Battlestar Galactica - Humans vs. Cylons: Where do you stand?

Subject · 01-31-2007, 06:31 PM

There are times when we see either group/characters act in a way that changes the way we have felt about them. Roslin lying to Helo and Athena about Hera, the rape and torture of the Six on Pegasus, Baltar giving Six (Pegasus) a nuke, Cylon occupation of New Caprica, Roslin tryng to rig the election, Adama going against Admiral Cain, not to mention large question of who started this war and ect...

During those times who did you stand with?

To start us off I'll bring up the issue of the rape/torture of Six on Pegasus. Was that action just? Can you rape a machine? Should Cylons have the same rights as humans?

**BehrItAll** · 01-31-2007, 09:12 PM

Ok now that was a total spoiler for me

I didn't get that far on the dvds.
Who rapes her?

Subject · 01-31-2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BehrItAll (View Post)

Ok now that was a total spoiler for me

I didn't get that far on the dvds.
Who rapes her?

Sorry about that. I'll put the answer in spoiler tags. Read at your own risk.

Spoiler:

The crew of Battlestar Pegasus

**BehrItAll** · 01-31-2007, 09:23 PM

That's ok
I know I take a risk coming into some of the discussion threads when I haven't seen all of season 2 yet.

Even if she is a Cylon that's not right.
How graphic does it get?

Subject · 01-31-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BehrItAll (View Post)

Even if she is a Cylon that's not right.
How graphic does it get?

We don't see the rape just know that it took place. Although I haven't watch my dvd copy of the episode yet which says is an extended version.

**BehrItAll** · 01-31-2007, 09:30 PM

Ohh. so the extended scenes are added right into the episode? It's not a feature in a seperate menu?

Subject · 01-31-2007, 09:36 PM

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Ohh. so the extended scenes are added right into the episode? It's not a feature in a seperate menu?

I am not sure. I have Season 2.5 and it says "Exclusive Extended Version: of midseason cliffhanger episode Pegasus"

If your against the rape then I assume that you believe Cylons should have basic human rights? If so.... wait, how far are you in BSG? Have you seen this current season?

**BehrItAll** · 01-31-2007, 09:40 PM

I've kept up with season 3

caught up with the miniseries and seaons 1
and only saw the first 4 episodes of season 2.0 so far.

So I have about 2 -3 more discs worth before I get to the extended Pegasus.

Well what was her reaction to it? Was she shaken up and tramtized or did she shake it off like it was nothing?

Subject · 01-31-2007, 09:49 PM

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Well what was her reaction to it? Was she shaken up and tramtized or did she shake it off like it was nothing?

She was broken..almost like an abused dog. She didn't move, talk, trust, ect... the look in her eyes..it was very hard to watch. Pegasus had her as a captive for a long time before finding Galactica and the fleet. I don't think we will ever begin to know all the horrors that she went through.

If your against the rape then I assume that you believe Cylons should have basic human rights? If so then you were against Roslin and Apollo's plan to wipe out the entire Cylon network with that virus?

migamoo · 01-31-2007, 10:08 PM

According to the rapists, you cannot rape a machine. But I disagree. You can rape anything, people, ideas, land, ect. It depends on the slight change in context that you use the word in.

**BehrItAll** · 01-31-2007, 10:09 PM

If it was hard to watch her reaction and she was broken by it then she has feelings.
Maybe the should have the same rights. And not all of them are evil toasters.
Sharon/Athena loves Helo and her daughter and chose to live with thh humans. Maybe its her programing but I like to think it is her choice.

Maybe I am an idealist who would like to see them live in harmony with equal rights

but I doubt that will ever happen.
Some groups are just going to fight on opposite sides till the end of time.
and what kind of show would it be without a constant war.

**BehrItAll** · 01-31-2007, 10:11 PM

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According to the rapists, you cannot rape a machine. But I disagree. You can rape anything, people, ideas, land, ect. It depends on the slight change in context that you use the word in.

ahh very good point

I pains me to hear that she was raped.

**chrissy1302** · 02-01-2007, 03:28 AM

It was very hard to watch it. She was really broken.

I found it harder to watch them abuse/rape Six on the Pegasus than watching the people on the Galactica planing genocide with the virus agianst the Cylon. What does that say about me? Or is it even genocide when you're opponent is not human?

I Shall Believe · 02-01-2007, 01:43 PM

I completely disagree with the rape of Six/Gina on Pegasus. Even when someone is your enemy and you are at war there is supposed th be a level fo decorum held. (I know that principles during a war are a little ironic). I was absolutely isckened by that episode and the whole Pegasus crew in general, especially seeing what is then tired on Sharon/Athena.

I overall ave to come down on the side of the humans (and not just because I am one). The cylons destroyed the colonies, used women as baby machines (quite like rape isn't it), hounded the colonials throughout many FTL jumps, turned New Caprica into a nightmare where they detained and (attempted to)executed people.

As for Gaius Baltar, if I was Roslin I would have airlocked him a long time ago.

Raini

Subject · 02-01-2007, 04:23 PM

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Or is it even genocide when you're opponent is not human?

If it's not genocide because they aren't human then it wouldn't be rape either. Ashley says that you can rape anything but I don't think that applies to the "type" of rape that we talking about.

I think the fact is that the humans come to ignore their own rules when dealing with the Cylon threat. Not only because they are fighting for the survival of their race but because they don't see them as equals.

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I overall ave to come down on the side of the humans (and not just because I am one). The cylons destroyed the colonies, used women as baby machines (quite like rape isn't it), hounded the colonials throughout many FTL jumps, turned New Caprica into a nightmare where they detained and (attempted to)executed people.

All those things are true but in the case of the Cylons, they were like "slaves" who fought back against their masters. Then with the knowledge that the humans may have been the one who broke the terms of their peace. I can't say that I see them as such bad people. Just a new people really trying to find their path.

What do you all think of Roslin's action of hiding Hera from Athena and Helo?