ellen-cheerleaderx

okay i agree naomi is being a huge bitch & like i said i feel bad for annie but if we're going by what they "know", as far as naomi knows annie did sleep with liam. and naomi is really insecure about that because annie got with ethan too (who was also a cheat, though not annie's fault in the slightest). cut her some slack people, she got her heart broken & shes emoing the best way she knows how...lashing out!

eternalnoob

Well Naomi herself admitted to having doubts about even after Annie said she did it just to get her not to send the text. And then Liam said it wasn't Annie. So to me, she's just being stupid and weak minded by letting Jen manipulate her mind with some halfassed story about their mother being optimistic. I mean really? I was just sooo turned off by her.

ellen-cheerleaderx

gotta admit those are very valid points, its like shes convinced herself there is no way its NOT annie which is really unfair considering how good of a friend annie has been to her . but i'm still not too pissed at naomi LOL jens the only family she thinks she can count on..what do you call that thing again when you only see what you wanna see, naomi so has that with jen!

Abby2*

I don't think she's weak minded at all. Whether or not she was having doubts, It doesn't change anything. I think what her sister said got to her but at the same time, why should she believe anything from Annie. I mean seriously, it would not be the first time Annie has done something to her so why should she trust her word. And couple that with the fact that Liam wouldn't tell who it was. So I don't see what's weak minded about that, and that story might be halfassed to you put it's a huge part of Naomi's character ever since season one. She did not like the way her father cheated on her mother and how her mother was complacent about it. So yeah, I tend to believe she would not want to be like her. Hence, it's the perfect emotion for Jen to play on.

same old story

As I'm watching:

- Silver already sounds pathetic, wanting to talk to him now.
- OMG, Teddy's dancing with the cheerleaders. So much hateeeeeeeeeeee.
- Lame bathroom scene is lame. Naomi is so overdramatic and ridic.
- Liam gets like no sympathy from me. Just freaking say what happened, loserface.
- Liam's mom is pretty and seems familiar. Again, just say what happened, you idiot.
- Silver's message was kinda sweet, but it could have gotten pathetic, but it was saved with Jess's ~comedy skills.
- I honestly GROANED when Ryan's dopey face came on my screen. I forgot he existed. So much hate.
- Rumor is actually perfectly fine, go her. Navid already bugs. But Teddy does too, so I feel his pain.
- Aw, FOR A SPLIT SECOND I felt bad for Annie when Silver told her, just because I imagined being in her place and just, like how absolutely horrible her life is atm, and how it just keeps getting worse. But then I remembered that she brought 80% of it upon herself, and got over that real quickly.
- Dixon was wrong for not saying anything to her, BUT, I think it was fine because he looked really conflicted and guilty about it, he didn't really not care, like it seemed in the sides.
- Wow, Navid. Really, you were gonna print the Annie story just because of Teddy? Pathetic.
- Lolololols @ Pa Kent in a suit with a purple shirt/tie. Wut. Where's your flannel?
- Also, lols at Liam having to sleep in a tent and talk about his feelings. Omg, that dramatic ending of him was so overdramatic. Fail.
- OMG, I hate Teddy soooooooo much, omg, omg. He isn't even saying anything, and I hate him. Mmm, talking and I hate him even more. His voice is so old, just like his face. His ~concern is so annoying. Way to be annoying with everything you do, fool.
- Oh yeah, Harry is the principal. I was trying to figure out why they were hanging out. But last I check, they kinda had a bit of a rocky relationship, because they had different views on things.
- I think they're doing a good job of making Annie sympathic even though she's a murderer. I think if I didn't hate her guts I might feel bad.
- Dixon surfing it so random. We get an explanation for the other two, but not for Dixon?! Fail.
- Aw, I don't usually care at all about male relationships, but I might be able to like/care about Dixon/Liam. If only because it's better than Dixon/Navid.
- So obviously not Tristan or Matt. Omg, shut up, Teddy.
- Wow, Liam sucks for not telling the truth to save Annie. Like, not telling the truth about Jen was retarded enough in the first place, but knowing how crappy Naomi is being to Annie, and he still isn't telling the truth? How is it complicated? Because Naomi will be upset that her sister is evil? Yeah, that would suck for her, but she should know now, instead of not knowing and 'letting' Jen screw her over behind her back.
- Teddy is perfect, Navid. Didn't you hear? Navid is a loser, damn.
- Naomi is the lamest of them all, I have to say. Like, sending out that text is pretty horrible for that person, like, it really would ruin someone's life, and all because you think she slept with a guy that wasn't really your boyfriend? PATHETIC.
- Really, she's paranoid, Navid? You deserve it, idiot.
- Omg, stop, Silver. Um, DUH, Naomi. That hug Dixon gave Liam when he made the team was ... awkward.
- Why are Jen and Ryan alive. Someone please tell me. Does a single person care or is entertained by them?
- Aw, I felt a little bad for Silver there. And, Dixon wasn't nearly as cold as I was expecting there. He told her it's over, really, what else can he do? And I hate the way Navid says Naomi's name. Nigh-omi.
- Oh. Okay. Don't feel too bad for Silver anyway, her bawling like she was just punched in the face was a bit much. Buttttttttttttt, I kinda liked seeing it. Since I'm sure by the end of, like, next episode, they'll be completely forgotten for a while.
- Nice apology, Navid. He is just getting worse and worse. I'm so glad I never liked him. I feel justified now.
- Flimsy reason for not telling, Liam. His anger and punch was ... no. Aw, I really like Naomi's mom. Which reminds me, I kinda miss Debbie? I'd take her over Ryan/Jen, anyway. She's super pretty.
- Sleeping with Liam HARDLY ruined her life. Not like sending that text would to Annie. Please, Naomi. Where the hell is Naomi's 23 year old mother, anyway? I remember she went somewhere randomly, but she's never coming back? Oh, it's just boobs? Hardly that bad. Silver/Dixon survived A SEXTAPE.
- Do not want, Silver/Annie, but at least Silver is being nice. Thank you for reminding her/the audience about the sextape.
- Omgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg. Annie. You are so freaking frustrating. You had a friend. YOU FINALLY HAD A FRIEND, omg, and you blow it because you're a freaking cry baby idiot. 'Think of all the things she's done to you'?! Really?! Not, idk, 'The guy that took the picture WARNED ME THAT NAOMI HAD THE PICTURE' or that you talked to her about?! You are such an idiot. You get no sympathy, losah.
- Lololololololol. See, this time, when the whole 'the hits just keep on coming' thing kicked in, I didn't feel bad. I just LOLed. See, you blew it big time, Annie. you ALMOST had me. Well, no, you didn't, but still. I wasn't loling at you. But I am now.
- I did love that ending those, with the little ~diddy in the background, Annie closing her eyes, fade to black. Looked cool.

