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Old 02-28-2010, 01:02 PM
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I usually just lurk around on this board, but I was reading through the thread and came across THIS! And I just have to say, I completely agree! As a die-hard Sam fan, the "special treatment" that Elizabeth is now getting makes me absolutely sick! When the truth about her affair with Nikolas came out I thought, YES! The bitch is finally, for once, gonna pay for her mistakes and not get away with them like all the other times, but nooo, the writers just couldn't give me that one thing, could they?! After having to sit through half the people in Port Charles judging and berating Sam. Writing her off like it's nothing and basically treating her like dirt after she lost EVERYTHING that ever mattered to her (not completely by her own doing) and was human enough to act out on those emotions, to now see people sucking up and kissing Elizabeth's ass left and right, assuring her that everything will be okay because she now claims insanity cause she can't face up to the mistakes she's made is absolutely disgusting! And frustrating! Nobody forced Elizabeth to sleep with Nik countless times. Nik did not rape her, yet she has the nerve to blame all of this on him! (although he is very much to blame, but so is she!) I just... I don't know what this girl has to do for people to realize that she is not the saint they all make her out to be! Robin's comments made me want to strangle her, and she's actually one of my favorite GH women, and everybody's (except, of course, Luke and Lulu) total disregard for Lucky's feelings and his hurt just makes me wanna hurl! Now, I know this is a soap opera and basically no one is irredeemable, but both Nik and Elizabeth are irredeemable in my eyes. When Lucky was wondering where that little girl that he found in the snow went, I was wondering that right along with him, cause that was an Elizabeth I could sympathize with. That was an Elizabeth I could root for. But I don't know, ever since Lucky "died" and JJ left the first time, something changed in Elizabeth and I haven't liked her at all. And I fear I will not sympathize with her, like her, or root for her ever again. Sorry writers!

I'm sorry, I just had to get this off my chest. Rant over!
I am so glad that someone agrees with me. Thank you for commenting that! I really am glad to see that someone thinks same way as I am thinking. It's insane when you look at different situations and see what's there and what's not, you know.

And what you said, Nik didn't put a gun at her head and makes her to sleep with him, and he sure didn't COME OVER HER HOUSE to have his way with her. I should ask where was the place their first time was at? Of course Nikolas' place, second time, third, etc, almost all of them were at Nikolas' house. Just once was at Liz's house but that was after countless sex they already shared so this was nothing new, you know. So I don't see Liz having a breakdown enough to walk all the way or drive to Nikolas' house enough to have sex with him.

And don't get me started on whole Liz giving Nikolas dirty stare and spit on when he visited her at the Shadybrook. I had to roll my eyes every freaking time when she said all the nasty things to him in her room. Umm..Liz, do you realize what you just said also implies you right?! Duh. You WALKED TO HIS DAMN HOUSE to have sex with him and all you do is telling him off, yelling at him because he MADE YOU feel that way with all messed up stuff in your mind, etc. What the eff?! Liz had galls to yell at Nikolas, blaming him, etc because he made her feel that way? Oh yeah so sure he drugged her enough to drive to his house to have her way? Rightttttt. Like I would buy that. Liz is such a liar and a bitch who can't even see it! She blames Nikolas for making her act that way but makes goo goo eyes at Lucky? Gimme a break.

After what Liz has done, I would NEVER EVER have any sympathy for that girl. Not even if she's redeemed and clean and all that she would fix herself. I wouldn't ever look at her the same. Ever. Remember when you cheat ONCE, it's okay to redeem yourself and I would be able to forgive that person for screwing up once. But when you cheat more than once, how do I supposed to forgive that person and see her redeemed in my eyes? I can't when that person already did that before many times then did it again this time.

So yeah, if writers are going to redeem her and Nikolas, like you said, they would never ever be redeemed in my eyes. At least Nikolas is aware of his past cheating ways but unlike Liz who judges other women and look down at their feet and laugh at their misdeeds would never claim that she's "one of them" if you know what I mean? She would never claim it which is why Carly, Maxie, and Sam can't stand her because she treats them like that. And guess what? Either do I.
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I'm the exact opposite. I have a much bigger problem with Nikolas, who not only was whoring around, but wasn't even having human responses of guilt or concern for Lucky's pain about whoring around. And I love it every time she bitchfaces Nikolas, lol. Oh, he SO had it coming. It's so karma, after NEm and NiCo and what happened to Zander and Jax. And I don't feel sorry for him at all. He entered into a cheap and sleazy affair with a woman who straight up told him she was NEVER going to leave her fiance for him. And given that said fiance is his brother and he's seen this relationship evolve for more than 12 years, given that he's seen these two swear they're no longer in love only to take it back and go back to each other over and over, given that Sarah, Ric, Summer, Maxie, Jason, and Sam couldn't keep them apart longterm, what other than profound ignorant arrogance made him think HE was so special? I don't really think Elizabeth owes Nikolas any respect, nor do I think he actually shows her much.
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Old 02-28-2010, 09:43 PM
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Or maybe he just meant the type of the relationship Jason/Sonny have. IDK.
Well it'd totally be incestual, so I'm gonna go with a no on that.
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I'm the exact opposite. I have a much bigger problem with Nikolas, who not only was whoring around, but wasn't even having human responses of guilt or concern for Lucky's pain about whoring around. And I love it every time she bitchfaces Nikolas, lol. Oh, he SO had it coming. It's so karma, after NEm and NiCo and what happened to Zander and Jax. And I don't feel sorry for him at all. He entered into a cheap and sleazy affair with a woman who straight up told him she was NEVER going to leave her fiance for him. And given that said fiance is his brother and he's seen this relationship evolve for more than 12 years, given that he's seen these two swear they're no longer in love only to take it back and go back to each other over and over, given that Sarah, Ric, Summer, Maxie, Jason, and Sam couldn't keep them apart longterm, what other than profound ignorant arrogance made him think HE was so special? I don't really think Elizabeth owes Nikolas any respect, nor do I think he actually shows her much.
Well to be fair though Liz even though Nik is considered the interopler. Clearly no made Courtney, Emily or Nic to wreck their marriages/engagment I think it takes two to have an affair. Its very easy to blame Nikolas because of the less remorse field he has played but I also hold those women responsible as well.

