[Seersha]

So the Alt-Universe has technology to accelerate pregnancies???? And it seemed like everyone knew about the technology since it was talked about openly. But really, if that was possible, I wonder how many women would be like, "Hell yeah just get it over with?" It looked painful to be honest - they were talking about stretching bones and stuff.

[sniffles]

Holy Cow, Lincoln is one hot tamale!! I was a fan of Charlie's in season 1 and I'm so happy I get to see him in the other universe. Seriously, Seth Gabel is gorgeous

[Tomorrow's skies]

Originally Posted by Seersha (View Post) So the Alt-Universe has technology to accelerate pregnancies???? And it seemed like everyone knew about the technology since it was talked about openly. But really, if that was possible, I wonder how many women would be like, "Hell yeah just get it over with?" It looked painful to be honest - they were talking about stretching bones and stuff.

I don't think it's common, could be like cloning here; we've all heard of it, but aren't likely to be affected by it ourselves

[sofiab]

Originally Posted by Seersha (View Post) So the Alt-Universe has technology to accelerate pregnancies???? And it seemed like everyone knew about the technology since it was talked about openly. But really, if that was possible, I wonder how many women would be like, "Hell yeah just get it over with?" It looked painful to be honest - they were talking about stretching bones and stuff.

I don’t think I would like that option if it meant to have my pelvis stretched Unless I was totally sedated.

Technologically they seem to be more advanced, but they still have diseases that are controlled over here.

Have you wondered how that device they wear on their ear works? It’s easy when they’re on the receiving end, but how do they make the call?

[Ironhorse25]

The alternate flag of the United States as seen in S2-EP19 "The Man from the Other Side" shows 48 stars.

However, the map of the alternate United States on the wall of Secretary alternate Walter Bishop's office at the Department of Defense on Liberty Island, near the bronze Statue of Liberty in New York City, in S2-EP22 and S2-EP23 ("Over There Pts 1 and 2") as it is constructed shows only 45 states.

Areas such as Independent Nevada, Loiusiana Territory, Southern British Columbia and the District of Virginia have no special demarcations to indicate that they are not states, so one would have to assume that they are.

1. Alabama
2. Arizona
3. Arkansas
4. California-geographically smaller.
5. Carolina-North and South combined into one state.
6. Colorado
7. Connecticut
8. Delaware
9. District of Virginia-West Virginia and Virginia combined into one state.
10. Florida
11. Georgia
12. Dakota-North and South combined into one state.
13. Idaho
14. Illinois
15. Indiana
16. Independent Nevada-instead of Nevada.
17. Iowa
18. Midland-where Oklahoma and Kansas are in this universe.
19. Kentucky
20. Louisiana Territory-instead of Lousiana.
21. Maine
22. Maryland
23. Massachusetts
24. Michigan-Upper Peninsula not included in U.S. map. Would have to be part of Canada instead in the alternate universe.
25. Minnesota
26. Mississippi
27. Missouri
28. Montana
29. Nebraska
30. New Hamshire
31. New Jersey
32. New Mexico
33. New York
34. North Texas-divided into two states, North and South.
35. Ohio
36. Oregon
37. Pennsylvania
38. Rhode Island
39. Southern British Columbia-where the state of Washington is in this universe.
40. South Texas-divided into two states, North and South.
41. Tennessee
42. Utah
43. Vermont
44. Wisconsin
45. Wyoming

Which left us with another unanswered question-Where and what were the three missing states?

We do know that Hawaii exists, S2-EP15 "Jacksonville", because coffee is smuggled in from there. We are to assume that it is still a U.S. territory along with Alaska because we are never told its status 'over there' and neither are on the alternate U.S. map.

The map in the Secretary of Defense's office is labeled Department of Defense. True it is not evident that the map is a complete representation of alternate United States internal and external borders, it could simply be a map of Department of Defense jurisdictional boundaries.

If that would be the case however, why would any state not be under the protection of the Department of Defense?

Alaska and Hawaii are still either U.S territories in the alternate universe or Alaska could still be owned by the "Soviet Union" and Hawaii could be an independent country 'over there'.

If Hawaii was under the domain of another country, it is unlikely that they would be so freely smuggling coffee into the United States.

There is no mention of the status of the District of Columbia in the alternate universe either even though we know that Washington, D.C. exists 'over there' for the White House was destroyed in the alternate 9/11 attacks and later rebuilt with a new glass dome and we have seen the golden Capitol Building with a zeppelin hovering over to boot, S3-EP1 "Olivia".

The District of Columbia could be a state because of the existence of the District of Virginia over there. However, that still only gives the alternate United States 46 states with two still unaccounted for.

