agentofchaos

Yeah,i figured as much.I'm dying to find out about what was written in those diary entries that were published at 70's show official site.Are there any links to them,also are they considered canon?

MistyMountainHop

I've been posting the T7S Diary entries on the board. Here are the links to the Jackie and Hyde ones I've posted so far.

Hyde's:

1) http://www.fanforum.com/80022743-post219.html
2) http://www.fanforum.com/80166222-post224.html
3) http://www.fanforum.com/80632540-post172.html
4) http://www.fanforum.com/81391769-post267.html
5) http://www.fanforum.com/81532252-post268.html
6) http://www.fanforum.com/83172758-post271.html
7) http://www.fanforum.com/84034642-post272.html
8) http://www.fanforum.com/85044225-post292.html
9) http://www.fanforum.com/86930083-post67.html

Jackie's:

1) http://www.fanforum.com/80007699-post116.html
2) http://www.fanforum.com/80211300-post249.html
3) http://www.fanforum.com/80291728-post138.html
4) http://www.fanforum.com/81000216-post257.html
5) http://www.fanforum.com/81469614-post144.html
6) http://www.fanforum.com/83172674-post191.html
7) http://www.fanforum.com/84788233-post203.html
8) http://www.fanforum.com/85044356-post204.html
9) http://www.fanforum.com/86840116-post249.html
10) http://www.fanforum.com/87276873-post267.html
11) http://www.fanforum.com/90728339-post215.html


As for whether or not they're canon, depends on who one asks. So it's not canon-canon, but it's a bit more than fanon?

msstock87

Lisa, the OPS you have done have been great.

Fanfic does heal wounds. I have been trying to get more time to read some.

MistyMountainHop

Thank you, Colleen!

I'm craving to write Jackie and Hyde as parents. But other fics are in the way.

msstock87

Haha, that's okay Lisa. You always serve Jackie/Hyde well no matter what.

MistyMountainHop

Thank you, Colleen.

---

How about Jackie throwing Hyde a surprise party for his twenty-first birthday?

msstock87

I can totally see Jackie doing that.

MistyMountainHop

Do you think Hyde would like it? Do you think she'd make the party something he'd like or what she'd want for herself?

agentofchaos

Maybe little bit of both.Depends on the writing,which changes constantly,making the characters largely inconsistent.Correct me if I'm wrong,but new showrunners,the Filgos,became showrunners in season 5,and decided to bury the Jackie and Kelso(not that I'm complaining though pretty much the same way the season 8 ones destroyed Jackie and Hyde?Also,does anybody else find Donna and Eric relationship slightly boring?Don't get me wrong,I don't hate them,I just think they were getting way to much screen time and were not as interesting as some other characters,but that's maybe because I started watching this show,not long after i finished watching Friends,where all 6 characters are equally treated with no one to stand out as the main one which is not the case in this show.Wandered of the topic way to much

MistyMountainHop

I'd hardly say season 5 buried Jackie/Kelso. Ever since "Jackie's Cheese Squeeze" in season 4, Jackie and Kelso's relationship devolved organically. Even before then, they begin to have serious conflicts. Throughout the second half of the season, they're shown as no longer being happy with each other, and Kelso even tells Eric that what he and Jackie have isn't real. And Kelso ultimately runs out on Jackie and cheats on her, which is in-character.

Season 5 deals -- again organically -- with the aftermath of that. Allows her to be confused about what she feels for Kelso and for him to try to "steal"/win her back from Hyde.

Their storyline doesn't truly end until the beginning of season 6. And that ending was earned, not forced on the characters to serve plot (unlike some of the conflict between J/H in season 5 and early season 6 ). So Jackie and Kelso's relationship isn't just swept aside. It's dealt with quite extensively even as Jackie and Hyde's relationship develops.

In season 8, however, Hyde behaves totally OOC. As he and Jackie are on the verge of reconciliation, we learn that he married a stranger, which he'd never do. It was hard enough for him to decide to marry the woman he's deeply in love with. He continually behaves contrary to his previous years of characterization and development and mistreats Jackie. Real!Hyde would be enraged at his season-8 portrayal.

