Gossip Girl - Serendipity (Nathaniel ♥ Serena) #140: Because change we need. - Page 18

Alexa · 11-13-2008, 04:54 AM

I just never bought into the fact that CBNS were that close. BNS, sure. But Chuck seemed like such a skeez then. I mean, him and Blair were friendly enough but Serena doesnt seem to ever have liked him at all.

And I disagree about this show being about the UES. I think its about them, but also how people view them. I like the balance between B/S and the Humphreys. I think its a good focus for the show.

♥ Laura ♥ · 11-13-2008, 05:02 AM

I think Serena probably hung out with him a lot more when she was "bad" or whatever she was back then. I think Chuck reminded her of who used to be too much so she couldn't stand him. But there was definate friendship there like "Woman on the Verge" showed us. That episode was great for CBNS. Showed what a strong unit they are together and that they'll help a friend in need no matter what the problem is.

Well yes I do agree. The Humpreys are needed to balance it out. They wouldn't bug me as much if they had decent storylines. All the storylines this year for all the characters aren't that great tbh.

The thing that baffles me is what was the point in ever pimping out NS at all? Giving us all hope and showing their amazing potential when it was all for nothing.

Alexa · 11-13-2008, 05:07 AM

I dont know. I didnt really see them as a strong unit even then. I mean, they werent all getting a long at that point. I personally prefer them all seperate. Honestly though, shows rarely show friends in groups of more than just 2. And I would love to see that more often on the show as a whole.

The problem with the storylines this year, for me, is that they are all so rushed. And then random. Like the catherine/marcus thing was horrible and done with in four episodes. the cv interaction and db interaction was a one episode thing. this whole cyrus/blair storyline is soooooo boring.

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The thing that baffles me is what was the point in ever pimping out NS at all? Giving us all hope and showing their amazing potential when it was all for nothing.

I dont know. Either Josh only did NS at first to attract all the book fans, or he was planning on doing NS but decided to go in a different direction after CB/DS fans blew up.

**Rebel_Diamond** · 11-13-2008, 05:10 AM

I personally find the Humphs lacking in the entertainment quality, but I guess the show needs some stable ground. Lmao, Josh seems to not really have a great view the rich people (imo) which is kind of funny since all his shows are about them. His shows in general always have the outsiders' views into the world of the rich, I guess that's how he roles.

I do agree with you, the BS friendship is kind of lacking. I love CN. I think that Blair/Serena don't really compliment each other well but I do think they love each other more than anything and all the minions are creeps, so I kind of respect their friendship in a way, I guess. I don't know. It's weird. Personally, I have been liking Dan a lot lately, which is a big deal since I use to think Dan was the biggest ass to grace the earth with his 'holier than thou' attitude, but now I realize he's just a kid. He's growing up. And maybe I'm bias, but I can see him a lot clearer without DS.

The thing is I never doubted NJ would happen, it would have to happen. They were a couple in the books after all and they did have scenes last year. That's why I can respect NJ and I can't NV. NJ may have been fast, but I can at least sense some sort of chemistry, but then again, I was in a similar situation so maybe it's easier for me to understand. NV was way too fast for my liking and I'm not saying this just because they weren't part of the books, but if they were it would be a lot less random. I don't know, I did like them... I thought they were cute as a fling... but in 2x02 I don't understand where all these 'intense' feelings came from. I don't buy them, at all. Jenny and Nate, I still don't love them or anything but I like them a hell of a lot better than I did before and I respect them. They also seem to have more staying power than NV. Meaning if there CBDS were endgame, I'd assume NJ would be too because fans responded better to them.

ITA agree what you said about DS. I'll try to be civil here, lol. I did like them the first couple episodes, but after episode 7, I started to realize all these things and I just couldn't enjoy them anymore. I think that Dan was maybe what Serena needed at that time, I do admit, because she wanted to change and she needed someone stable and maybe more low key (if that makes any sense). But I think in the end, their differences are just too big. They would have to change their personalities to compliment each other's I guess. I do agree with the quote about opposites attracting, but only for so long. And yeah, Serena wanted to change- no one could make her change, she just decided that she didn't like the direction her life was headed too. I don't think NS' relationship would be dangerous, either. It was just that when they did have their thing she was in a dangerous place in her life, is all. I think that they truly both are good people and only want the best for each other. Nate loved her back then, I'm sure he'll love her now.

I do agree, people say she was 'wasted' when they hooked up- wtf no. Normally, people who say that though don't know the definition of wasted. Wasted means you have lost COMPLETE control, and normally end up puking somewhere. Serena managed to walk across the bar, didn't she? Lol. They were definitely drunk, but not to the point where they had lost all sense of self control, but they just got lost in their passion is all. Oh god that was cheesy.