Any theories or speculation on what the other three states might be?

[Ironhorse25]

In the episode "The Abducted", on the taxi that Henry Higgins was driving was an advertisement for LINGG EYE GROUP - a Division of Keaton Robotics.

Could this also have been a clue that blindness had been eradicated in the alternate universe as well?

Because the ad appears to be promoting robotic eyes that could possibly mean artificial eyeball implants to correct vision.

[Ironhorse25]

In the alternate universe McDonald's does not use the Golden Arches for a logo (not on top anyway) as shown in "Over There, Part 1".

So are those french fries or some sort of crown on top 'over there'?

[Ironhorse25]

A reason was never given as to exactly why the World Trade Center Twin Towers were never destroyed in the alternate universe. My theory is that alternate Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda was more militarized 'over there' and targeted only military and government facilities and were not interested in civilian targets, hence the Pentagon and the White House vs. the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon over here.

And since "Fringe" co-creator Roberto Orci indicated that the alternate universe is meant to be somewhat more "hopeful" than this one, there would be a stronger inclination that a more militarized and possibly humane Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda just never targeted the World Trade Towers and never hijacked American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175.

What do you think?

[FoxPhile]

Originally Posted by Ironhorse25 (View Post) In the episode "The Abducted", on the taxi that Henry Higgins was driving was an advertisement for LINGG EYE GROUP - a Division of Keaton Robotics. Could this also have been a clue that blindness had been eradicated in the alternate universe as well? Because the ad appears to be promoting robotic eyes that could possibly mean artificial eyeball implants to correct vision.

Considering the state of my vision, I'd love it if blindness is eradicated. Although robotic eyes doesn't necessarily mean that blindness is eradicated. There are many cases of blindness that have nothing to do with the eyeball. In my personal case - I'm blind in one eye - it's because of deterioration of the optic nerve caused by antibiotics my mother took while she was pregnant. A robotic eyeball wouldn't actually be of any help to me.

[Ropetuned]

Originally Posted by FoxPhile (View Post) Considering the state of my vision, I'd love it if blindness is eradicated. Although robotic eyes doesn't necessarily mean that blindness is eradicated. There are many cases of blindness that have nothing to do with the eyeball. In my personal case - I'm blind in one eye - it's because of deterioration of the optic nerve caused by antibiotics my mother took while she was pregnant. A robotic eyeball wouldn't actually be of any help to me.

Oh no that sucks

Barring any breakthrough in science is the blindess in that eye going to be permanent? Will it end up affecting the other eye?

[@l3jandra]

Damn all those posts So many things to think about!!

[FoxPhile]

Originally Posted by Ropetuned (View Post) Oh no that sucks Barring any breakthrough in science is the blindess in that eye going to be permanent? Will it end up affecting the other eye?

Yes, the blindness is permanent - but it's been that way since I was born, so I don't really know any different. In fact, if there was a breakthrough, it wouldn't be advisable for me because my brain could not adapt to getting vision from both eyes - I'd probably wind up with double vision. It affects the other eye only in that the other eye works harder, and so my eyes get tired faster. I do have to be a lot more careful about the good eye - making sure I don't injure it or overwork it - because it's all I've got.

On the World Trade Center post - my question would be, what about the other plane? Assuming that one flight still plowed into the field in Pennsylvania, there were TWO planes intended for the WTC. Were there only 3 planes in the alternate universe or was there another target for the 4th plane? If there was another target, what was it? Was it hit? Was that plane also taken over?

I also wonder about the 3,000 people that are alive in the alternate universe while their counterparts over here are not. I'm sure there are a lot of people like that in both universes, but this is a particular block of people - who all worked in a small group of businesses, etc. That had to have had some interesting effects.

[Ironhorse25]

Originally Posted by FoxPhile (View Post) Yes, the blindness is permanent - but it's been that way since I was born, so I don't really know any different. In fact, if there was a breakthrough, it wouldn't be advisable for me because my brain could not adapt to getting vision from both eyes - I'd probably wind up with double vision. It affects the other eye only in that the other eye works harder, and so my eyes get tired faster. I do have to be a lot more careful about the good eye - making sure I don't injure it or overwork it - because it's all I've got. On the World Trade Center post - my question would be, what about the other plane? Assuming that one flight still plowed into the field in Pennsylvania, there were TWO planes intended for the WTC. Were there only 3 planes in the alternate universe or was there another target for the 4th plane? If there was another target, what was it? Was it hit? Was that plane also taken over? I also wonder about the 3,000 people that are alive in the alternate universe while their counterparts over here are not. I'm sure there are a lot of people like that in both universes, but this is a particular block of people - who all worked in a small group of businesses, etc. That had to have had some interesting effects.

