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Robert complaining to Aaron about Chrandy was annoying but personally I was more annoyed by the way he was ignoring Aaron so completely in favour of his childish complaining. You'd think he'd learn that yes Aaron will willingly listen to your problems however he has no wish to hear you complain about Chrissie's new relationship with Andy.
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Ah there that obnoxious man child again. Robert can get tunnel vision when it comes to things not being what he wants. And behave very badly indeed as shown by him walking away to Lawrence crumple on the floor. I'm putting that down to cheesy over the top soap writing. I can see that coming back to bite him with Vic and Aaron being angry with him for being so callous and selfish.
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I'm so annoyed with Robert's being used as a prop for the stupid coupling of Andy/Chrissie and the lot at Home Farm. Honestly I'm okay with some Robert villainy as long as it isn't directed at Aaron. Robert finding Lawrence and doing nothing was completely unnecessary to any & all storylines. Lawrence wasn't even aware Robert was there so I'm assuming it's another irrelevant plot device (much like the hitman he hired to kill Chas) and that it will have no affect on anything going forward. I guess a plus from the last few episodes is that aside from Chrissie's delusions of Robert being at fault for Andy's assault that literally no-one else thought Robert was responsible for that. Like Chas did make a comment questioning if he was to blame but once he said he wouldn't waste his time the look on Chas' face did look like she believed he had no involvement. __________________
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Well to be fair to Robert, I think anyone would be upset about their estranged brother having a relationship with their ex-wife. And Robert reacted like most people would have, though a bit childish, but true and honest. And staying true to who he is.
Even though he doesn't love Chrissie or want that life with her and heart and soul belongs to Aaron. He had poured a lot of himself into that relationship and it wasn't just for the money, power, and position he had with her. A part of him honestly thought he loved her enough to marry her and stay with her for the rest of their lives. Robert understands the Whites, he knew how to work in their twisted effed up family. After feeling the black sheep outsider/outcast in his own family. Belonging even though it was beyond bizarre must have felt good. Chrissie was beautiful, interesting, fun, and sexy. And he barely had to be there for Lachlan because Chrissie mainly gave that job to Lawrence. So he did have a pretty good life. Though it would never had worked even without Aaron, even if Robert had stayed, they would never have worked because the Whites and Chrissie and Robert were way too toxic. But it was his and now once again Andy has taken one more thing from him. It doesn't matter that he doesn't want any of that. That he's happier with just the mere hope of something with Aaron than he was with Chrissie. He needed to rant about his feelings let them out, Aaron could be a wall for the way Robert was blinded. I think we have all gotten that way about a sibling, or ex, or co-worker. It just gets under your skin and you word vomit all over the place because your just so angry, frustrated, and upset that you erupt and everything gets covered in your wake. Him reacting the way he did is a good thing, it shows he's human and complex with many complicated layers. Which is a soap is a very good thing. __________________
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I like that the one thing shining through clear as day about Robert having an issue with Andy/Chrissie dating is that it was obviously all about Andy and the deep seated issues between Robert/Andy going back years and years.
I feel like maybe even if you take away the factor of Andy easily getting what Robert worked years for that a more pressing resentment he could have over the relationship is that once again Andy would be seen by people (that were once of importance to Robert) as being the better man. Because thanks to Jack's favouritism of Andy growing up that has always been one of Robert's insecurities of being seen as less than compared to Andy. The new thing that annoys me the most about The Whites is how they are so hypocritical about the bad things Robert has done/been involved with when they themselves are capable of and guilty of much worse (IMO) and yet they use Robert's name as an insult toward each other as though he is the measuring stick of horribleness in their world. It's so laughably ridiculous. __________________
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It was rather amusing and a tad bit annoying that Chrissie assumed that Robert was upset and had Andy attacked because she assumed that he didn't want her to be happy and move on with her life. And I'm just shaking my head because Robert probably wouldn't have cared if Chrissie already had another toy boy in her bed and home since his only focus has been Aaron.