SergeantPepper · 11-13-2008, 05:19 AM

Sorry for bailing out earlier. My internet connection got all fuzzizzle. Anyway... intense conversation. I agree with what you said about the "wasted" part Nik.

**Rebel_Diamond** · 11-13-2008, 05:21 AM

Welcome back! Are you going to read back? I haven't felt this optimistic since 2x04.

♥ Laura ♥ · 11-13-2008, 05:32 AM

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IITA agree what you said about DS. I'll try to be civil here, lol. I did like them the first couple episodes, but after episode 7, I started to realize all these things and I just couldn't enjoy them anymore. I think that Dan was maybe what Serena needed at that time, I do admit, because she wanted to change and she needed someone stable and maybe more low key (if that makes any sense). But I think in the end, their differences are just too big. They would have to change their personalities to compliment each other's I guess. I do agree with the quote about opposites attracting, but only for so long. And yeah, Serena wanted to change- no one could make her change, she just decided that she didn't like the direction her life was headed too. I don't think NS' relationship would be dangerous, either. It was just that when they did have their thing she was in a dangerous place in her life, is all. I think that they truly both are good people and only want the best for each other. Nate loved her back then, I'm sure he'll love her now.:

ITA with this. That's my main problem with DS too. I loved them at the start but then all of their issues started to rise to the surface and it just made me start to dislike them. I do believe DS are endgame and I think the main thing is for the them to sort out their problems of trusting each other and judging each other... maybe then I can like them a bit again. Or accept that ending.

But with NS I think the trust is there completely. And maybe there are still lingering feelings for each other burried deep within. I don't think it would take a lot for those feelings to come out again... maybe a sign of affection or gratitude could make them realize that there is still something between them.

Niaaa!

Alexa · 11-13-2008, 05:37 AM

I love intense conversations! Gives my brain and fingers some execise! lol.

I think that he needs to show the UES as deeper than he has. Because so far, they all seem to be pretty selfish. Even the good ones (Nate/Serena) can be at times and I dont think thats accurate. And I dont have a problem with the Humphreys, I think it balances the show out. But I do agree they should get less focus. And they are the only family on the show that has that much time. I would like to see more of Barts family, (where is Serena's dad?). I would love to see them delve into the Blair/Eleanor thing more.

I dont know why I just could never get into the Serena/Blair friendship. I dont see how they are good for one another at all. I mean, Blair is clearly jealous of Serena. But in a way, she is right because Serena does get so much attention. Its just not really a healthy relationship. I LOVE all the boys relationships with one another. So flippin cute. I like CN the best, becase they were the original bffs, but I love chuck/dan too. And Dan/nate were pretty cute. I just like friendships between boys better. Less catty. I liked Dan in season 1 so much because he seemed so original. And even though he was a bit judgemental, he was a pretty good person. He was witty and smart and funny and a loner and he was easier to identify with, IMO. And I thought the judgy thing would wear off eventually. Thats why I havnet been a fan of him as much this season. He is STILL judgemental and he doesnt ever let people explain and he always just expects the worst from people and acts as if he is always right. It drives me nuts sometimes. And on top of that, hes being a hypocrit this year because he was getting involved with Chuck and his father and doing exactly what he said he would never do. But I try to give the poor guy a break, because I feel like after his break up with S he is just kind of lashing out in the wrong way.

Another reason why I could buy NJ over NV is because J was the 6th regular character. Vanessa wasnt even in the first four episodes. ANd with CB and DS, NJ just made sense to me. On top of that, like you said, NJ were at least established in the books. And they happened in season 2. NV were RIGHT after NS AND NB and it just felt so "rebound" to me. I honestly didnt care for NV until this year, but then NJ happened and kind of threw that out the window. Even if I LOVED NV I dont think I could really support them after what N did to her.

I love DS, I really do. A lot of that has to do with my love for Penn and Penn/Blake, I admit. But if NS ever got together I would be so torn because I think NS could be really great together. As long as ONE of the five ships in my sig ends up together I will be happy. I try not to put too mch focus on endgame though because at that time the show will be over anyways.

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I loved them at the start but then all of their issues started to rise to the surface and it just made me start to dislike them. I do believe DS are endgame and I think the main thing is for the them to sort out their problems of trusting each other and judging each other... maybe then I can like them a bit again. Or accept that ending.

They just arent at a spot right now where they can be together because they clearly are on different pages. I think once they are out of highschool though, they will be on a more level playing field, and once Dan can accept Serena for the status that she is and maybe even appreciate it, they can get back together. But honestly, we had them for a full season, its nice to get a break, and Id take the angst over the cheese. They do the angst better, IMO.