Mayberry

I thought that was extremely interesting. Logically, it doesn't make much sense, but psychologically, emotionally, it works. I never thought of Jen going there, but it really did make sense. Naomi isn't particularly fond of her mother either, let's not forget. She up and left, letting her daughter live in a hotel for months. I don't know. I totally got that scene.

Don't side with Naomi or Annie really, but I've always liked everyone else much better anyways.

starlette318

Judging from Brit's summary it was a good episode minus not explaining Dixon surfing.

fox24

I don't agree with what Naomi did but I understand we saw in S1 how her Dad cheating affected her mother and how it affected Naomi's illusions of her parents marriage. Jen played on that so its natural why Naomi in a moment of weakness did it to not be "optimistic" like her mother.

Chastidy

I can't blieve I'm saying this as a fan of Naomi but...... I really liked this episode. In fact I think that I actually preferred it over the premiere. I liked how it was done and I thought that everyone did a good job. I thought that this episode was going to be a huge disaster like the The Dionysion Debacle or The Party's Over but it wasn't. Like last week, they succeeded in making me not hate anyone. I didn't like a few people and others anoyed me but it was all redeemable stuff.

I felt bad for Annie for most of the episode. I couldn't imagine how awful that would be. It's like my worst nightmare. I lved her one or two moments with Silver. Although I always feel that when it comes to their friendship that it's very one sided. I don't remember Annie ever really going out of her way to help Silver before yet it seems that Silver is always doing that for her. Now that Annie knows about Teddy, I wonder what will happen next... Shenae has goten so much better this season but I think a big part of that is the fact that she's not given so much to do other then look depressed and tear up. I still don't know if she could handle anything major...

I don't think that Dixon came off cold at all tonight. I think his feelings toward Silver are justified. I love Silver and honestly believe that she felt she was doing the right thing by not telling him about Ethan but then again if I was in Dixon's position, I would've reacted the exact same way. He just needs space and he wasn't an ass to her, he was just ignoring her. It's obviously his way of dealing with things. Loved the bit where he punched Mark as well. That just says that although he may be frustrated with Annie, he would still protect her in a flash. I didn't think that he was cold at all. In fact, I really liked him.