I believe Flight 93 crashed into the White House and life continued normally for the near 3,000 at the World Trade Center.

[Ironhorse25]

Originally Posted by @l3jandra (View Post) Damn all those posts So many things to think about!!

I have more.

[Ironhorse25]

Agent Lincoln-Lee was originally introduced in "Over There, Part 1", when the Fringe division of our universe goes to 'the other side' to get Peter back. The showdown between the two Fringe divisions leaves Lee with third degree burns covering 90% of his body. Thanks to the advanced nanotechnology known in the alternate universe, Lee doesn’t stay away from duty for long, and after a three months medical treatment he is completely recovered.

In "Over There, Part 2" Walter recovers in the hospital from hemorrhagic shock... the type of shock associated with severe gunshot wounds to the abdomen (from a shoot out). Different type drugs and accelerated healing techniques 'over there' saved him.

In "Olivia" Daily airline passenger spaceflights to the moon are available to the public.

In the episode "The Abducted" on the taxi that Henry Higgins was driving was an advertisement for LINGG EYE GROUP - a Division of Keaton Robotics which appears to be promoting robotic eyes that could possibly mean artificial eyeball implants to correct vision.

In "Everything In Its Right Place" the newspaper Manhatan Courier has moving pictures on its front page featuring an article from Friday, November 12, 2004 about fighter Jorge Garcia winning a boxing match in 14 rounds.

In a real time scenario you can bet your bottom dollar Olivia & Company would have sent special FBI research teams from our universe to the alternate universe to gather all the data they could to harness this and other technologies from their universe to ours. They would have most definately have gathered information on their history as well including the World Trade Center Twin Towers still standing.

Just a little oversight on our FBI Fringe team's part.

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Alternate Olivia and Alternate Lincoln Lee act like they’ve never heard of Batman in "Everything In Its Right Place", yet it was established in "Over There, Part 2" that the character does exist over there (he’s depicted in two of the alternate comic book covers hanging in the high-tech state-of-the art apartment that Walternate set up for him in lower Manhatan.)

"Everything In Its Right Place" excerpt:

Our Lincoln Lee: "Maybe Batman's moved to the Bronx."

Alternate Olivia: "What's a Batman?"

Our Lincoln Lee: "The Caped Crusader, the Dark Knight. Billionaire playboy puts on a cape to clean up the streets of Gotham."

Alternate Lincoln Lee: "Oh, you mean Mantis."

Our Lincoln Lee: "Seriously? Your superhero is an insect?"

Alternate Olivia: Oh, what, 'cause nothing says badasslike a flying rat.

When Peter zapped himself out of existence did he also take Batman with him?

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It was first disclosed in S3-EP13 "Immortality" that sheep went extinct in the alternate universe in 2001.

This would have had a great impact on several worldwide industries 'over there'.

If sheep went extinct, so would have lamb, since it is the word for a young sheep. Lamb is also the meat of domestic sheep.

Lamb is often sorted into three kinds of meat: forequarter, loin, and hindquarter. The forequarter includes the neck, shoulder, front legs, and the ribs up to the shoulder blade. The hindquarter includes the rear legs and hip. The loin includes the ribs between the two.

Meat from sheep features prominently in several cuisines of the Mediterranean. Lamb is very popular in Central Asia and in certain parts of China, where other red meats may be avoided for religious or economic reasons. It is also very popular in Australia. Barbecued lamb is also a specialty in some areas of the United States and Canada.

Delicacies that would have been affected in the alternate universe include:

Lamb chops, which are cut from the rib, loin, and shoulder areas. The rib chops include a rib bone; the loin chops include only a chine bone. Shoulder chops are usually considered inferior to loin chops; both kinds of chops are usually grilled. Breast of lamb (baby chops) can be cooked in an oven.

Leg of lamb, which is a whole leg; saddle of lamb is the two loins with the hip. Leg and saddle are usually roasted, though the leg is sometimes boiled.

Forequarter meat of sheep includes more connective tissue than some other cuts, and, if not from a young lamb, is best cooked slowly using either a moist method, such as braising or stewing, or by slow roasting or American barbecuing. It is, in some countries, sold already chopped or diced.

Lamb shank, which is cut from the arm of shoulder, contains leg bone and part of round shoulder bone, and is covered by a thin layer of fat and fell (a thin, paper-like covering). Lamb shank is a cut of meat from the upper part of the leg.

Macon, a bacon substitute.