Ive never been WASTED honestly, but Ive been around plenty of people who were, and Serena would not a) be speaking in clear sentances or b) be standing at all if that were the case! lol.

Opposites attract, but simularities last.

**Rebel_Diamond** · 11-13-2008, 05:38 AM

DS to me are like tequila. Some of you may know what I mean.

It's just that, yes, I do believe they can sort out their problems and that they are endgame- but they will never be able to entertain me. Ever.

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But with NS I think the trust is there completely. And maybe there are still lingering feelings for each other burried deep within. I don't think it would take a lot for those feelings to come out again... maybe a sign of affection or gratitude could make them realize that there is still something between them.

I think it may take a couple episodes. I mean right now they seem to be like 'just friends' but haven't we all used that as a cover at one point in our lives to deny how we truly feel about another person? I don't know if NS loved each other or not in the past, that's up to the writers but if they did I'm sure they'd be in denial of their feelings right now.

♥ Laura ♥ · 11-13-2008, 05:42 AM

Wow you girls write too much

All these non-NS episodes are making me sad

Alexa · 11-13-2008, 05:49 AM

I just have a feeling that well see Nate isnt over Serena. Like, he will spend time with her then confess to Chuck he isnt over her or something. LOL.

Not anytime soon, but maybe be the end of the season.

Or maybe its just wishful thinking.

SergeantPepper · 11-13-2008, 05:55 AM

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I would like to see more of Barts family, (where is Serena's dad?)

This one I'm dying to find out.

**Rebel_Diamond** · 11-13-2008, 06:01 AM

I love intense conversations too, we use to fill threads with like huge paragraphs, it was great.

I do agree, I mean I'll never be a fan of the Humphrey family dinners that we get every episode, but I will maybe learn to appreciate some moral that Gossip Girl may try to instill in us, rather than fast forwarding the scenes. Rufus is hot for a dad.

I agree, Blair/Eleanor have a seemingly complex relationship, which I'm sure will be explored at some point.

True, guys' friendships are so much better. I'd love to see a bromance triangle at one point.

I would die of happiness. Too adorable. Ahhh. Haha, sorry. I like Dan, I do, but I'll never be able to love him. I have no clue why. I do like him as a character- the writers do a good job making him real. Guys are more judgmental than they'd like to admit and they do bitch- a lot. My boyfriend bitched like hours on the phone about someone to me. Well maybe not three but a really long time.

Before I MAJORLY (like, seriously) hated NJ with a burning passion, but now I don't. Don't ask me why though, I don't really know. I always found Jenny annoying, I still kind of do, but I can tell that she will grow as a character and I'd like to see that. Vanessa as a character, I find... bland. She was seriously kick ass in the books, for real. Come on, combat boots and a shaved head. I would NEVER do that, but she had character. On the show, she's just another girl. I can't connect. Vanessa, I do think is good for Nate, but then again she kind of had a Serena-like effect on him, reminding me NS could be so much better (imo). Plus, if I haven't told you already a billion times, I HATE contrivances. Jackie/Fez left such a bad taste in my mouth. But, just in general too.

See, the thing about Penn/Blake is their story reminds me more of NS, if anything. They were long time friends that eventually found love. I think it's cute that Dustin/Jessica from 90210 are dating but that doesn't mean I want it to effect what happens on the show. I won't say who I ship though (because I don't really care enough to ship any of them together), cause I guess we should leave 90210 out of it.

Laura:
That way we can have our own little convo.

Sorry about the writing stuff, have you been on when Keri was on? I haven't seen her in a while.

How are you poop?

Our next title should be Dude, where's NS?

Dude where's my car anyone?

♥ Laura ♥ · 11-13-2008, 06:06 AM

Me too Nia. I really want to see Serena's father.

Wow I'm special. Having a "little" convo :

I would write loads if I could be bothered lol. I love readin your insights though. You're all so articulate (cant spell).

Yes Kerri has really long posts which are always so awesome to read. I miss her

She was my optimism buddy back in the day of optimism lol.

Freak haha. I can hear it in my head now the way he says it. Duuude where's NS?

I have to eat lunch. Be back sooon

SergeantPepper · 11-13-2008, 06:12 AM

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She was seriously kick ass in the books, for real. Come on, combat boots and a shaved head. I would NEVER do that, but she had character.

In a way... they degraded EVERY character from the book in the show - except for Chuck. Chuck, they elevated times a million.

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I think it's cute that Dustin/Jessica from 90210 are dating but that doesn't mean I want it to effect what happens on the show.

I do.

But that's because I was a Silver/Ethan shipper first and foremost - before I found out about them dating. Heehee.

I can't join in the big convos today because I'm having loads with the IMDb Harry Potter arguments right now.