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Old 07-18-2018, 02:52 PM
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Cabinet positions and Ambassador posts are both officially considered to be politically neutral. Presidents can and do call on members of other parties to fill those posts. In general, the majority of such posts are filled by party affiliates, but most Presidents have at least a few representatives of the opposing party in these positions. Since such appointments have to be approved by the Senate, when the Senate is controlled by the other party, Presidents will often choose someone from the other party in order to avoid having their nomination rejected. They can also leverage such appointments to gain points for being bipartisan.
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Old 07-20-2018, 12:51 PM
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I wonder if they have Coca Cola over in the AU?
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If they do, there's probably something different about it. Like maybe it still has cocaine as an ingredient.
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Old 07-20-2018, 05:25 PM
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Definitely it'd explain the behavior of some of the people over there
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If they do, there's probably something different about it. Like maybe it still has cocaine as an ingredient.
I absolutely agree. It would fit the AU so well!

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Old 07-20-2018, 08:24 PM
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However, I believe narcotics are also illegal in the alternate universe. Remember the Pelham Flop House from "Everything In Its Right Place"?

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Narcotics in general may be illegal, but it's possible the laws are slightly different for specific drugs.
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Narcotics in general may be illegal, but it's possible the laws are slightly different for specific drugs.
That is very true. We don't know which drugs are legal and which one are not 'over there'. We can only surmise from the clues the "Fringe" writers gave us. The assumption being that cocaine is also illegal 'over there'. We do know that some drugs are definately illegal 'over there' for there to be flop houses like Pelham for drug addicts to have to hide out in to use them.

Cocaine could be legal 'over there'. The writers never directly specified which drugs were legal and which ones weren't.

Coca-Cola with cocaine could be dispensed over the counter like Tylenol 3 and 4 with codeine are 'over here'.

Or sold like alcoholic beverages are 'over here'.

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I just wonder how strict the FDA would be about certain substance especially if they had an opiate epidemic
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I just wonder how strict the FDA would be about certain substance especially if they had an opiate epidemic
Well, if the way Fringe Division handled crime 'over there' is any indication, I'd say pretty strict.

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"Mission: Impossible - Fallout" starring Tom Cruise is being released in theaters today 'over here'.

Perhaps "Mission: Impossible" is a television series remake starring Tom Cruise 'over there'?

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A Succession of Events

[CENTER]If you really pay close attenthion to the clues "Fringe" and its online companions gave us, you could put together quite an insightful theoretical chronological overview of events in the alternate universe going as far back as 1775.

You'll have to fill in the rest of the blanks yourself![CENTER]

1775 - The American Revolution begins.
Fringe Episode 222: "Over There: Part 2" - Fringe222 019 - Fringe Files

1776 - The Declaration of Independence is signed.
Fringe Episode 222: "Over There: Part 2" - Fringe222 019 - Fringe Files

War of 1812
Clue: William Bell's New York Post Newspaper article refers to war.
FringeS2Newspaper03.jpg (image)

President James Madison March 4, 1809 – March 4, 1817
Clue: William Bell's New York Post Newspaper article refers to Madison.
FringeS2Newspaper03.jpg (image)

1820 - Andrew Jackson is never elected president. (No word on who was).

The Fillmore $100 Bill
1850s - Millard Fillmore may have been assassinated, in Abraham Lincoln's place.

October 28, 1886 - The Statue of Liberty dedicated in a monument commemorating the centennial of the signing of the United States Declaration of Independence. Given to the United States by the people of France to represent the friendship between the two countries established during the American Revolution.

1908 - The Grand Hotel, by Antoni Gaudi, opens in New York City.

March 1, 1932 - The Lindbergh kidnapping never happens.

May 6, 1937 - The Hindenburg disaster never happens.
Clue: Passenger zeppelins are still in use 'over there'.

October 3, 1941 - "The Maltese Falcon" is released. Cary Grant is known for saying "the stuff dreams made of" instead of Humphrey Bogart.

November 26, 1942 - "Casablanca" is released starring Ronald Reagan and ends happily with the two running away together.

