Fan Forum
Remember Me?
Register

  New Forum Poll   |     Request a Forum   |     View New Forums

Reply   Post New Thread
 
Forum Affiliates Thread Tools
Old 10-06-2018, 05:25 AM
  #226
Fan Forum Hero

 
BlackWhiteRose's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 57,680
__________________
~My top ships: Brennan/Booth, Shamy, Penny/Leonard, Buffy/Angel, Willow/Tara, Valerie/David, Kelly/Dylan, Ross/Rachel, Angela/Hodgins, Piper/Leo, Jessica/James~
BlackWhiteRose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2018, 05:59 AM
  #227
Elite Fan

 
yulan's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 25,451
I guess that pic was supposed to go to Tiffani's thread It's nice.

I laugh at Val's S5 line I posted. I guess it was when she wanted to take notes from Kelly, but K did not let her do it. Was it for Finley's class?
__________________


Brenda stands alone. Because she can.
Icon by oth. fan
yulan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2018, 06:55 AM
  #228
Fan Forum Hero

 
heyitsrachel's Avatar

Moderator of ...
Beverly Hills 90210
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 54,656
Quote:
Originally Posted by yulan (View Post)
I guess that pic was supposed to go to Tiffani's thread It's nice.

I laugh at Val's S5 line I posted. I guess it was when she wanted to take notes from Kelly, but K did not let her do it. Was it for Finley's class?

Great pic!

No, the caps were from 5x16 - Sentenced to Life. Val and Kelly had a class together. Val ditched almost the entire semester and wanted to borrow Kelly's notes for an exam. Kelly says no because it wouldn't be fair for her since she attended every class.

I saw this as another stepping stone in them being even bigger enemies.
heyitsrachel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2018, 07:25 AM
  #229
Elite Fan

 
yulan's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 25,451
thanks! Kelly was so stuck up there, oh my. I wonder how she passed junior year's exams without borrowing anyone's notes from classes she missed when she was on cocaine. But it must have been different for her, of course. Val's going through crisis after her father's death is to be taken less seriously than anything Kelly experienced.

I do not particularly like Val, but quite often I just have to cheer for her against Kelly
__________________


Brenda stands alone. Because she can.
Icon by oth. fan
yulan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2018, 04:40 PM
  #230
Fan Forum Hero

 
heyitsrachel's Avatar

Moderator of ...
Beverly Hills 90210
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 54,656
I do get where Kelly is coming from. She's got her reasons. 1. She hates Val. 2. She doesn't feel right for sharing her notes when she had to attend all the classes and did all the notes.

For the record, Val did pass. Also, Kelly overslept on the day of the exam. Val called her to wake her up. And then after Kelly thanked her, Val said "Hey, you would've done the same for me, right?" Eh, I doubt that Kelly would've called you, Val.
heyitsrachel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2018, 06:26 PM
  #231
Loyal Fan
 
Lesask's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 1,059
Quote:
Originally Posted by yulan (View Post)
thanks! Kelly was so stuck up there, oh my. I wonder how she passed junior year's exams without borrowing anyone's notes from classes she missed when she was on cocaine. But it must have been different for her, of course. Val's going through crisis after her father's death is to be taken less seriously than anything Kelly experienced.

I do not particularly like Val, but quite often I just have to cheer for her against Kelly
I don’t agree. You are in college, not high school. You don’t get a free pass for not attending classes. Besides, Valerie wasn’t Kelly’s friend, so I don’t see why also she had to lend her her notes. The fact that you mention Kelly’s addictions as if they meant nothing is not very empathetic. Both Kelly and Valerie had a troubled upbringing, but Valerie was just a mean, nasty person. Life problems aren’t an excuse to be like that to other people. My opinion anyways.

Quote:
Originally Posted by heyitsrachel (View Post)
I do get where Kelly is coming from. She's got her reasons. 1. She hates Val. 2. She doesn't feel right for sharing her notes when she had to attend all the classes and did all the notes.

For the record, Val did pass. Also, Kelly overslept on the day of the exam. Val called her to wake her up. And then after Kelly thanked her, Val said "Hey, you would've done the same for me, right?" Eh, I doubt that Kelly would've called you, Val.
Agree.