Lamb tongue, a popular Middle Eastern cuisine, is served both as a cold cut and in preparations like stews.

Another industry that would have been affected would have been the clothing industry.

Sheepskin is the hide of a sheep, sometimes also called lambskin. Unlike common leather, sheepskin is tanned with the fleece intact, as in a pelt.

Sheepskin is used to produce sheepskin leather products and soft wool-lined clothing or coverings, including gloves, hats, slippers, footstools, automotive seat covers, sheepskin rugs, lambskin rugs, medical sheepskins and pelts.

Sheepskin numnahs, saddle pads, saddle seat covers, sheepskin horse boots, tack linings and girth tubes are also made and used in horseback riding.

The fleece of sheepskin has excellent insulating properties and it is also resistant to flame and static electricity. Wool is considered by the medical profession to be hypoallergenic.

Testing at the Royal Melbourne Hospital and the CSIRO Textile and Fibre Technology Leather Research Centre in Melbourne, Australia confirmed the advantages of medical sheepskin in the prevention and treatment of pressure ulcers.

Wool is the textile fiber obtained from sheep.

Sheepskin coats, vests, and boots are common in the traditional dress of peoples throughout the Old World (wherever sheep are raised). They seem to be especially popular in Eastern European and Northern Asia.

In the English-speaking world, one may speak of a shearling coat.

Did lamb delicacies, sheepskin products and the wool industry go the way of sheep in the alternate universe? Or did they find ways to imitate authentic lamb, sheepskin and wool products?

Religion:

Based upon John the Baptist's reference in John 1:29 to Jesus ("Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world"), the Agnus Dei liturgy (text) used in the Roman Catholic and Episcopal Church
reads,

Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.

Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.

Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world, grant us peace.

How did the extinction of sheep effect religious liturgy, if at all?

Lamb is also served in various Jewish celebrations including Passover.

Medical:

Testing at the Royal Melbourne Hospital and the CSIRO Textile and Fibre Technology Leather Research Centre in Melbourne, Australia confirmed the advantages of medical sheepskin in the prevention and treatment of pressure ulcers.

Without medical sheepskin, how are pressure ulcers now treated in the alternate universe?

And what about the old wives' cure for insomnia to count bouncy little sheep leaping over a fence? What do people count 'over there' now to fall asleep? Elephants?

Small kids in our universe love dinosaurs, maybe kids in the AU play with toy sheep.

*If our universe had donated a flock of sheep from 'over here' to replenish and repopulate sheep herds 'over there', it would have been a successful venture.

Confirmation that Skelter Beetles, who lived exclusively in sheep, and had gotten revived by mad scientist Dr. Armand Silva through infecting and killing human hosts with the bugs to continue to find a cure for the Avian Flu, were made extinct again by his death and that of the last queen skelter beetle, who infected him before his death.

Good thing skelter beetles don't exist in this universe!

I wonder what Armand Silva does in this universe.

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In the alternate universe in the early-to-mid-1980’s Walternate created the Star Wars Missile Defense System for president Ronald Reagan.

1985 NEWSCAST: it's been six months since Peter Bishop disappeared, But authorities still have no ideas. The sympathy of the world goes out to Dr. Walter Bishop And his devoted wife, as the entire nation remains aghast at the kidnapping of their only son. Dr. Bishop, the architect of the famed Star Wars defense system that protects our nation, and his wife made an emot-- (S3-EP-15 "Subject 13").

However, Bishop is U.S. Secretary of Defense under the Barack Obama administration and is good buddies with the still alive former president, U.N. Ambassador, and current head of a new agency aimed at slowing ecological breakdown John F. Kennedy. ( S2-EP23 "Over There, Part 2")

The White House announced that President Obama has chosen former President John F. Kennedy to lead the government's new agency aimed at slowing ecological breakdown. President Kennedy plans to step down from his role as U.N. Ambassador... (S3-EP1 "Olivia")

How can this be?

Ronald Reagan was (is) a republican while John F. Kennedy and Barack Obama are both democrats.

Either:

A. Walternate switched American political parties and became a democrat sometime between 1985 and 2009.

B. Walternate is bipartisan and so is the position of U.S. Secretary of Defense in the alternate universe.

C. Ronald Reagan was (is) a democrat in the alternate universe.

D. John F. Kennedy and Barack Obama are both republicans in the alternate universe.

E. All are (were) members of that "Third Party" that exists in the alternate universe.

RADIO BROADCAST: ...polls show that most Americans oppose the proposed law to limit the number of children to two per family... however, leading politicians from two of the three major parties favor the law... (S3-EP7 "The Abducted").