and as for Liz. welll excuse the heck out of me the only reason why she is having an attiude about Nik now is because she got caught. No one FORCED her to sleep witn Nikolas she made the conscious choice of sleeping with Nikolas as it was his as well and with that maybe she needs to learn how to respect herself and not act like Nikolas ruined everything by himself when that is not neccesarily the truth.
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She has an attitude with him because he reminds her of all she's lost, and she seems to think he's not worth it. Which he's not. LOL.

I hold Emily and Courtney responsible too, but the fact of the matter is the last two times Nikolas decided he wanted what another man had and he was going to take it everyone else be damned, the women might as well have drop-kicked their husbands who promptly got thrown under the bus so Nikolas could be the hero or the victim. If THIS woman had sex with him but doesn't want to be his next princess? If this time, he's spending some time under the bus? Good.
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Old 03-01-2010, 03:13 PM
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She has an attitude with him because he reminds her of all she's lost, and she seems to think he's not worth it. Which he's not. LOL.

I hold Emily and Courtney responsible too, but the fact of the matter is the last two times Nikolas decided he wanted what another man had and he was going to take it everyone else be damned, the women might as well have drop-kicked their husbands who promptly got thrown under the bus so Nikolas could be the hero or the victim. If THIS woman had sex with him but doesn't want to be his next princess? If this time, he's spending some time under the bus? Good.
Well Liz needs to take responsbility for what she has lost. I mean no one forced her to have sex with Nikolas just like no one forced him to betray his brother. I just think they need equal blame for it.

I guess I can easily say that for Courtney since I hated her with Jax anyways. I always thought Jax was still trying to compete with sonny even through is sister.. LOL
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Can I draw our attentions to how screwed up today's show was? Alexis embracing Sonny as it's announced his bail won't be revoked. Robin looking on as Patrick is throwing down shots. Elizabeth trying to grab the upper hand against Lucky. Seriously GH. But I'm getting aggressively pissed off at how TPTB are bending the conventions of logic, spinning stories at whim, and out-right taking characters out of context and out of character. Little about today's bigger plots felt organic to me except for Lucky and Dante (and by extension LuLu).

Though to be fair, this tired take on Carly is grating on my nerves but at least she was not only in character but giving what we come to expect from her.

On the up side I love the former actress from Another World. Not sure how I feel about the character. It depends on whether or not she was commissioned to GH for the greater purpose of getting into Sonny's bed. This smells like the usual typecasting for just that purpose. Here's hoping I'm wrong.
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On the up side I love the former actress from Another World. Not sure how I feel about the character. It depends on whether or not she was commissioned to GH for the greater purpose of getting into Sonny's bed. This smells like the usual typecasting for just that purpose. Here's hoping I'm wrong.
I was excited about that too. And with Robin Christopher coming back, and John Bolger popping up every once in a while, GH has made me nostalgic for the good ole AW days. And I'm reminded that even when AW got TERRIBLE, it was never as bad as some of the crap Guza has produced.
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I was excited about that too. And with Robin Christopher coming back, and John Bolger popping up every once in a while, GH has made me nostalgic for the good ole AW days. And I'm reminded that even when AW got TERRIBLE, it was never as bad as some of the crap Guza has produced.
In retrospect I'm not sure how I feel. I have a bit of resentment in that when I held on to AW as it was slowly slipping away I would often fall asleep only to awaken and realize I missed one quarter or more of GH! And at that time missing even a few seconds of GH didn't make for a happy me. In the final moments of AW I stopped watching altogether. It wasn't so much as bad, but pointless and boring. GH is more often absurd and maddening in completely different ways. Though I do find Jason and Sam to be in the same category of couples who excitement me as much as watching paint dry that includes AW's Paulina and Joe.

ETA: And lest we not forget Mark Pinter. His portrayal of AW's Grant was all kinds of awesome. He was in some ways, the Ric of Another World. I absolutely loved to hate him. GH usually scores in casting and nabbing Pinter is no exception. He's perfectly cast. I just wish we saw more of him.
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Well Liz needs to take responsbility for what she has lost. I mean no one forced her to have sex with Nikolas just like no one forced him to betray his brother. I just think they need equal blame for it.