1940s - A'World War II' is faught.

1943 - Walter's father Robert Bishoff (a German scientist who defected to the United States in 1943 and anglicised his name to Bishop) while in Berlin creates, along with Nazi scientist Alfred Hoffman, a chemical agent that, once heated as a gas, could be used to target any specific trait using DNA from the target subject. The Nazis successfully test an anti-aging serum on Hoffman. Bishoff knew of the alternate universe and created the toxin 'over there'. Hoffman was a Nazi scientist from the alternate universe. Bishoff returned to this universe and Hoffman followed him 'over here' with the ingredients for the toxin and the anti-aging serum.
Clue: Bishoff created the toxin in 1943, long before DNA was even discovered, and Nazi scientists 'over here' were not scientifically advanced enough to create an anti-aging serum.
Hoffman targeted Jews and non-Jews alike. This gives credence to the idea that perhaps Nazi Germany did not specifically single out all Jews in the alternate universe. (Speculative) The Bishop Revival

1948 - Truman is elected president.
Clue: William Bell's New York Post Newspaper article refers to Truman.
FringeS2Newspaper03.jpg (image)

The Nixon Silver Dollar. Counterpart to the JFK half dollar?

1960 - Richard Nixon defeats John Kennedy is presidential election.

Novermber 22, 1963 - Nixon is assassinated in Dallas, South Texas.
Nixon's running mate Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. assumes the presidentcy.

1964 - John Kennedy runs again and defeats Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. in presidential election.

No Vietnam War
Clue: Executive producers Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman 2010 interview: The Aruba War is the alt-verse’s version of the Vietnam War. “On the other side, Aruba was a seat of power at one point,” Pinkner says, adding that, as in Vietnam’s case, few would’ve guessed that a seemingly insignificant country on the geopolitical landscape would turn out to be one of the “most powerful, emotional conflicts in our society.” Adds Wyman, “Things that seem insignificant, viewed through a different perspective, could be incredibly important.”
https://nypost.com/2010/10/31/fringe-goes-over-there/

September 8, 1966 - "Star Trek" premieres.
Clue: A "Star Trek" movie was No.1 at the box office in May 2009.
FringeS2Newspaper04.jpg (image)

April 4, 1968 - Martin Luther King, Jr. is not assassinated in Memphis, Tennessee.

June 5, 1968 - Since JFK is still president, RFK has no reason to run and is never assassinated in Los Angeles. Still Attorney General or perhaps Secretary of State by now.

1968 - JFK is re-elected president.

LBJ never becomes president.

January 12, 1969 - The debut studio album by Led Zeppelin has a different cover.

February 21, 1972 - Kennedy becomes the first U.S. president to visit China.

March 29, 1972 - The Transamerica Pyramid opens in New York City.

The Martin Luther King, Jr. (Juinor) $20 Bill

According to the clues "Fringe" gave us, if MLK had ever been elected the first black president of the United States, it would have been in November 1972. Probably a two-term president as JFK was.

No Watergate.

No Ford administration.

August 14, 1975 - The "Rocky Horror Picture Show" premieres.
Clue: When alternate Olivia and Frank are awakened by a videophone, the ringtone plays the song "Science Fiction/Double Feature" from The Rocky Horror Picture Show. ("Over There: Part 2")

February 8, 1976 - "Taxi Driver", directed by Francis Ford Coppola, premieres in theaters.

1976 - MLK re-elected president.

No Carter administration.

May 25, 1977 - "Star Wars" premieres in theaters. (Perhaps the entire film series that followed as well).
Clue: Henry Higgins uses the phrase "Jedi mind trick". (Olivia)

1980 - Ronald Reagan is elected president.
Clue: 1985 NEWSCAST: it's been six months since Peter Bishop disappeared, But authorities still have no ideas. The sympathy of the world goes out to Dr. Walter Bishop And his devoted wife, as the entire nation remains aghast at the kidnapping of their only son. Dr. Bishop, the architect of the famed Star Wars defense system that protects our nation, and his wife made an emot-- (S3-EP-15 "Subject 13").

