[Eternal Flame]

Personally i think mer is opening up to him but from the last few episodes it seems to me that he doesn't seem to care, he's always either disappointed or calling her strange etc...ever since she started healing herself i really haven't liked how he's been reacting and i guess thats where my issues with him are steaming from.

IMO honestly it's Meredith opening up, but not to Derek. She's opening up to Cristina, but not to him. She's not telling him that much. I think he wants to see those changes, before he believes it..

I think it would hurt Derek even more if he believes the changes but Meredith is not acting on them. It would give him false hope and I think Derek is protecting himself from that.

Because besides Meredith saying that it felt like a clean slate when she drowned, she didn't say much beyond that. She didn't say why she fell back into her 'miserable life' so to speak.

I personally think he needs help fix in her the issues that he created within her too. But i dont see that happening as he apparently Mcdreamy to the writers and they wont acknowledge that he isn't perfect its all meredith's fault.

It's not Derek's place anymore. She didn't ask him to help her, so like he said in the ep he feels like he is not in the position anymore to help Meredith with her issues.
Meredith wanted the Sex and Mockery bit, and he wanted more a few eps ago but she reminded him that there would be no sleepovers, no talking or anything like that. So yeah, if I were in Derek's shoes I'd probably take a step back too and not offering a helping hand when somebody told you earlier that they didn't want you to do that.

Thats just generally how i feel about the relationship i feel mer is always blamed and derek always gets a free pass in terms of her issues and what he's done....

I don't think Meredith is always blamed.. Well she is often blamed, but derek isn't always pictured as the saint either IMO. He also made his mistakes.
I think Meredith is always blamed because she's not moving forward that much. Or at least very slowly.

lol, i cant stop watching the promo its going to be sooo halarious for the cheif to walk in on them, mortifiying for merder but, lol!

Its good to see Mer back at the trailer

[Bella Cullen]

It's not Derek's place anymore. She didn't ask him to help her, so like he said in the ep he feels like he is not in the position anymore to help Meredith with her issues.

he's not in that position anymore because he's also pushed her away, last season where he dosn't want to breath for her....what does the man expect her to come to him, he's created problems all of his own i know how to explain this, what i want to say but him realising in himself that he has created issues between them would probably help meredith a whole too.

I really dont understand derek all that much anymore he sometimes a contradiction....i mean he doesn't want to breathe for her yet he wants her to trust him??? I dont get it you cant have one without a little bit of the other...i wish he'd realise that. I mean for her to trust him he has to breathe for her a little bit to show meredith she can trust him.

I think thats my main issue with him really.

I think the reason why meredith opens up to cristina is because cristina isn't always asking for more than mer can give, she also hasn't hurt her as bad as derek has in the past. (s2) I think thats what derek also needs to realise as well.

[LivvyxBaby]

I can feel that Derek is getting tired of this but what can he do?

[Bella Cullen]

Originally Posted by LivvyxBaby (View Post) I can feel that Derek is getting tired of this but what can he do?

Well for one i dont think he should be making all these pretty speeches that he doesn't seem to stick to for more than a few days.

Maybe he should talk to her then, i dont see her banning him from talking to her or anything like that.

I also think he should stop talking advice from everyone else, maybe thing for himself.

And i think basically BOTH of them should stop freaking telling everyone els what they should say to one another darn it, its just crap writing.

Maybe i fall harder down on Derek because he's supposed to be McDreamy, when i dont think he has been lately. At least meredith is continuously screwed up, that doesn't change, lol. Or maybe im just venting my frustrations out now for the upcoming storyline he'll be in. I am too passionate about these two characters, lol!

[Gio Gio]

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[Tanique33]

meredith has said ad nauseum she has daddy issues, mommy issues and general abandonment issues. issues that she has had way before derek. so, i'm not so sure where derek fits in there.

i think making up issues, is unfair. let's just go with what the character actually said. she did not add derek to her list of issues, so i don't see where he contributed. was it when he fished her out of the water? was it when he tried to reach out to her countless times? was it when he let her dictate the boundaries of their relationship, despite himself?

everyone has bumps in relationships, but the idea that addison damaged mer so much is a bit out there. and i'm not going to guess, rather go with what she says from her mouth, which is her parents are the root of her problems, NOT derek.

i guess we are all different in the personal responsibility area. no one can help you if you dont want to be helped and people can't be mind readers. when mer wants to get help and change, she'll do it for her. CLEARLY, derek can't do that for her. same for him, the only person that can get him out of his situation is him. when he is fed up enough he'll change it.

i'm seeing the bottom line is people are just choosing not to see merideth's issues run deeper than a romantic relationship she is having. so, i suppose there is not much else to say. some people will just be stuck on its derek's fault, or he has more responsibility for mer than she has for herself.

