laffytaffy23

Animals sadly aren't my concern. I live in America and know real America and see the struggle from all angles. It's horrible.

People like Hayden should be involved with certain organizations or want to create some of their own like many have done and like Klitschko's have done. Most of Hayden's American friends are rich people or linked to the industry, same with Wladimir's so it's not like they spend time with regular people. Hayden like it or not, is American. At least half of her priorities should be in United States not just Ukraine. My take is that it should be 50/50 between these two when it comes to the money they may earn from selling photos, half to his country or foundation and half to whatever organization here in America. This is just my opinion though and I find it sad that she's the way she is or how I assume she is.

laffytaffy23

Sorry for double post but I wanted to say how my comment about animals not being my concern isn't meant to come off as I don't care about animals. I do. I just think there is so many different bigger matters to deal with in human aspect. Just wanted to clear that up since after I read my own post it does come off as me not caring about animals in general. Lol

Arrakis

I fully agree with what you said. In 2013 she at least still supported a cause of cotton Inc. for poor people. Concerning her friends yes some like MSE and his wife are rich but most like Allie and Kate york are just average people or small bar singers in Nashville with no connections or fame. But I'm sure Hayden is the person we all want to love at her heart, especially bc she did a lot of things in her own country in the past. She's a human being like all of us and may do mistakes. I think she just needs someome who helps her gain back the optimistic passion for causes she had before. I'm sure this will happen one day. I mean if I didn't believe this I would stop being her fan here and now and search for someone else to be a fan of. But I still have faith in her and I think she'll get back to her old self concerning social causes.

I mean many celebs do social stuff but i think many just do it for the good publicity but when I started reading interviews, watching the cove and knowing more about Hayden, I immediately had the feeling she really does it bc it comes from her heart and she believes in it. (Don't get me wrong but when I first saw her in the first episodes of Heroes, not knowing who she was, I found her a good looking but rather enervating little girl but that changed quickly)

Arrakis

I would personally like to send her a letter concerning this, signed by all of us where we say how much we love her and her work but that we're also concerned but want to give her hope for her own country and that she should always believe in her own ability to change sth. etc. The problem I see is that she might understand our message wrong bc she doesn't know who we are (though I think she would understand and like it), plus we could only send it to her public adress which means her publicist gets the letter and might just throw it in the bin. Only the russian VK guys know her real adress (they sent her a nice birthday letter last year) but they would never tell me especially not if they knew what we would send her. They're hardcore fans and wouldn't understand our well-intentioned concerns.

p.s. Oops sorry for double post, forgot that.

laffytaffy23

Agreed, but Kate writes music and sells her lyrics I believe so she's not super regular and Allie I don't know who that is but majority have connections so I don't consider them a regular normal esk person or persons.


I like your second post idea, I think it would be great to come up with some type of letter with what we'd like for her to consider in the future. I do think her face on some organization would be amazing. If you want to PM me to discuss further some time, please do so. I really like this idea.

Arawen

I´m in for this as well.

Arrakis

Will do just not the upcoming week bc I'm on a travel for a college project and won't have much time and internet.

Lethally Floral

I think that it's important to remember that charity can take on all sorts of looks. There's the stuff that's behind the scenes and in front of the scenes.

Activism can be mentally and emotionally draining. I don't think someone should be criticized if they feel they need to take a step back from it for a while...or even longer than a while.

Also, a lot of the "in front" of the scenes stuff done by celebs is for publicity too.

I don't agree that Hayden should set up foundations. The truth of the matter is non-profit charitable foundations are difficult to get off the ground. Every time you hear about Celeb X's charity raising a million dollars and Celeb Y's charity raising five million, what you aren't told is how much of that money actually goes into the hands of those who need the money. That doesn't mean the charities are corrupt, just that it costs money to raise money. For instance, a charity ball is expensive. You need to pay for the dinner. You need to rent the venue. You need to pay for the entertainment (yeah, sometimes you can get that donated but sometimes you can't---a lot of entertainers earn a living doing charity events.) So one million dollars might be raised but 900,000 might have been spent on the event, promotion, salaries and other things associated with running a charity.

It's usually smarter to associate with an already established charity.

holding my heart

Just to be clear: aren't we a bit off topic here? This has nothing to do with Wlad/Hayden

Arrakis

Sure she does not have to set up new foundations. I would also love it to see her supporting existing foundations just like she did in the past.

Btw, is there a thread where we can talk this stuff to not spam this one?

laffytaffy23

It does have to do with Hayden/Wladimir. We are discussing charity based off her and Wladimir donating proceeds from photos solely to his charity in Ukraine.

Lethally Floral, As for her not getting involved with charity because of other minor issues, I disagree with. She could easily get involved with the hundreds that are floating around in this country without many issues. People like Hayden are powerful.

holding my heart

I don't know... i'm just scared it can go off topic, and not focus on them, but more on the "other" stuff

Lethally Floral

I suppose you could start a "Hayden's activism" thread but if she's not doing much right now--because she's working, has a new baby and is traveling a lot, I'm afraid that it's going to devolve in "here's what Hayden should be doing with her life" thread.

In fact, I've noticed that trend a lot lately in regards to what Wlad should or shouldn't be doing, what Hayden should or shouldn't be doing...etc. It starts as a comment, which is fine, but then it turns into pages, which I personally feel less comfortable with.

In your imagination of what her theoretical life is like, it'd be easy for her to get involved. You only have a superficial knowledge of what her actual life is like. That's all any of us have. I find it more fun to celebrate what she's actually doing rather than what supposedly is not doing but to each their own.

Arrakis

To your first comment, I think we all love her and Wlad, we're just a bit concerned. And of course she's now too busy with her baby but sooner or later Kaya will be older and hayden has a bit more timenot much but a bit.

To your second comment I don't think it's a matter of time but rather disappointment with lack of succes I think. I mean she surely has time to tweet about cetain stuff every now and then also about her dolphin stuff but she doesn't also before she got pregnant and had more time. And she also said it in an interview that she's disappointed, though she was referring to political involvement but I think she most likely has the same dissapointment in other involvements. A reason could be the fact that her older involvements weren't really succesful compared to other celebrities stuff but I'm not sure though. Klitscko does more than enough for social causes also now with baby and training so I'm not criticising him at all. Anyways I'm also not criticizing Hayden (for that she's just a too good and over all caring person) I'm just concerned she lost a bit her optimism and passion for causes lately and would like to help her get it back. That's why I said I wish I knew her personally or at least I would like to sit 7 hours on a Europe-US flight next to her. I mean if I wouldn't like her anymore and just be criticizing her then I also wouldn't be concerned or worrying I would just leave this forum and join the Emma Watson forum and forget Hayden. But fact is I do really admire her.

laffytaffy23

So now we can't discuss anything related to Hayden/Wladimir at all now? I remember how in another thread I believe, we were told to discuss them in this thread.

My whole thing is, Hayden is American but really hasn't done anything here in years and much of her focus is more with Wladimir's cause in Ukraine. I have issues with anyone who is in the entertainment business who chooses to worry about other countries before their own.

I get it, she has to support her man but I do find it annoying that she chooses not to get involved here over "politics" or not liking how things are here. It's shameful in my opinion. I also don't believe there is any legitimate excuse for not getting involved either. I'd love to see him support her here too with some type of charity.

Aside from that, I've always said I enjoy them as a couple which I do. They're hot together but I feel there's more support on one end. If I didn't like them as a pair, I'd stay away from this thread.


But I guess I won't express my views since I assume it's become an issue for you.

So no more discussions with all of our imaginations of the two?