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Spider-Gwen. The CW reveals Arrow, Riverdale, more fall 2018 premiere dates | EW.com

PhoenixRising

Thanks for the link, dragonfire! Can't wait for more Riverdale!

Why don't you just marry Gwen already?

dragonfire

No problem. Me too! I already did.

Make Them Laugh

I saw Spider Porker on another spiderman cartoon too where he met his alternate versions…
they even had an Tony Stark-ish rich spiderman…. if I find it...I'll PM you
I think it was a Christmas spiderman cartoon episode one year

dragonfire

Wasn't the Iron Man type version from the 90's series? Cause I remember in the Beyonder/Madam Web episodes, there was a silver/black Iron Man type Spider-Man. Plus his fiance was Gwen Stacy.

The Darkling

ur belgian waffle with whipped cream ounds amaing alex and tell me what happend in finale for westworlddddddddddddddddd

dave i lov the materchef ep where they all come back the cnestestant and get another chance i like how one guy was eliminated then got another haha im really liking that italian grandmother cooker though part of me i rooting for her even though meant to go for the guys deert week next week

i riverdale time staying the same?


so did fox accept the diney bid?

Make Them Laugh

Lauren- desert week is always fun..the women still outnumber the men...so the women are still favored to be in the final...

PhoenixRising

Hi, Dave! Oh, there was? I wasn't sure how many times Peter Porker was on TV. And thanks. I think Peter's already rich because of the tech company that Doctor Octopus created during the time he was inside Peter's mind and controlling him.

Yeah, I'll bet you did, dragonfire. And are you talking about Iron Man from the 1990's Spider-Man cartoon? I don't remember any other Iron Man because they didn't have an Avengers series until the 2000's. I don't remember the 90's show all that much because I didn't watch it. I was into Batman: The Animated Series.


Hi, Lauren! Thanks, the Belgian waffle was yummy. And the Westworld finale is this Sunday so I'll tell you after that. We haven't heard anything about the Disney/Fox deal yet, Lauren. They're still going over the final details. But Riverdale is gonna be on Wednesday at 8pm, so yes, it's staying at the same time.

I found this cool article on all the literary references that inspired Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy when it came to creating Westworld, aside from Michael Crichton's 1973 movie, that is.

What the Literary References in ‘Westworld’ Might Tell Us About the Finale

William himself is based on a character from Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five(the same book William put his profile card into that his wife found), about a man named Billy Pilgrim(William hates being called Billy), a soldier who survives the firebombing of Dresden in World War II and then becomes “unstuck” in time. Westworld’s disjointed, nonchronological storytelling parallels with Billy’s story in the book. William's love of books is also a reflection of the show runners, Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy, who have William making references to Plutarch and Greek mythology. The Maze is also a reference to Greek mythology, as it comes from Theseus and the Minotaur, which is another Plutarch story about a protagonist trying to find a monster at the center of a maze(Wyatt).

And then there's Romeo and Juliet, which is the inspiration for William and Dolores' story. How do we know that Romeo and Juliet is an inspiration and a reference in the series? "These violent delights have violent ends." This is the most popular phrase in the series, and it comes directly from Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, spoken by Friar Laurence when he secretly marries Romeo and Juliet:

These violent delights have violent ends
And in their triumph die, like fire and powder,
Which, as they kiss, consume. The sweetest honey
Is loathsome in his own deliciousness
And in the taste confounds the appetite.
Therefore love moderately. Long love doth so.
Too swift arrives as tardy as too slow.

And what was the name of the host who met William and Dolores on their journey together in season 1? Lawrence. Like Romeo, William fell in love at first sight and spends half his time asking a guy named Lawrence for help. Also, William’s wife is named Juliet. Instead of William and Dolores’s love being forbidden by warring Capulet and Montague families, it’s the species divide between hosts and humans that derails their relationship. William and Dolores are headed for a showdown in the season finale and may end up with a Romeo and Juliet type ending. Who knows?

And there's also the Biblical references. Ford constantly quotes Genesis and the story of creation - “I don’t think God rested on the seventh day. I think he reveled in his creation, knowing one day it would all be destroyed" - and the flood in the valley can been seen as a reference to the great flood of Noah's ark. There's also Exodus, with the reference of the parting of the Red Sea, and Moses leading the Hebrew slaves from Egypt, which parallels Dolores' journey to find the valley beyond. And perhaps The Forge is a lot like the Ark.

There's also Oedipus Rex, by Sophocles, where The Riddle of the Sphinx(the title of episode 4) is about birth, life, aging, and death - What creature walks on four feet in the morning, two feet at noon, and three feet in the evening? Answer: Man. This references James Delos' quest for immortality. Delos itself is the name of an island in Greek mythology where the Titaness Leto gave birth to Apollo and Artemis, the gods of the sun and moon. And like Oedipus, William accidentally kills a family member, only Oedipus kills his own father, and the realization of this causes him to stab his own eyes out, whereas William cuts into his own arm, wondering if he's even really human.

In Episode 4, James Delos is reading Kurt Vonnegut’s The Siren of Titan, which is about how all of human history culminates in delivering one guy one small metal piece to fix his spaceship. The obvious parallel is that the horror that all of the hosts have gone through in Westworld is just a means to an end for the humans. The main character, Constant, concludes at the end of the book that: “A purpose of human life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love whoever is around to be loved.” This is of course, the key to Maeve's sentience, her love for her daughter.

Make Them Laugh

Alex-- I have to find the video in my Christmas video collection with is a lot of videos.... but I do remember that Nightmare was the villain in the Christmas cartoon episode...

PhoenixRising

Okay, no problem, Dave. Nightmare? Man, I haven't heard of him in a long time. Not since the 80's.

Make Them Laugh

yea...I was surprised to see Nightmare on a Spiderman Christmas special the year it was on

dragonfire

Why don't you marry Felica Hardy? No in the final episodes of the 90's series, Peter teams up with these alternate versions of Spider-Man/Peter Parker. One of them is the silver/black Iron Man type Spider-Man I was talking about earlier. Are you guys talking about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...he_Sinister_6)

PhoenixRising

Oh, I'd love to marry Felicia Hardy. But only if I was Peter Parker.

Yeah, Nightmare is a weird character for a Christmas special, Dave.

I have no idea, dragonfire. Like I said, I didn't watch the 90's show for very long, just some episodes the first year it came out in 1992.

dragonfire

You could be Spider-Man. The Christmas episode with Nightmare aired in 2016 on Disney XD. Plus Mark Hamill did the voice of Nightmare.

Make Them Laugh

do you remember the title Dragonfire...so I can find it for Alex on YT or dailymotion-- freee video sites?