a new hope

Lol, see ? That's so weird to me. But I understand, because other than Chris/Jal, I shipped the couples that almost no one liked in the first two seasons.

chemistry86

Chris and Jal had a great friendship, and she really was there for him at times when no one else was but that was the extent of their relationship for me. I didn't feel the chemistry translate into something romantic, nor did I get her sudden interest in him or his in her. It was something I guess I knew would happen because they were the only ones left to hook up

I think so too, she's vulnerable and looking for someone who she thinks can help her through her tough times which is why she is being open with Freddie imo. We didnt see them interact enough prior to this to be able to dedude that she has formed some strong bond with Freddie.

smoothaise

Is this the first episode discussion to get two threads? This is totally going to become a trend.

JusW

You don't need to have formed a strong bond with someone, to react differently to that person, than you would be expected to. The depth of the relationship comes later. You can be merely attracted to that individual, or interested in that individual and still act differently with him.

In any respect like I said, the fact that even those who propose the OOC argument, have managed to come up with a why for the relationship is telling.

idkmybffjill

What I don't get in this theory is why then Freddie? Why's she been the most intimate emotionally with him, not only in this episode but the last one as well, instead of say Pandora or Cook, if he's so insignificant to her and she'd be this way with anyone just b/c of her family situation?

Also I'm trying to get how the guy who likes a girl and wants to actually get to know her is somehow the one taking advantage of her fragile state of mind and guy who treats her like a sex object is not.....

Agreed, attraction is for the most part random. It doesn't have to be that deep or easily dissected. Science versus romance, and all that. Nobody really understands why and how it happens.

a new hope

Cook treats her like a sex object because that's how she put herself out to him The way she keeps coming back to him no matter what shows that she wants to be treated that way by him. I don't think she's not a victim in this situation at all.

smoothaise

I agree with Tar - she's not the victim if she's not letting herself be. Effy would only be the victim if we viewed the show in a black/white context, but it isn't that kind of show... you have to remember there are shades of grey. She's not the damsel in distress ---

idkmybffjill

IDK maybe it shows a lack of self-respect, but I think the shed scene where she told him off and her look of disgust when he told her to piss off if she's not going to f them showed that she doesn't really like it. It could just as easily be explained that she keeps going back to him to get laid b/c she wants to escape the overwhelming emotions she's feeling regarding her family situation and so forth since he's very no-strings-attached rather than actually enjoying his treatment of her.

And to clarify, I don't really actually think Effy's a victim of either boy! She can handle it. I just thought it was a funny comment that Freddie's somehow the one with sinister intentions and trying to use her.

JusW

I don't think I saw anyone refer to Effy as a victim? All I saw was the question being put forth with regards to the choice of language for the E/F relationship - i.e. Freddie is taking advantage of Effy's vulnerability. One poster disagreed with that particular understanding of the situation, and so do I actually. I think a more accurate way of putting across the idea that her vulnerability as a result of her parents marital issues is a factor in the ability of Freddie to effect her is that this vulnerability and increased sensitivity has allowed Effy to be open to the possibility of something different as opposed to the expected same old, same old.

a new hope

Lack of self-respect, too, for sure. She's using him to let go of her frustrations. And by saying 'yes' even after saying 'no' she's allowing herself to be treated like crap. I don't think she enjoys it, but she wants it, because she's being completely self-destructive this season.

Not everything I say is a direct response to someone's posts I was just reflecting...

smoothaise

Effy is a total masochist

chemistry86

I agree again, Cook treats her like a sex object because thats the only side of herself Effy shows him, so he respects that thats what she wants from him and acts accordingly. If she showed a different side I am sure he wouldnt be out only for sex. I dont see how Freddie is any different, he objectifies her too because he only likes her because she is goodlooking when he knows nothing about her and has a tendency to look down on her like he did in Pandora.

Amberness

iawtcsfm. although its on the previous page and all now

and if we're talking about abuse of vulnerability here, its still effy's doing. if she lets herself be used by cook or be "loved" by freddie, it a part of the character change. if any character were to be stagnant and act him/herself all the time, i doubt the show will go anywhere

it boggles me how much reaction is drawn from those who are not interested in EF or freddie, especially because it is the predominant voice in the longest episode discussion yet.

chemistry86

Well this episode was about Freddie, so naturally he is the predominant discussion.

JusW

Well, I see a difference in the way Freddie treats Effy and the way Cook treats Effy. To be attracted to someone primarily for their good looks (and who's to say that's the only reason Freddie likes her - maybe it's the way she was sat in the car, or the way her nostrils flare when she takes a breath, or the way she was looking at him), is different from referring to Effy as solely for the purpose of one's own sexual gratification to the extent that should she refuse to provide this particular service, she would have to leave the shed. I see a difference in that.