Last edited by KingMikeTarzan; 10-21-2018 at 10:47 AM
Lesask is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2018, 12:52 AM
  #232
Elite Fan

 
yulan's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 25,451
Quote:
Both Kelly and Valerie had a troubled upbringing, but Valerie was just a mean, nasty person. Life problems aren’t an excuse to be like that to other people.
Val was not simply mean, nasty person. She had more troubles than Kelly in that period, they were just not acknowledged and overemphasized as Kelly's. What were Val's problems in that period? Her father's death. What were Kelly's problems in that period? She was... too pretty. Kelly's got to be a branded victim of the show, and her troubles and problems were used as means to justify when she was mean and nasty. She was troubled, but also very privileged.

Quote:
For the record, Val did pass. Also, Kelly overslept on the day of the exam. Val called her to wake her up. And then after Kelly thanked her, Val said "Hey, you would've done the same for me, right?" Eh, I doubt that Kelly would've called you, Val.
I forgot about that. Fantastic.

I always gave my notes to the other people. Never thought it was a big deal.
__________________


Brenda stands alone. Because she can.
Icon by oth. fan

Last edited by yulan; 10-07-2018 at 01:08 AM
yulan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2018, 04:31 AM
  #233
Loyal Fan
 
Lesask's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 1,059
Nop sorry, I don’t agree. I know that Valerie had her own share of problems but that’s no excuse to act the way she acted. It doesn’t matter whether Valerie was having more problems than Kelly at the time or not. They both had ordeals that they went through, the timing is not relevant. The fact that you say that Kelly’s problems were that she was too pretty means that you didn’t watch the show or you just forgot. An Absent father, a mother with addictions and bringing different guys every day, an eating disorder, survived a fire and was left with scars... Whereas you just keep bringing Valerie’s father. Everyone who watched the show saw the things that Valerie did and said. I know that you are her fan and that’s fine, but like I said, she was the one inherently mean and nasty, not Kelly. If Kelly was ever mean to her it’s because she deserved it. And priviledged and snobby? Yeah, she was but in earlier seasons just like Steve was too. That was their upbringing, what did you expect?

Last edited by Lesask; 10-07-2018 at 04:46 AM
Lesask is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2018, 04:45 AM
  #234
Elite Fan

 
yulan's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 25,451
Quote:
They both had ordeals that they went through, the timing is not relevant.
Timing is relevant, because we were discussing a specific period - mid-season 5, when the scene I posted took place.

Quote:
The fact that you say that Kelly’s problems were that she was too pretty means that you didn’t watch the show or you just forgot. An Absent father, a mother with addictions and bringing different guys every day, an eating disorder, survived a fire and was left with scars... Whereas you just keep bringing Valerie’s father. Everyone who watched the show saw the things that Valerie did and say.
I mentioned, and emphasized very clearly, problems they had in that specific period. Problems one had since childhood, like those you listed for Kelly, cannot be an eternal excuse for everything forever. And they were used that way for Kelly.

Quote:
I know that you are her fan and that’s fine,
As a matter of fact, I am not, I just see her as less privileged than Kelly, so I tend to often cheer for her against Kelly.

Quote:
but like I said, she was the one inherently mean and nasty, not Kelly.
See, I do not think she was inherently mean and nasty. It is hard to say what is inherent in any person, and what is a product of upbringing etc. I do not use such qualifications (like inherent) at all. i do not think any of the characters were supposed to be inherently mean and nasty.

Quote:
If Kelly was ever mean to her it’s because she deserved it.
Sometimes yes, sometimes not. Certainly not in the beginning.

Quote:
And priviledged and snobby? Yeah, she was but in earlier seasons just like Steve was too. That was their upbringing, what did you expect?
I'd expect her to be less self-righteous based on privilege and less snobby by S5, because she was supposed to be reformed, but she was not really. Her snobbery only changed to include intellectual pretensions.
__________________


Brenda stands alone. Because she can.
Icon by oth. fan
yulan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2018, 05:22 AM
  #235
Loyal Fan
 
Lesask's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 1,059
Quote:
They both had ordeals that they went through, the timing is not relevant.
Timing is relevant, because we were discussing a specific period - mid-season 5, when the scene I posted took place.
Yet you mentioned Kelly’s cocaine problems when they didn’t happen in that season that you are referring.