I agree that their relationship lacks oomph (for lack of a better word ) in the later season. Probably because their development stopped. During seasons 1-4, their relationship evolves and devolves, which has a significant effect on their characters -- which, in turn -- affects their relationship.

But when they reconcile in season 5, they sweep their problems under the rug and don't deal with them. They get wrapped up in their engagement, but their conflicts in season 5 are largely minor. They're a united front, fighting to stay engaged. In season 6, Eric's character is regressed, and he's pretty awful to Donna in some episodes. Their conflicts are largely pale rehashes of their S1-S3 conflicts. And their playfulness from the early seasons is almost non-existent.

agentofchaos

Your arguments are always on point it seems.I read some of your stories,or should i say a lot of them,and from what i have seen you would've done a better job than some of the show original writers,and I'm not even kidding.I disliked Kelso during the big portion of season 5,and the way he was behaving even though i like how funny he is,sometimes i think he lacks depth along with Fez whose only role seems to be candy loving-foreign pervert.Whenever they need to make some joke with him they must turn to the damn candy,or some twisted perversion and that becomes predictable and less funny during later seasons of the show.I will never forgive him for saying that J/H are two deeply disturbing individuals and that their relationship is sickest thing he's ever seen:mad.They reunited them temporarily only because they needed the marriage problem to return in the final in the 7th season. When you watch the scenes with those 2 together in episode after their last makeup,and during season 5,6,7,and even season 2(you will find somebody great),it's obvious that writers wanted them to be the endgame and that is how it's meant to be and how it should be.

MistyMountainHop

Thanks! If they are, it's from too many years of discussing this show with a lot of people.

Aw, another thank-you!

Stripped of Ashton Kutcher's wonderfully comedic performance, Kelso is an awful character for much of the show. Fez used to have depth, but the show devolved him into a punchline and punchline giver.

Jackie and Hyde's reconciliation episodes are bad and OOC. Their season 7 one mischaracterizes their relationship and ignores its development. Who ever wrote, "Down the Road Apiece" didn't do his homework. He should've watched Jackie and Hyde's episodes past "Going to California" (5x01).

Agreed.

agentofchaos

I forgot to mention that part in my previous post.I haven't watched season 8 but from what i heard,I can only assume that original Hyde would have given his 8 season self proper beating for being a jerk that he was.

It was totally obvious when Kelso begun dating Laurie,he stood on Jackie's side and there was this one moment,I believe in 25th episode of the second season(Cat fight club,i think),when he gave Kelso-you disgust me so much look,for going out with Laurie and hurting Jackie in the process.Not to mention that at this part of the series he was not very fond of Jackie,but still helped her nonetheless.

Of course he committed a very large number of noble deeds,apart from this one,but those 8th season guys overlooked this aspect of his personality and reverted his character development,no scratch that,they completely destroyed it and made him something that he obviously isn't and couldn't be.Unfortunately this isn't the only character they demolished,rest of the group suffered to.They made Donna a total bi**h.
I know i broke the rule about the season that shall not be named,but i just couldn't help it.Also pardon me for my,at times,lousy english.

msstock87

No matter what the writers tried to tell us on screen, these two were endgame. Just like you knew Donna/Eric were endgame. If Hyde was written in character, he would have never gone to Vegas and marry a stripper, heck I like to think he wouldn't have left Jackie at that hotel!

Sidenote, I know this isn't there thread, but I have to agree with you two about Donna/Eric. I think they are great, but I think they were more cute and fun to watch in the early seasons.

MistyMountainHop

Definitely.

Yes, Hyde is totally angry at Kelso on Jackie's behalf. A week after Kelso promised to be faithful to Jackie and not hurt her again, he flaunts his relationship with the woman he cheated on her with and sics that woman (Laurie) on Jackie to do his dirty work (burn her).

I really don't know what show the S8 showrunners were watching before they took the job. Even their interpretation of season 1 is sideways.

It's okay. We even have a thread dedicated to ranting about Season 8: http://www.fanforum.com/f27/season-8...rote-63129552/

Your English is great! Would it be possible, though, for you to write your posts with spaces after punctuation? That would make them easier to read.

Exactly.

They were to me, too. They need that playfulness. That's where their chemistry is.