December 8, 1980 - John Lennon is never assassinated in New York City.
Clue: John Lennon announces Beatles reunion tour in 2009. George Harrison would have to be alive for this one as well.
William Bell's New York Post Newspaper

January 28, 1984 - NASA successfully launches the first teacher into space, Christa McAuliffe, on the tenth mission of the Space Shuttle Challenger. (Peter)

1984 - Reagan is re-elected president.

July 3, 1985 - "Back to the Future" starring Eric Stoltz is released. (Peter)
(No word on whether "Back to the Future II" or "Back to the Future III" were ever made.

1985 - The Blight begins.

1988 - George H.W. Bush is elected president.
Clue: George, Jr. eventually becomes president.
William Bell's New York Post Newspaper article states Laura Bush as the former occupant before Michelle Obama.
FringeS2Newspaper03.jpg (image)

1989 - Bush signs the Earth Protection Act.

October 17, 1989 - The Harvard Yard Incident. Harvard Yard campus at Harvard University in Boston is encased in quarantine amber with people inside.

December 2, 1990 - The East River Vortex in New York City kills 165. (No details even given as to who died).

1991 - Bush signs the Peter Bishop Act.

December 26, 1991 - The Soviet Union is not dissolved.

1992 - Bill Clinton elected president.
Clue: Chelsea Clinton running for president in 2036. She would have most likely been running to follow in her dad's footsteps.("Liberty")

September 10, 1993 - "The X-Files" premieres.
Clue: The shape-shifter from the alternate universe that kills Lloyd Parr and duplicates his body 'appears' to recognize the series playing on TV.

1995 - Walternate writes and publishes "ZFT-The Natural Decay Of Our World".

1996 - Clinton re-elected president.

Sometime between 1998 and 2000 - The FBI is replaced by Fringe Division.

1999 - 10, 000 are encased in quarantine amber at Madison Square Garden in New York City. (No indication of what event was taking place at the time).

2000 - "Chinese Democracy" from Guns N' Roses released. (Released eight years earlier due to Slash never having left the band in the first place).
Clue: William Bell's New York Post Newspaper

September 22, 2000 - "The West Wing" premieres.
Premiered on September 22, 1999 'over here'. Would have had to premiere a year later to have had their eleventh season opener in 2010. ('Over There, Part 2").

2000 - George W. Bush is elected president. (Doubtful a recount election would have been needed 'over there'.

2001 - Sheep become extinct due to the infestation of skelter beetles. (No details ever given on how this affected the world economy).

The 9/11 Attacks

One would assume that President George W. Bush was assassinated in the 9/11 attack on the White House.

However, William Bell's New York Post Newspaper article states Laura Bush as the former occupant before Michelle Obama.
FringeS2Newspaper03.jpg (image)

I believe American Airlines Flight 11, United Airlines Flight 175, and Shanksville, Pennsylvania were also sparred along with the World Trade Center.

I believe that only American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon and United Airlines Flight 93 crashed into the White House on September 11, 2001.

Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at the first-floor level fully penetrating into the building's five rings unleashing a fireball that rose 200 feet above the building and igniting a flash fire that spread quickly throughout the building.

The 9/11 attack on the Pentagon was much worse 'over there' than here.

I believe this because of something Walternate said to Peter in ("Over There Part 2"):
Clue: SECRETARY BISHOP: That's fair enough. But there have been break-throughs on the the other side in science and engineering that -- that we haven't achieved yet. And these are things that you understand. The schematic I left with your mother...?

I believe Walternate was referring to the 9/11 attacks on the Pentagon and the White House.

I did some research on where many were at the time of the 9/11 attacks in New York City 'over here'. First Lady Laura Bush was at the Capitol at the time of the attacks preparing to brief the Senate Education Committee on the findings of the early childhood development conference that she’d held in July 2001 and the Bushs' sororal twin daughters, Barbara Pierce Welch Bush and Jenna Bush-Hager, who were students at Yale and the University of South Texas at Austin, were both away at school. President George W. Bush was in Sarasota, Florida at Emma E. Booker Elementary School conducting a reading seminar to 2nd graders to promote his education bill. Vice-President Richard Cheany, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and National Security Advisor Colin Powell were all at the White House. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfield was at the Pentagon.