Naomi is evil!! No I don't mean that but it's going to be pretty hard to bounce back from the sext but hey, as someone already pointed out to me, if they can redeem Annie for a hit and run then htey can do anything . I loved her scene with Liam. Plus I loved her scenes with Annie too. Shocking I know but I thought that the tension was there. I really liked AL tonight. I admit that in the premiere I thought tht she over acted a bit but tonight I loved her. I didn't think that she was over the top. Her anger, from her point of view is justifiable and although the girls have said one or two nice things about Annie nobody is going to a huge effort to say that she didn't do it. I'm not saying that it's anyone else's obligation to try and defend Annie but I do think that it shows that Naomi's theory about her sleeping with Liam cannot be that far out of reach. Jen manipulating her was easy but I bought it. I always have thought that Naomi was similar to the mother and I always figured that this was Naomi's worst nightmare. The way her father treated her mother had a huge impact on her and I think it would be easy for Jen to prey on that. Of course I'm not saying that it's alright or in any way justified to send out a sext but I do think that the liitle things add up. Naomi adores Jen and hangs on her every word plus the fact that she's pretty vulnerable since Jen is all she has, Naomi is an easy target. I'm glad to see Naomi struggled with sending the sext. In the end though, I think Naomi has more issues with her homelife then she will ever have with Annie and I hope that at some point they are addressed. I don't really want to see her painted as the villain for the entire season. I'll also be sad to see the end of the Trio when she gets found out.

Silver was funny for most of the episode. I loved her attempt to get Dixon back. When Ade walked up behind her I major lol'd. I'm glad that she was there fr Annie and though the scene on the school corridor was really swee but I didn't get how Annie turned on her. Well I could see what Annie's logic would be at the time but she should have just explained that Naomi had a copy of the picture instead of storming off. It just bugs me sometimes that Annie is always written as justified when she lashes out when really she's not at all. Loved that Naomi and Ae were there for Silver and I'll be sad to see the end of Naomi and Silver's friendship which I think has been foreshadowed by Silver's doubts about Naomi.

Navid kind of annoyed me tonight. I mean I get that he's insecure but that interview? WTF? I felt for Teddy more so in that scene then anyone else. For the first part I was all team Navid because Adrianna was constantly singing Teddy's praises and I understood how that might make him feel a bit insecure but then he was telling her to not talk to him and all? His issues are with Adrianna and the fact that he doesn't trust her, not Teddy.

Loved Adrianna's scenes with Silver. I foresee the end of her and Navid looming. Oh dear! I liked her scene with Teddy too when she was talking about the baby. She never does wrong.

We finally got to see Liam's homelife. Can't say I'm surprised that he acts out and looks for attention. I love his stepfather though . Nice to see him hanging out with the guys though and his little fist pump when he made the surf team was cute. I love how Jen is screwing with him, well loving it in a hate sort of way. I feel bad for him but I loved his scene with Naomi and all his scenes that were about her. I also adored the bit about Chinese food. Cute! Wht I didn't love was the Annie thing because I really thought that he should have stepped up. If he had been honest then he could have prevented the sext. I know that he didn't know and that he doesn't want to hurt Naomi but what ggod is he doing by not admitting it? Naomi is still hurting and Annie's a pornstar plus he knows how horrible Jen is so he needs to be helping Naomi by telling her. Saving her feelings won't help.

I still like Teddy

Ryan and Jen gross me out. Ryan grosses me out.

I love Jen. She is a psycho but she does t so well in my opinion. She's so damn infuriatin and I love it

Where was Debbie?

Now that the sext thing is out? They need to stop making Annie redeemable through Naomi. I get that they need to make her more likeable but it's starting to drag on a bit and I'll be over it if they just have Naomi bitch at Annie again next week. It bugs me that the writers had Annie hit someone with their car and Naomi is the one suffering because of it

Plus, random but I love Mark! He's just so... dopey or something I would love to see him and Annie together more because he adds some much needed humour to her otherwise depressing scenes.

eternalnoob

Now this is just me but I find her story about her mother completely halfassed since for most of the season last yr, her mother was a non-issue. She was all upset at daddy and daddy's whore and then her mother just leaves after her supposed son is found out to be a conartist and we don't ever see her again. So for Jen to try and use her mother to influence Naomi's decision just seems so weak to me and of course Naomi would play into it because she's weak minded IMO. She's gonna be upset that Liam "cheated" on her yet she's perfectly fine with her sister using guys just for monetary gain? That makes absolutely no sense to me. Plus the whole story was to say that Naomi's just as complacent as her mother but the difference is Naomi and Liam aren't and weren't in a relationship so what the hell is Naomi being complacent about? Not sending that text doesn't equate her taking Liam back and it doesn't also mean she's forgiven Annie. It would mean she has some sense of morals and is actually mature enough to not do something like that over something so trivial. THAT'S why I think Naomi's weak minded.