Quote:
I mentioned, and emphasized very clearly, problems they had in that specific period. Problems one had since childhood, like those you listed for Kelly, cannot be an eternal excuse for everything forever. And they were used that way for Kelly.
You don’t know how psychology works do you? A person with problems experienced since childhood who don’t go to therapy or receive any other kind of help in order to overcome them, are simply dragged throughout adulthood.

Quote:
As a matter of fact, I am not, I just see her as less privileged than Kelly, so I tend to often cheer for her against Kelly.
I think it’s clear who was and was not priviledged on the show. If you lean more towards Valerie because she was less priviledged as you mention, that’s your prerrogative, but also a prejudice against “snobby and priviledged” as you keep mentioning it.

Quote:
See, I do not think she was inherently mean and nasty. It is hard to say what is inherent in any person, and what is a product of upbringing etc. I do not use such qualifications (like inherent) at all. i do not think any of the characters were supposed to be inherently mean and nasty.
That’s subjective.

Quote:
Sometimes yes, sometimes not. Certainly not in the beginning.
The beginning of what? Season 5? That’s called having intuition. Kelly wasn’t wrong about Valerie. And if you think that it was ok for her to lie to Cindy and Jim, smoke a joint at their house, hook up with Dylan and Steve at the same time are not reasons enough not to like her or trust her, well...

Quote:
I'd expect her to be less self-righteous based on privilege and less snobby by S5, because she was supposed to be reformed, but she was not really. Her snobbery only changed to include intellectual pretensions.
All the characters were still going through pshysical and emotional maturity. I don’t know what exactly you were expecting. Why was she supposed to be reformed? According to whom? You? But again, you keep mentioning the words snobby, priviledge. You clearly have an issue with that.

Anyways, you have your opinion, I have mine. However, I don’t think we’ll share a common ground when it comes to these two characters, which is fine, so I’ll just leave it at that.
Lesask is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2018, 06:07 AM
  #236
Loyal Fan
 
Lesask's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 1,059



Lesask is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-19-2018, 06:53 AM
  #237
Fan Forum Hero

 
heyitsrachel's Avatar

Moderator of ...
Beverly Hills 90210
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 54,656
Awkward for Clare. But I'm sure she's use to them going at it.
heyitsrachel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2018, 07:15 AM
  #238
Fan Forum Hero

 
BlackWhiteRose's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 57,680
Loved that scene.
__________________
~My top ships: Brennan/Booth, Shamy, Penny/Leonard, Buffy/Angel, Willow/Tara, Valerie/David, Kelly/Dylan, Ross/Rachel, Angela/Hodgins, Piper/Leo, Jessica/James~
BlackWhiteRose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-20-2018, 11:19 PM
  #239
Loyal Fan
 
Lesask's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 1,059
She was used to it.
Lesask is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-21-2018, 10:47 AM
  #240
Master Fan

 
KingMikeTarzan's Avatar

Moderator of ...
Beverly Hills 90210
 
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 11,772
Cool
__________________
Fan of Beverly Hills 90210, Fresh Prince of Bel Air and A Different World:
Couples that I ship: Whitley/Dwayne (A Different World), Will/Lisa (Fresh Prince Of Bel Air), JR/Sue Ellen (Dallas), Cliff/Claire (The Cosby Show), Martin/Gina (Martin) Brenda/Dylan and Brandon/Kelly (Beverly Hills 90210), Monica/Chandler (Friends)
Huge Fan of 60s,70s,80s,90s, 2000s R+B, HipHop and Motown music
KingMikeTarzan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply   Post New Thread

Bookmarks


Forum Affiliates
Tiffani Thiessen Connection
Thread Tools



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:59 PM.

Fan Forum  |  Contact Us  |  Fan Forum on Twitter  |  Fan Forum on Facebook  |  Archive  |  Top

Powered by vBulletin, Copyright © 2000-2018.

Copyright © 1998-2018, Fan Forum.


TEST