emesoohci

Hey, guys.

I like your analysis, January. That's totally how I feel about what happened.

playgroundDiaries

Yes! In the beginning of "Castles In the Sand". What else could, "You want me to tell B about us?", said with the tone he had, mean? And the context was him trying to convince her not to break things off, like, 'Alright, if that's the obstacle, you want me to take care of it? I will.' And in one of the BH annuals , they have a script excerpt from that page and it says that in that moment, had K asked him to break up with B, he would have. Still doesn't mean, though, that Kelly would have enough faith to trust he'd go through with it once B returned, but that's typical Kelly. Especially scared and lookin' for excuses Kelly. Whom I totally love for it, don't get me wrong.
Yes again! Not necessarily that he was deeply in love with Kel (I think that took more than a summer), but he did love her and want a relationship with her. The whole keeping secrets thing was initially K's idea. He had a pissy, 'whatever floats your boat' attitude ("whatever gets you through the night" is what he actually says ), and checks up on her once their plan is in motion to make sure she has no regrets. She obviously does, but is still unwilling to change things, for the protection of everyone.

I had considered this, for the period once she was back, and think there's some truth to him second-guessing things (if not, there wouldn't even be a triangle post-breakup), but I think he was still willing to give it a go if Kelly had agreed. Yeah, guilt/accountability doesn't really become Dylan. LOL. I wonder if he was too afraid to step up to that.

emesoohci

I still never saw it as Kelly having any sort of real option of going off with Dylan at that point for the reasons I stated before. It's a pattern of behavior with her throughout the series. She denies her real feelings to keep from hurting someone else. She does it many times over the course of 10 years when she's confronted with some sort of triangle. The fact is Dylan never said, at that time, that he wasn't in love with Brenda anymore. Even if he had, she still would have had a hard time convincing herself that hooking up with Dylan was a good idea. She always tried to reason things out before following her heart and it got in the way there just like it would time and time again throughout the show until the finale.

ride the lightning

Morning girls Lets finish this thread off today

playgroundDiaries

Though it's weird cause I see that, I see your whole point, but at the same time believed there was so much more going on. I unloaded in the "Destiny Rides Again" episode discussion, wherever that thread is now. Well, if Kelly couldn't cite Brenda for anything and Dylan was just Dylan, do you think she would still have trouble entering into a formal relationship with him?

emesoohci

Do you mean if Brenda didn't care and wasn't a factor?

ride the lightning

Exactly, he never said he was going to break up with her either, he said he would tell her if Kelly wants .. so I feel he didn't really want to tell her himself he only wanted to do it for Kelly.

Thats probably because technically it wasn't a good idea

playgroundDiaries

Oh my god. What would he be implying the point was in telling B if not so they could come clean and be free? Free to be together. Why would he want them to experience the wrath from B for them having the fling for only that purpose, with them still not ending up together? Dylan was always in the position of thinking that if it's unnecessary to tell, it shouldn't be told.

If she didn't even exist.

emesoohci

Well, if she didn't exist they might have started going out two years earlier or that summer or never at all. That's getting pretty abstract if you think about it in the grand scheme of the entire show, but as far as if their first date had been in "Rebel With a Cause", then nothing would have stopped her from dating him. She was in love with him and he was in love with her. Brenda was the 800 lb gorilla in the room the whole summer and until they came clean in "Back in the High Life Again". There wouldn't have been anyone for Kelly to worry about hurting if Brenda wasn't around.

ride the lightning

Well the book has made me feel different, I think he wanted the best of both worlds .. oh I am not going to explain it to you, you'll just stick up for Dylan. I don't necessarily think he wanted to come clean and be with Kelly to be honest, not at that stage anyway.

emesoohci

That's a good point, Court, because he shows his desire to have the best of both worlds in "It's a Totally Happening Life" (why can't they have short episode names?). I don't think it was until after he really thought about it and took some time to himself that he knew what he really wanted...Kelly.

playgroundDiaries

I think it's a fear of intimacy story for Kelly through and through. Dylan's the one who cracks that. Brenda is real, but mostly used as an excuse. K would find something else if need be.

And beyond that, Kelly's afraid of unwittingly falling into old patterns, bringing weight to her reputation, something she continues to bring up. If Dylan were to ever fit the mold as someone she allowed to exploit her, she would not know how to live with herself. It would be the last straw, cause if anyone would seem not that type it was him (and he was a friend). I don't think Kelly was ready to find out if she could trust herself at that point/be strong enough if she got hurt. And on the same note, she knew Dylan. She knew that, chances are, there was no game being played in the sense that he took her seriously and would love her seriously ... and that in itself scared her immensely.

emesoohci

Her concern for her reputation in the context that she mentions it isn't a fear of intimacy, but a fear of looking like a bimbo for sleeping with someone else's boyfriend or very recent ex. She certainly had no problems getting close to Jake just a few weeks prior, so why would she suddenly develop this fear of getting involved with someone else? I don't think she ever would have hestitated if this had just been single Dylan that she had a major crush on her whole life. She knew he wasn’t like the guys that had used her before.

I'll grant that Dylan's love did scare her later on and she, at times, tries to sabotage their relationship or write it off as nothing but physical, but never to the point that it really came between them. In fact, it brought them closer.

As far as the end of "Rebel With a Cause", she does doubt why Dylan is with her, and it's because of Brenda. She isn't making up an excuse, she just saw firsthand what was really going on and it sent her back into her habit of analyzing things. What was Dylan really feeling? Do I want to ruin my friendship with Brenda? I just walked out the door, but I don’t have my car so how am I going to get home?

ride the lightning

I think when he said to Kelly that he would tell Brenda he didn't really mean it as such, I think he just put it out there to see her reaction .. I don't think he was really thinking clearly at that stage. Sure he developed deep feelings for the girl but he still had deep feelings for Brenda, if he didn't I think he would have broken up with Brenda shortly after she came back, he wasn't with her for convience at that stage, he wasn't afraid of being lonely, he still had feelings for her but it got to breaking point because he developed much stronger feelings for Kelly, which was a damn good thing. He ended up losing intrest in Brenda.

I have no idea where that conversation was going.



I love Dy/K ..

Exactly how I see it

emesoohci

He did just lose interest in Brenda. That's why he was always staring at Kelly when the three of them were together. "Ah, what I could have.....".