This same scenario could have played out in the alternate universe, only with Vice-President Richard Cheany, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and National Security Advisor Colin Powell dying in the 9/11 attack on the White House.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfield died in the attack on the Pentagon and Walternate replaced him as Secretary of Defense when the agency moved to Liberty Island in New York City after the Pentagon was completely destroyed in the 9/11 attacks.

"Fringe" never disclosed how many died in the alternate 9/11 attacks or what the end result of the Afghanistan War was 'over there'.

The Auruban War appears to be a recent one (early 2000s to present?) by the looks of a young looking Auruban War Vet. ("The Plateau"). 2010
Could have been fought in place of the The Iraq War.

2004 - Bush, Jr. is re-elected president.

August 29, 2005 - Katrina never hits New Orleans.
Clue: New Orleans Makes Bid for 2016 Summer Games in 2009. Fastest growing city in the South to "strut its stuff" says Mayor Lagasse.
City wouldn't be able to"strut its stuff" to bid for the 2016 Summer Games in 2009 if ravaged by a hurricane just four years earlier. Also Ray Nagin is not mayor at the time, instead it is New Orleans food entrepreneur Emil Lagasse.
William Bell's Alternate New York Post.

2008 - Barack Obama is elected president. The second person with black heritage to do so.
JFK is UN Ambassador.

May 12, 2009 - Wall Street is closed down for at least 21 days. (Could have been repercussions stemming from the 2008 Financial Crisis under George W. Bush administration).
http://www.syfy.com/sites/blastr/fil...x210-22004.jpg

May 12, 2009 - Boston Celtics sweep a NBA playoff series with Len Bias as MVP. (Bias does not die from cocaine overdose in 1986).
http://www.syfy.com/sites/blastr/fil...x210-22004.jpg

2009 - Obamas move into rebuilt new White House with glass roof.

September 22, 2009 - "Lost" premieres.
Premiered over here on September 22, 2004.
Would have had to premiere five years later for deleted scene from Season 1 to air in 2010. In it we see a quick shot of Australian Claire Littleton, and Seth Norris, indicating that Australia also exists in the alternate universe. (The Man from the Other Side)

September 23, 2010 - The White House announced that President Obama has chosen former President John F. Kennedy to lead the government's new agency aimed at slowing ecological breakdown. President Kennedy plans to step down from his role as U.N. Ambassador... (S3-EP1 "Olivia")

2010 - Red Vines hit the market.

May 6, 2011 - The altered timeline begin.

2012 - The Blight ends.

2012 - The Department of Containment begins to deamber affected areas.

Clue: SECRETARY BISHOP (video file): This is a turning point in our history. In the last week alone, eleven previously uninhabitable zones have been reopened. Our cities are healing. Our world is being restored. But the process will take time. So, as we celebrate this recovery, let us never forget those we've lost. Thank you, everyone.


2012 - Madison Square Garden and the Harvard Yard campus at Harvard University in Boston and deambered and the 10, 000+ encased in quarantine amber released.

2016 - Hillary Clinton defeats Donald Trump in the presidential election.
Clue: Chelsea Clinton running for president in 2036. ("Liberty") She would have more likely been running to follow in her mom's footsteps than her dad's.

Somtime between 2012 and 2036 - The Pentagon reopens. (Liberty)

*It is to be assumed that Martin Luther King Jr lived a long productive life and died a peaceful death years later, as symbolized by the Martin Luther King /Eldridge Cleaver Memorial Park. The same would apply to Eldridge Cleaver.

*The state of South Texas could be a subtle clue that Waco never happened on April 19, 1993.

*The state of Midland could be a subtle clue that the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995 never happened.

*The state of Southern British Columbia (Washington) could be a subtle clue that Kurt Cobain of Nirvana never committed suicide on April 8, 1994 and that a "Northern British Columbia" could exist in Canada.

And so on and so forth...

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