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The episode was OK but I wasn't too keen on it - there were much better episodes in S1, IMO. Good to see Matthew Perry in that episode.
Brandon was sweet but I actually liked the fact that they made his character become arrogant - it does happen but he was generally a good guy. Everyone has faults like Mr Perfect Womanizer himself. Brandon and Andrea in S1 weren't stuck up but came from humble backgrounds. Kelly had a rich sexual history but every girl wants to be her, every guy wants to nail her. She was deemed as this rich, spoilt, bratty and very popular girl from HS. Funny enough though, I really liked Kelly this season and in S2 as well - she didn't get on my nerves at all in the first 2 seasons and could have potentially been my favorite female character on the show but stuff happens __________________
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Season 1 is a mixed bag. I think it's the worst season of the first four "original gang" ones.
It's very interesting to watch the relationship set-ups in season 1 that ultimately went nowhere. Brenda/Andrea - It's really obvious that, of any of the girls, Brenda was initially suppose to be Andrea's girlfriend. They spend a lot more time together in season 1, and the summer between the school years, than later. By the time you get to season 4 and Andrea gives Brenda the muffler as a going away present these two are totally strained and don't seem like friends at all. Scott/Everyone - Self explanatory. Andrea/Steve - It's obvious that their impromptu make out session was suppose to be seeds for a later exploration. One that unfortunately never came. Brandon/Andrea - It's obvious that this was suppose to go fully romantic at some point. Even as a kid I remember a lot of people just assuming they'd get together. They had a pretty big following. I did read somewhere that the intention for season 4 was for them to finally go there, but Gabrielle's pregnancy shifted everything. Not sure how true that was. Steve/Kelly - Few people seem to recall that they slept together again during season 1. Looking back, considering that there was no Kelly/Dylan or Kelly/Brandon during the first season, it seemed like Kelly and Steve were the logical conclusion. Not even that they'd be this great couple, but I do think there's more than enough to support the idea that the writers were open to reuniting them. |
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But the 2 years behind thing does make sense since in the pilot, Brenda tells Jason that she's a junior (instead of a sophomore). The spinoff possibly was definitely an idea with Herbert, Sue, and Nikki. That never happend though. __________________
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But I really had a problem with the way she reflected on her sexual past from S3 onwards. She got into such an intense self-loathing, and she never fully processed it as a self-loathing also, but into projection of everything she hated about herself on the other women (Valerie was a prime example). She hated her previous self so much, and never made a peace with it. The closer she was to the lead female role, the more show got into whitewashing of her past, and blaming everyone around for things about Kelly which could not be a good example for the kids watching the show. That leads me back to your first question - no, show never actually had a relaxed attitude about sex, and Kelly was one of the central figures in the manifestation of it. Leading ladies had to be prude in that sense. Donna stayed eternal virgin (ok, not literally ), Brenda had to do a lot of psychological preparation for first sex, and Kelly had to get into rigid routine of having sex strictly with people she loved. The only way for her to have sex with someone she did not love was to be raped. As Charles Rosin said, "We had this wonderful character named Brenda Walsh who was a proof that a girl could have sex without being a ****". According to the moral of the show, even more, girl had to be sure that THE GUY is in love with her so she could have sex with him and not be considered a ****. That was a premise in the beginning, and later it changed, but only because characters became adults. While Kelly was Brenda's sidekick, she served exactly as this opposite example - girl who has sex with someone for whom she is not exactly sure she's in love with, and who definitely does not love her, automatically becomes a ****. I think morale of her story was - girls, be careful of who you have first time with, because that will define you forever. If it's a guy who does not truly love you, it can only be a disaster. Look at Kelly, she did not do it right. Look at Brenda (lead character, wink wink), she did it right. Quote:
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But then came S2, which cast some new shadows on S1. So busy with the love-hate dance with Steve, we didn't get to see Kelly in sexual/romantic entanglements S1 that began anew or required any kind of assertiveness to protect herself or could demonstrate her healthy attitude towards relationships and sex. What we got was the alarming confession of date rape to build on "Perfect Mom" in explaining the occasional dichotomy between public and private impressions of her life/how she's feeling, and two years of virtual celibacy from a girl who's 'boy crazy' -- punctuated by events like in S2's "Summer Storm", where she prematurely and quite embarrassingly strips naked for Kyle because she doesn't know what to expect from a guy who is not out to primarily use her for sex, or at least do so before getting to know her. She was clearly still messed up from her time with boys pre-series. Quote:
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I am not sure I see Halloween as a vehicle to propel Kelly's self-loathing. She took a lot of blame for sexual assault on herself, but I think Brenda, Donna, Dylan and Steve did a good job persuading and explaining to her (and audience) why it was not. They especially emphasized an importance of saying "no". I guess that is why her experience with Ross Weber was never called a date rape (at least I think it was not), not even in later seasons when Kelly was completely victimized - it was never mentioned that she said no or did not really want to sleep with him. But I don't want to venture there at the moment. I guess that Halloween episode was supposed to be a big milestone for Kelly, showing us that she "learned something" - not just how to say no, but in general not to throw herself at men, because she kept rejecting them a whole episode, and Brenda told her she was proud of her for that. It was a counterpoint to Summer Storm. Quote:
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This is one my least fave seasons to re-watch tbh. A lot of the early eps bore me a bit. The only one's off the top of my head that I enjoy as a whole are "A Fling In Palm Springs", "Isn't It Romantic", and "Spring Dance".
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I enjoyed s1 as an intro season. Overall, I enjoyed it. I do prefer the other seasons more because they get in more of the couple issues but it's also nice to have a season without much couple triangle issues.
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That's a great collage!
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