Battlestar Galactica - BSG 4x03 - "The Ties that Bind" Episode Discussion

***Strider*** · 04-16-2008, 06:15 PM

Welcome to the 'the ties that bind' episode discussion thread

This is the episode #3 of 10 in BSG S4.0 It's scheduled to air on Friday, April 18th at 10pm EST on sci-fi channel.

Here is the official episode summary provided by the sci-fi channel:

While Kara Thrace commands a lone freighter in her desperate search for Earth, political intrigue and marital discord aboard the Galactica are paralleled by deep rifts in the Cylon's solidarity

You can view the trailer for the episode here.

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migamoo · 04-16-2008, 07:37 PM

So, just from the preview, it should be really interesting. I especially loved how Natalie had to say "please" to a Centurian.

***Strider*** · 04-16-2008, 08:44 PM

I must be the only one to actually side with the human cylons on this, but I don't believe Natalie should have to say please to a metal machine. That would be like me saying please to my car?

migamoo · 04-16-2008, 08:53 PM

I don't know. Centurians were programmed to follow the human models. But they do have free will and free thought now. So, it could be considered different now, they could be considered sentient beings.

***Strider*** · 04-17-2008, 06:09 AM

Yeah, it would be a real shame if your dog turned on you

Boomer said of the raider, you have to treat it like a pet, and pets don't have free will. We love them, but at the end of the day, if they don't listen to us and make our life a living hell...we get rid of them.

migamoo · 04-18-2008, 08:04 PM

Seriously, if they had killed Nicky, I probably wouldn't have watched the show again.

**LilMouse** · 04-18-2008, 08:06 PM

I am really interested in ~~hearing~~ reading people's opinions on Tory now.

I am so glad they didn't kill Nicky. I do wonder if Callie could've come to terms with Tyrol or if she would've stayed away from him and blabbed to everyone about what he is.

=-Kathy-> · 04-18-2008, 08:27 PM

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I am really interested in ~~hearing~~ reading people's opinions on Tory now.

I think Tory said it to Gaelen -- that she was getting used to the idea of being a cylon and that she was excited about exploring these emotions and other aspects of herself. Maybe Gaius unleashed the emotional, sexual part of her cause she was coming onto Gaelen in the bar.

I think she was being honest with Callie and also trying to calm her so she wouldn't kill the baby. But as soon as she had the baby safe she let her true feelings for Callie show. I think she saw Callie as a loose canon and a threat.

As soon as Nicki went to Tory he quickly stopped crying. I think Callie's out of control emotions were affecting him.

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I am so glad they didn't kill Nicky. I do wonder if Callie could've come to terms with Tyrol or if she would've stayed away from him and blabbed to everyone about what he is.

If Tory hadn't come along both Callie and Nicki would have been dead.

**LilMouse** · 04-18-2008, 08:37 PM

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I think she saw Callie as a loose canon and a threat.

Getting rid of Callie was her survival instincts getting in gear.

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As soon as Nicki went to Tory he quickly stopped crying. I think Callie's out of control emotions were affecting him.

I noticed that too. I was thinking maybe he could sense something was different about her and that soothed him.

I just feel really bad to Tyrol now. He's a single dad.

during the Kara/Sam scene I was like "No, Sam, be strong. Don't be a booty call."

=-Kathy-> · 04-18-2008, 08:44 PM

I always wondered why Kara had married Sam right after she and Lee spent the night together on NC. I think we now know part of the reason -- that he was safe and easy. Lee would have been complicated and Kara has spent her whole life escaping complicated.

In a Vipor it's simple -- life and death, shoot or be shot. When she's not flying Kara drinks too much to escape. She ran from her mother, from seeing her die, from a more complicated relationship with Lee and from her destiny until Leoben got her to accept it.

Hopefully she's turned a corner and won't run any more.

Right now Kara is sounding an awful lot like Buffy did when she was brought back from "heaven" after she died -- disconnected and wanting to feel.

The atmosphere on the Demetrius is getting tense, maybe to the point of mutiny. Next week's episode should be good.

**LilMouse** · 04-18-2008, 08:47 PM

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maybe to the point of mutiny.

oh no! well we all know Sam's got Kara's back no matter what.

I just wished she'd make up her mind. Either be with Sam and don't treat him like crap or go to Lee and deal with the complications.

Subject · 04-18-2008, 10:22 PM

I agree with some of the points already made and still have some catching up to do with my responses to this episode and the last one.

I just want to say that I did miss Baltar and seeing him with Tori this episode. Also, I can't wait for next weeks!? Saul Tigh and Caprica Six... that is going to be intense!

**crazy_diamond** · 04-19-2008, 04:54 AM

Well Oh my ding dong!

All sorts going on in this eppy. Basically half of the people in this episode you can't trust. That Troy is a manipulative cow!, I thought that for a while and the scene with her and Tyrrol at the beginning just confirmed it. I think she is going to be the evilest of the 4.

Poor Cally

, at the end scene I just though no don't give her the baby! and I wondered why she didn't go to the Old Man when she found out, that would be the first thing I would do. Lovely scene with her and Doc Cottle, and yay Doc Cottle scene!

The government scenes were good, you can tell that there is going to be a rift between Lee and Laura, she doesn't trust him and he, now, does trust her and and also the Vice President trying to stir the pot as well. Also again Bill might be caught in the middle of it.

Good to see Helo and Sharon on the ship with Kara, but I was bit surprised Kaeta is there as well, that's half the Galatica crew on that little ship!, who is going to take control of the vipers when the Galactica is in a battle

Oh Cavil, you trator, I just knew he had something up his sleeve and now when the models die, they are really dead. They have to tread carefully

Great Adama/Roslin scenes although you can see the two different relationship they have, the personnel and the professional. They know which is which

Hum dinger of an eppy

Dingbat · 04-19-2008, 06:09 AM

They killed Cally?!?!? Serioiusly, I missed the epi, but did they actually kill her off? NO! She's one of my favourites!

**LilMouse** · 04-19-2008, 08:52 AM

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They killed Cally?!?!? Serioiusly, I missed the epi, but did they actually kill her off? NO! She's one of my favourites!

my sister was like "No they won't kill her" and I kept saying "they're going to kill her" during that scene.

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The government scenes were good, you can tell that there is going to be a rift between Lee and Laura, she doesn't trust him and he, now, does trust her and and also the Vice President trying to stir the pot as well. Also again Bill might be caught in the middle of it.

if Zarek gets more to do in later eps I really think he'll be the last cylon. And then when Laura dies and he becomes President there will be a cylon president.