imo, she could have meant she is not in love or she could have meant she wants the in love to be felt by both parties and not just one . .which is reasonable

I agree. I'm getting more convinced that Amy wanted her life with Ricky and John, but really has been in love with Ricky from the start. She was happy when he proposed, she probably thought it meant he was in love with her. But as time passed, and the way he treated her didn't change, it was almost paternal as people have said, she realized she needed more, and tried to put off the wedding until she found out if he really was in love with her. All that talk about not knowing what love is, is true. It's confusing, and emotional, and we can't know it we have to feel it. And what she was missing was the feeling of being 'the one' for Ricky. He didn't lie when he said he loved her, but there are so many kinds of love.

I don't blame Amy as much now ... all my rage is pointed at Anne what a abomination of an mother she is! Point blank period no wonder one of her daughters fled the country to get away from her crazy ass.

More and more pointing toward the fact that Ben had nothing to do with it because she's not in love with Ben. She's in love with Ricky and she even said 'what if I am in love' to her parents when she came back in.. She was straight up nervous that she was making the wrong decision and Anne was like 'you can still go to NY it'll be okay because it's gonna be worked out' and then she said I just want to go back up to let Ricky know that I love him and John too. Yeah the way it went it gets more and more clear that they were both IN LOVE even if they didn't say it. If they weren't, I don't think that scene would have been so emotional and raw. Let's just face it, Ricky/Amy lost their way because they stop communicating and let the doubts come in..by the time they did anything about it, it consumed them so now they're working backwards again and ultimately end up together for the right reasons because the love is already there.. They just have to figure out what it is that made them fall in love in the first place and space/time can allow that but in the meantime they're gonna ensure that John's upbringing isn't taken off course while they're trying to figure their relationship out.

Agreed . . .too bad she's taking part of the drama Ben/Adrian with her to NY. Really hoped they had some space to figure this out without outside interference especially from her silly mother

I agree. I do believe that Ramy did find their way back to each other in the long run.

I cannot believe that they aren't in love with each other... I mean Ricky was looking a her after band camp but before he found out she was pregnant. And Amy never looked happier then when she was with Ricky. I'm just a little upset because again another couple that I shipped didn't make it. :mad::(:bawl:

I don't really like Anne, but I didn't think she was wrong in giving Amy another option. And I like to think that Amy took that option rather than trap herself in Ben's vicinity.

I think it could all boil down to Ricky not really having made full progress in his emotional recovery. He accepted being a person worhty of love, but maybe he hasn't accepted risking his heart. He did act more like a parent with Amy, retaining control of the situation, rather than treating her like a partner.

amy never said that she was in love with ricky when she came back into the butcher shop she said, "i want to tell ricky i love him"---meaning she loves him as a friend...it was already resolved that they are not "in love"---she wanted to leave on good terms which the did--but i think she didn't say that and she wanted to make it clear to ricky that even if she is not in love with him she does love him (i think you guys are confused about the difference of being in love and loving someone)---otherwise this isn't that surprising


look the only thing that is clear from this finale (which you would see if you weren't fooling yourself) is that ricky and amy are not in love with each other (did you watch season 5 or just stop after the graduation)

this is clear from what they both said in the finale and their actions leading up to the finale----besides what ricky and amy blatantly stated in the finale..their actions throughout the second half of season 4 and season 5 prove they are not in love..otherwise they would have gotten married at some point...

even if they did not feel they were ready to get married...they could still have decided they were in love and would get married in the future

instead they both decided that they were not in love, they were together because of john and that it would be best to be friends and raise john together as friends

i dont know how much clearer this could have been

now as far as ben and amy are concerned or ricky and anyone else...its all speculation since it was not addressed direclty in the finale...however, ben and amy is something that can be speculated upon because it was not mentioned directly (at least amy's feelings for ben)

further, your constant delusion that ricky and amy actually are in love they just havent realized it yet...is farfetched and ridiculous since that question has been answered by both ricky and amy in the finale and that is what the writers would have done even if the series went on for another 5 seasons

In the final scene though when Amy came back in she said "I dunno maybei am in love with Ricky maybe i just don't know what it is" I thought it just still all boiled down to them being to young to get married and really understands their emotions.

Well, this is your interpretation, and since it wasn't said outright, I guess we'll never know for sure.

Talking about loving and being in love is always confusing because they are only words that represent an emotion. And we can only communicate based on our own assumption of the meanings of those words. Whatever it was, Amy seemed to think that Ricky's feelings for her weren't strong enough.

I'm not sure you understood that final scene with Amy. You can say it meant nothing but it meant EVERYTHING. That final scene of Amy with her parents was to simply showcase just how conflicted she was over her decision. It was to showcase just how much she was doubting her decision, and that doubt didn't just mean leaving John. It was made 100% clear that it also meant leaving Ricky. Amy didn't say she wanted to go upstairs to let Ricky know that she loved him. She said she wanted to go up one more time to let Ricky know that she loves(Present tense)him. The context in which she said it made it very clear that it wasn't that she wanted to go upstairs and say "Hey, new best friend, I just want you to know I love ya." She meant it in a romantic sense. You don't break up with someone that you don't see a future with only to want to go back and tell them you love(Again, present tense!)them, if you truly don't see a future with that person. That's not what someone who just wants to be friends with someone else does, especially after a "break up". To re-enforce my point even more, the second time Amy walked back into the butcher shop, the first words she said were "Maybe I am in love." She made it very clear with that statement and her words that followed that she really isn't sure how she feels. As for George's final words, HELLO! It's not rocket science! George didn't just tell her to go back up to the apartment for John. He said multiple times to go back up to John AND Ricky. He told her she'd feel better, Ricky would feel better and John would feel better. He even told Amy she could stay in CA and still get a great education and be with her "happy husband" and happy son. It was made more than clear that George was telling Amy she was making a mistake and should go back and work things out with Ricky. George made it clear to Ricky last week that if Amy chose to go to NY, she'd regret it and come back. Last night, he made it very clear to Amy that going to NY was a mistake. His words of wisdom to Ricky last week and his final words to Amy last night weren't just thrown in there for *****s and giggles. It was to remind everyone that Amy will regret her decision.

It was pretty obvious by the end last night that Ben had absolutely nothing to do with Amy's decision to go to NY. There was absolutely no mention of him at all, let alone maybe being in love with him, by her to her parents in that final scene. If Ben was even a reason, we would've heard it. She only spoke of Ricky, her continued love for him and whether or not she is in love, and John. No mention of Ben AT ALL.