I guess I can easily say that for Courtney since I hated her with Jax anyways. I always thought Jax was still trying to compete with sonny even through is sister.. LOL
She has. "I have no excuse." "I can't defend what I did." "I trashed my life." "I was self destructive." "I had an affair with my fiancee's brother." "I'm a slut." She has NEVER, EVER said only Nikolas is responsible for this affair. She never said he seduced her or forced her. And she doesn't HAVE to be nice to him, nor is her not kissing his ass indicative that she's blaming him. She had blinders, they came off. What, of what she has said to him, is actually wrong? He is arrogant. He is controlling. He is a terrible parent. He acts like he doesn't care that they hurt Lucky. He manipulated her using her children today. He tried to use them to show her what a "happy family" they could have. When she said that? He didn't deny it. And yes, she slept with him anyway, but she slept with him because she was self destructive, not because he's just so wonderful.

I don't agree at all that Jax's relationship with Courtney was about Sonny. It very briefly started because of that, and he said that straight up front and she got involved anyway (probably because SHE wasn't all that fond of her brother, lol), but he very quickly dismissed that aspect because he really was attracted to her and had a blast with her and started to care for her. He told Sonny, it wasn't because of her ties to them but in spite of. And really, Casper had far less interactions with Sonny than CarJax had. He was a pretty minor blip on their radar. Jax loved Courtney- as she said right before she died, he loved her more than she ever loved him back. He didn't deserve what she did to him in NiCo, any more than Emily did. And hell, Jax got off LIGHT compared to what happened to poor Zander.
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I understand that Liz is blaming herself and all the crap, but what bugs me is that why is she treating Nikolas crap when she was the one who also wanted to sleep with him as much as he did. That's what bugs me because from what I was getting the vibe, she was trying to push him away so that she would look "good" in Lucky's eyes. Every time Lucky is around, she would get smiley and tries to be normal and hugs him, etc. It was all because she tried so hard to push Nikolas away so that she would be good in his eyes. That's what I was getting the impression from.

And yes, she did realize that she has lost everything, Lucky, dreams, etc. That's true but treating Nikolas is not a way to get Lucky back at all. It's all about trust, love, and honesty that she failed all of them when she was with him, so if none of them matters, then there's no relationship for them at all.

I am so glad that Lucky was completely honest with her today because he couldn't lead her on like that so he had to break the news to her and I am glad about that because that means Liz can't think all about, "I will get Lucky back when I get out of here. I will be good girl. I will get rid of Nikolas and I will fix it with Lucky, etc..." as if it was that easy to fix. But Lucky made it clear for her that what they have right now is far from repairment, it's damage that's been done.

I can't believe women today who would put up hands in air to protect Sonny. Don't get me started on that. .sigh.
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I understand that Liz is blaming herself and all the crap, but what bugs me is that why is she treating Nikolas crap when she was the one who also wanted to sleep with him as much as he did. That's what bugs me because from what I was getting the vibe, she was trying to push him away so that she would look "good" in Lucky's eyes. Every time Lucky is around, she would get smiley and tries to be normal and hugs him, etc. It was all because she tried so hard to push Nikolas away so that she would be good in his eyes. That's what I was getting the impression from.

And yes, she did realize that she has lost everything, Lucky, dreams, etc. That's true but treating Nikolas is not a way to get Lucky back at all. It's all about trust, love, and honesty that she failed all of them when she was with him, so if none of them matters, then there's no relationship for them at all.

I am so glad that Lucky was completely honest with her today because he couldn't lead her on like that so he had to break the news to her and I am glad about that because that means Liz can't think all about, "I will get Lucky back when I get out of here. I will be good girl. I will get rid of Nikolas and I will fix it with Lucky, etc..." as if it was that easy to fix. But Lucky made it clear for her that what they have right now is far from repairment, it's damage that's been done.

I can't believe women today who would put up hands in air to protect Sonny. Don't get me started on that. .sigh.
But she does it when Lucky's not around, and when she has no idea he'll be around, lol. She's actually been doing it for months, long before the affair ended. If she were only being nasty to him to look good in Lucky's eyes, she'd do it only when Lucky was around, when in fact she RARELY is at her nastiest with Nikolas when Lucky is in the room. It's not like Lucky was there at any point during her "You already have one kid you ignore; why would you want another one?" rant against him. I think she really just...doesn't like him very much anymore. I think this affair ruined their friendship. And really, not even sleeping with him necessarily dictates she HAS to like him, lol, and she isn't sleeping with him anymore so she REALLY doesn't have to like him. I don't think she's indicated a thought that being rude to Nikolas SOLVES anything, other than maybe him getting it through his head that her sleeping with him doesn't mean she wants to become the next Cassadine princess.
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I totally blanked out during the episode. I can't remember anything except Jax/Carly.
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I hate Jax/Carly, which sucks because when Tams was portraying her, it was my number one wish for them to be together. But since I've never really liked LW's version, I haven't been able to jump on the bandwagon unfortunately.

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