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Old 05-16-2007, 01:39 AM
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Sam/John Appreciation Thread #1: Like father, yes, like son

Welcome to the Sam/John Winchester Appreciation Thread.


We discuss about the dynamics of their father/son relationship. We can also talk about the actors Jared Padalecki (Sam) and Jeffrey Dean Morgan (John) and their own actors' relationship.

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Sam's conflicts with his father seem to stem at least in part from their similarities. Stubborn, dogmatic at times, but from season 1's 20th episode called Dead Man's Blood they started to come to a sense of understanding or empathy over their similar situations with Mary & Jess, and their common enemy, The Demon.
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Here's my view on them.

We've seen the first season when the first talk about their father, we saw that Dean and Sam's view on their father is very much different...

SAM: When I told Dad I was afraid of the thing in my closet, he gave me a .45.
DEAN: Well, what was he supposed to do?
SAM: I was nine years old! He was supposed to say "don't be afraid of the dark!"
DEAN: "Don't be afraid of the dark," are you kidding me!? Of course you should be afraid of the dark. You know what's out there!

But I think John, as obssessed as he is in killing the YED, is more afraid of his boys' well being than anything else. When Sam left home for college in S1, John must've thought that Sam would be much vulnerable to the horrors of the world. I believe that John's belief was strength in numbers, that's why whe Sam went aways, John got mad, and drove his son farther away.

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Old 05-16-2007, 07:11 PM
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I wanted to be added Gay.

I agree Gay that John is way more worried about his son's safety than killing the YED.
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But I think John, as obssessed as he is in killing the YED, is more afraid of his boys' well being than anything else. When Sam left home for college in S1, John must've thought that Sam would be much vulnerable to the horrors of the world. I believe that John's belief was strength in numbers, that's why when Sam went aways, John got mad, and drove his son farther away.
That's the way I always saw it too... He was so afraid for Sam, but unable to show his fear, so he released it as anger at him, and ended up driving Sam away from him

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Old 05-16-2007, 08:04 PM
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Exactly. He was afraid that Sam wouldn't be safe if he was off by himself and that's why he was angry at him
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Yep. And unfortunately his anger just happened to set of Sam's volatile temper, and wham, you've got a massive arguement in which a father severs all ties with his son. Very sad.

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Old 05-16-2007, 09:19 PM
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Ya it is really sad that they had to miss out on all those years
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Old 05-16-2007, 09:22 PM
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Yep, all because they're so much alike, so stubborn and occasionally pigheaded Stupid men. At least woman talk, even if they're pissed off with each other, guys just totally shut down.

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Old 05-16-2007, 09:38 PM
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Exactly. They are so much alike which is why when they fight it's so big! I agree men can never talk about anything they are feeling. Damn stubborn men!
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Men are totally stubborn. Like, what is that thing about never asking for directions? What's up with that??

Sorry, a little OT there.

Yea, their fighting style is so similar, that when they fight it's like a freakin explosion or something. Hey, maybe that's what caused the roadhouse to explode. Sam got angry with his dad's ghost, they had a huge fight, next thing ya know, BOOM!

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Old 05-16-2007, 10:00 PM
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Seriously, just ask already!!!!


That so could have been what happened to the Roadhouse
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:15 PM
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I know!! It's like, put your stupid macho man pride aside and just ask... We're lost, in the middle of nowheresville, probably a thousand miles out of our way. Why don't you just ask??

Oh I know! I'm positive that's what happened to the Roadhouse now. Total Sam/John explosive fight!!

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I've added all of us to the first post. Aw, yes, I agree that both men are actually just the same. Sam's more ike his father than Dean is. Sam's stubborness comes from his genes. I think most people didn't understand Sam in Season 1 so they have judged him that he's just so stupid. But then again, after knowing your mum died because of you and your dad got so obsessed with the YEd - then what else would a normal young kid hope for? Of course, to get away. But Sam didn't know that John was only protecting him and Dean. Maybe John knew before why the YED came in the first place. If yes, then he knew so well that Sam might be in grave danger.
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Thanks for adding me Gay.

I agree a lot of people didn't understand Sam in season one but ya I would be totally the same way if that had happened to me
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Yea same here... Especially as his dad didn't tell him everything. John thought he was protecting Sam by not saying anything, but maybe if Sam had known the full situation he wouldn't have left for Stanford.

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