Aside from all that, yeah, Annie has strikes on Naomi's board but Liam didn't at the time and he flat out told her it wasn't Annie. He even said, "yeah I slept with someone but it wasn't Annie" so why admit one thing but deny the other? And to top it all off with Silver's doubts running through her head and Annie having denied it all summer long, it should click in her head that 'hey, maybe she didn't sleep with the guy I'm obsessing over.'

Abby2*

Yeah, I don't think it's halfassed cause when she found out about her father's affair, she went and comforted her mother and was on her side, only to find out that her mother knew about the affair and has known for a long time and just let him do whatever he wants as long as he stayed with her. She then decided as any child would that her parents are meant to be and tried to get them back together, only to have it not work out and her mother abandoning her and selling their home and moving without even telling her daughter, so yeah I think that sticks in Naomi's mind. Plus let's not forget the whole Ethan thing, she was with this guy for a long time and he's up and chasing Annie around and she all trying to win him back and trying to get him to stay with her even though she knows he cheating on her with Annie.

And after all that, she doesn't want to just accept someone screwing her over. Plus one of the thing that Naomi has always stated is that she believes in monogamy and if you're with someone, you're with them and no one else.

Plus, I really don't buy all these stuff about Liam and Naomi not being in a relationship. Ok, then. But if you and a guy are starting to develop something and you think it's all roses and you walk into your bedroom after he's having slept with someone. Yeah it'll hurt, not only cause what they did was ****ed up but because it ruined something that was growing. Plus if she takes him back now or listen to him, like Jen suggested, she forgiving him and what makes her think he won't do it again.

Yeah, i still don't see why she should trust Annie's word. Sorry I just can't, once burned you have to tread lightly cause you can find yourself aflame again. Plus Liam might have said it wasn't Annie but how is Naomi not supposed to think he might be trying to protect her. I mean for all she knows, he slept with her, so why not protect her.

starlette318

BTW that voice, I 'm watching it on YT right now. That voice tone Adrianna does when she tells Silver 'Yeeeah' about it being Dixon she was calling, didn't that remind anyone of Summer from the OC? I know it did to me.

Chastidy

He didn't cheat. Annie was dishonest about starting a relationship with Ethan but it was never while Naomi and Ethan were together. Just saying becase you'll get eaten alive for sayng that

Agree with everything else... especially you Star

eternalnoob

I'm not saying she's supposed to just believe Annie but there's already things making her doubt Annie's guilt in this situation. Silver's ramblings, Liam flat out telling her Annie wasn't the one he slept with...all she found in the room was Annie's wrap, not an actual body. She has reasons to distrust Annie's claims of innocence but when the guy you were crushing on tells you straight that he slept with someone but not the girl you're accusing, wouldn't that kinda turn on a lightbulb in your head? Not to immediately believe her innocence but it really doesn't make sense why he would tell her the truth about one thing and lie about the other. Then that if he were lying, why would he try to save Annie when he has no allegiance to her whatsoever?

And again, what Jen said was that Naomi was being complacent about Liam but the text was regarding ANNIE. It had nothing at all to do with Liam so how does her being complacent in a relationship have anything at all to do with Annie's sext? Nothing because Liam's not an issue in that respect. Naomi never ever mentioned taking Liam back, the whole conversation arose from Naomi being in doubt about Annie's guilt so the story about her mother being optimistic and quiet about their fathers many indiscretions is out of left field and yet Naomi fell right for it. She's just weak to me, in every way and she continues to prove it in her actions that are supposed to be regarded as bitchy and proclaim her the HBIC on the show but it just makes her look pathetic, desperate and immature, IMO.

Chastidy

It's one of those things where we'll all never agree.

Some like Annie others prefer Naomi. Some see Naomi's actions as awful, others understand them.

Let's not bother debating who was right or wrong because we'll all never agree.

Let's just talk about other partsof the episode...