But it's the fact that it is Andy, those feelings run deep. Which is a bit of Jack's fault, things with Andy came so easy for Jack. While things with Robert just came harder and in a lot of ways Jack didn't handle things right at all. I think even if there hadn't been a Andy that Robert and Jack would still had difficulties because Robert didn't want a farmer's life and saw the world differently from Jack. He wanted different things than his father and I think that would have still caused problems in their relationship. I honestly am not that bothered by Robert not caring about Lawrence having his heart attack. I know he's a good man, his first instinct was to call for help. But he loathes Lawrence and the feeling is mutual. Lawrence would probably have acted the same and I believe Lawrence kinda did when he found out Robert had been shot. Though I think the show threw in the whole checking himself in the mirror to be camp and pay tribute to Kim Tate standing there doing nothing while Frank Tate died of a heart attack. Just thrown in to show that he's still a naughty boy. A bit of a thrown in leftover writing right before another big Robron week to remind us that Robert will always be a bad boy while he's also a good guy. Something we already knew, Robert is a complex and complicated layer character, which is a good thing. Robert is like a lot of complex characters before him like Cain. For example Cain is not a man to mess with, he's is loyal and good to those in his inner circle who he loves deeply. But to others, he's not know for being warm and fuzzy. Doesn't mean he's not a good man, or good to people around him. It just means he's best with those closest to him, like his wife, children, and family. Cain has calmed and settle with age and good influence, but people are still afraid of him and he can still cause some pretty serious damage. Robert is like that, he is good and loves deeply with the people closest to him. Doesn't mean he's willing or able to become Mr. Congeniality of the village. I'm sure with time and under Aaron and Vic's influence he will behave better. But Robert is Robert and he can still be a troublemaker bad boy and good man at the same time. __________________
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I agree, Robert/Jack's relationship would have been difficult regardless of Andy because setting aside their different aspirations for life Robert was still his fathers son. Robert and Jack were both ladies men who cheated on multiple partners that they had so for all the ways they weren't alike they were very much the same in that instance. Exactly!! There is no love lost between Robert and Lawrence so I 100% believe that Lawrence would have acted no different had the situation been reversed. Especially considering he just earlier been threatening to do worse to Robert than what he'd had done to Andy. Who is Kim Tate? I've heard the reference a lot but don't know anything about it. Your right Robert and Cain do have that in common of being a bad boy with a heart when it comes to the people that they genuinely & deeply love and care about. Aaron and Victoria have the strongest influence over Robert because more than anyone else their love for him is the most truly genuine and loving. __________________
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Kim Tate was before my time. But from my understanding, the Tates were one of the wealthy families that lived at HF. From what I can tell from the little I have seen, she was a typical soap mega bitch. Frank Tate was her husband, she apparently started out as his secretary. They had an affair while his wife was dying of cancer, Frank was old enough to be her father. They got married, I think for her it was mainly about money and power. They had a stormy relationship that I'm guessing got worse over time. Affairs helped to break up the marriage and they divorced. Later on, it was thought she had died in a car accident, when in reality it was another woman. She showed up at HF, the shock was too much for Frank (who had been under suspicion for her death) had a massive heart attack. She did nothing to help him, watching him die, saying "You're a dinosaur Frank and you know what happened to them." She then checked he was dead with her compact mirror, then coolly redid her make up. His son Chris blamed her for his father's death and swore revenge. Quote:
I wish Robert had a friend in the village. Sure the show hasn't been good with the friendship scenes of late, but he needs someone to talk to other than his lover and his little sister. A proper friendship who will still call him on his bs and be someone who understands him. Who he can genuinely talk to and get along with. I mean Aaron has Adam and Victoria has Finn. Robert should have someone. __________________
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So I was looking up Emmerdale on wikipedia to refresh myself on a few things. And I kid you not this is what the first episode (back when it was Emmerdale Farm) is about.
Jack Sugden's father Jacob Sugden has just died (apparently Jacob was a drunk who ran the family farm into the ground because he drank away the profits) and Jacob has left Jack the farm. Now Jack left home at eighteen and hasn't been home since. He returns home, avoids the funeral, and waits for his family at the farm. Jack and Robert might have been very different, but they are also very similar. Both leaving the village at a young age and finding themselves off in the big bad world. Relying on their wits and guts to see them through. Returning home the world traveled, prodigal son. If Jack's father was a drunk and he left home at eighteen not to return until the death of his father. Makes me think that perhaps Jack didn't have the easiest relationship with his father either. Robert stayed in the back at Jack's funeral too, he knew the village wasn't for him then and he was there to pay his respects only. No one would have know he was there I believe until Andy spotted him by accident. I've seen some clips of Jack's return, he looked somewhat the big man in his bright clothes differing from his family who stayed and had the country life. I wonder if the show did that on purpose to be similar to Jack's return to the village all those years ago. Or it was a simple happy accident. __________________
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Like I previously said Robert is very much his fathers son even if they weren't as close as Robert would have wanted.
Got to say Robert was looking smoking hot in his matching light pink shirt and dark pink tie. I love how stylish he is with matching his outfits it's quite sexy. __________________
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Yeah except for a few shirts, Robert is a pretty well styled boy.
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Robert was brilliant on the witness stand telling the complete truth and once again showing how well he knows & understands the core values of Aaron. He was so strong and matter of fact which I think the jury seemed to receive well what he was saying.
Oh but that moment when he in a subtle way declared his love & devotion to Aaron with these words "He's the sort of person you want to be...and to be with" well my heart just fully melted. And the look they exchanged was EVERYTHING!! Robert was saying the last part directly to & for Aaron. The anger sass was magnificent as he was directing it at Gordon. I love how Robert reduced Gordon to being an insignificant non-entity by just referring to him as "that over there". __________________
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I just love how mature Robert has become. Sure he's complex and complicated still and he always will be. But he's come so far and Aaron means the world to him.
It was lovely for him to just hold Aaron and let him just be free of everything that had been holding him down. Everyone needs that in their lives and Aaron never really had that. Being able to completely let your walls down and make yourself so vulnerable with another person. He feels safe with Robert and he trust him. I admit I wish that Robert had given Aaron a small kiss on his forehead as they stood there in each other's arms. __________________
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I do look forward to seeing how he reacts to Liv being a permanent fixture in his life because well now he's official with Aaron she wont just be a permanent fixture for Aaron since she will inevitably affect the time he gets to have with his boyfriend. __________________
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