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Old 05-14-2013, 08:17 PM
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Red definitely saw Hyde as more of a man than Eric. The whole scene in the basement on his 18th birthday comes to mind. He was starting to show Hyde the ropes of being a man.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:15 AM
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I think Red was one of the only people Hyde could or wanted to learn "how to be a man" from, too. They spoke the same language, so to speak.
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I think Red was one of the only people Hyde could or wanted to learn "how to be a man" from, too. They spoke the same language, so to speak.
You could tell Red wanted to protect Hyde, even if he didn't come out and say it.
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I think Red was one of the only people Hyde could or wanted to learn "how to be a man" from, too. They spoke the same language, so to speak.
I really like how you put this. And I agree that Red didn't see Eric as a man (not until he gave Eric his blessing for marriage -- and even then...).

The following scene always makes me laugh -- and is a good example of how Red views Eric vs. Hyde, despite Hyde's OOC answer about Jackie. If she were "shallow as hell," Hyde wouldn't have stayed with her for two years, not to mention the episodes where she demonstrates this to be the opposite of true. She's a complex character, but I digress.

Red: I've got some questions I want answers to. What are you doing about moving out?
Eric: I dunno.
Red: How 'bout Donna?
Eric: I dunno.
Red: Your job?
Eric: I dunno
Red: Your future?
Eric: OK, I'm gonna go ahead and hit you with an... I dunno.
Red: Then no food for you.
Eric: What?!
Kitty: Red, he's so skinny. Just take away his car.
Red: No! I'm trying to teach the boy responsibility. I want a plan out of
you by tonight, or no dinner either.
Eric: Dad, that's not... [turns around to Kitty] Wait. Mom, what's for
dinner?
Kitty: Fried chicken.
Eric: Oh, come on!

[Hyde walks in and sits down]

Red: Steven, when are you moving out?
Hyde: Soon.
Red: How's your girlfriend?
Hyde: Shallow as hell.
Red: Job?
Hyde: Dead end.
Red: Future?
Hyde: Bleak.
Red: Kitty, feed the boy.

Red's "Kitty, feed the boy," gets me every time.
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I love that scene too, it always cracks me up. I always take what Hyde says about Jackie as saving face in front of everyone and not serious.
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Old 05-19-2013, 02:42 PM
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That scene is perfect.

Did we ever really see any conflict between Eric and Hyde regarding Red? I don't remember Eric ever showing jealousy that Hyde and Red got along so well... but I'm sure that secretly, he was.
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I think we kind of did in "The Good son". I think Eric was kind of mad that Red was seeming to praise Hyde more than Eric then.
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I think we kind of did in "The Good son". I think Eric was kind of mad that Red was seeming to praise Hyde more than Eric then.
Yeah, that's about it. For the most part, the show kept separate Hyde's relationship with Red and Eric's -- but in real life, there totally would've been feelings on either side (especially on Eric's) about it.
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Hmm. That could make an interesting fan-fic.
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I would read that fanfic.
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Hmm. That could make an interesting fan-fic.
Yes it would.

In "Eric's Stash," we see Red being surprised and not especially happy at Eric accusing Hyde of stealing his money.

Red: Wait a minute. You accused Steven of stealing your money?

Eric: Well, yeah, but to be fair, Dad, that’s before I found out you stole it. Which brings up why you didn’t ask me -- and, also, you know, you could’ve told me... Well, you could’ve.

Red: Okay, I’m sorry that I took some money out of your little box -- when I feed you and clothe you and put a roof over your head. Soooorrrrry. Now, how could you do that to Steven? He’s your best friend.

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I love that Hyde being Eric's best friend is directly stated.
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I loved how Red got very protective of Hyde there. Red clearly knew who Hyde was.
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I loved how Red got very protective of Hyde there. Red clearly knew who Hyde was.
Which is why Red was so disappointed Hyde got arrested for possession -- and was so relieved to learn Hyde had been protecting someone else by doing so. Red yells becomes he loves.
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Red does yell because he cares!

Even though Red yelled at Hyde for taking the blame for Jackie, he deep down thought it was admirable.
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Even though Red yelled at Hyde for taking the blame for Jackie, he deep down thought it was admirable.
You think he did? I'm not so sure. Red seemed more angry about it than anything. He told Hyde never to do that kind of thing again. Kitty was "crying and crying and crying" about Hyde being kicked out. And when "she's upset, [Red's] upset."
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