[Eternal Flame]

he's not in that position anymore because he's also pushed her away, last season where he dosn't want to breath for her....what does the man expect her to come to him, he's created problems all of his own i know how to explain this, what i want to say but him realising in himself that he has created issues between them would probably help meredith a whole too.

What problem did he create?! He was there for Meredith all the way, he wanted to talk with her about stuff but she went to Cristina and even George. She shut him out last season. For example when she was numb when she had to take that test, he knew nothing about how she felt in that moment and others did. That hurts.

and him not being able to breath for her anymore.. well I still think its an odd thing to say but I can imagine that he's tired of fighting for this relationship, for making it work when the other doesn't.

i mean he doesn't want to breathe for her yet he wants her to trust him???

There's a difference in that IMO.With the breathing comment I always felt like Derek meant that he had to carry the relationship and make things okay for her, and you can't do that for that long I suppose.. It becomes tiring, especially when the other doesn't seem to be fighting anymore.

The trusting thing is different because he wants to give Meredith the feeling that she can trust him with whatever she is feeling. And if she shared more, he may be willing to breathe more for her.

I think the reason why meredith opens up to cristina is because cristina isn't always asking for more than mer can give, she also hasn't hurt her as bad as derek has in the past. (s2) I think thats what derek also needs to realise as well.

I don't think Derek is asking Meredith for more then she can give. He just told Meredith what he wants right now in his life. She wants other things and he has made it clear what he wants.
The difference between Derek and Cristina is that Cristina is not a person she's going to live with for the rest of her life, at least not in the context that Derek is supposed to be. Meredith isn't going to start a family with Cristina.. I don't think you can compare the relationships that much because Cristina is a friend, Derek is a boyfriend or in this case not even that. Friends are supposed to stick by your side no matter what, at least if it's a good friend.
Derek and Meredith are unlabeled right now IMO, so I guess that does make it difficult for Derek to realise what he can't or can do.

Well for one i dont think he should be making all these pretty speeches that he doesn't seem to stick to for more than a few days.

What do you mean?
He never made a real promise that he'll wait for her forever.. He did make a point that if somebody else comes along who is ready for what he wants in life, and who he may like, that he can't wait much longer.

i guess we are all different in the personal responsibility area. no one can help you if you dont want to be helped and people can't be mind readers. when mer wants to get help and change, she'll do it for her. CLEARLY, derek can't do that for her. same for him, the only person that can get him out of his situation is him. when he is fed up enough he'll change it.

Excellent point Brie!

I read some things about alluding to future storylines in past posts.. but I think its best if we don't allude to any future storylines they might be on.. Because of those who are unspoiled, and who may get a hint of what everyone is alluding too.

[LivvyxBaby]

I really want to know where Shonda is going with this.

[princess fiona]

Derek is suffering because he can't let go of her. He want to move on but I think he doesn't know how. He's also confused and he just love meredith so much. I think no one is to be blamed here. His mind says he should move on but his heart says otherwise.

[Bella Cullen]

Originally Posted by princess fiona (View Post) Derek is suffering because he can't let go of her. He want to move on but I think he doesn't know how. He's also confused and he just love meredith so much. I think no one is to be blamed here. His mind says he should move on but his heart says otherwise.

And it seems its that way kinda with meredith too, lol this is so messed up, i wonder if shonda just got lost on her way when doing the storyline cause it sure seems that way....i dont know why they went this way if they were never going to keep them together this season.

Hopefully they have a good merder cliff hanger for when the episodes stop, something to make me look forward too. otherwise i dont know if i can take it anymore, lol!

[Tears of an Angel]

If the season is really stopped at Christmas, I hope they will have a good cliff hanger! I can't imagine seeing them separate until the next season! That's would be horrible!

[Bella Cullen]

Originally Posted by Flowers (View Post) If the season is really stopped at Christmas, I hope they will have a good cliff hanger! I can't imagine seeing them separate until the next season! That's would be horrible!

And a repeat of the last three season finales, lol.

[Tears of an Angel]

Yeah, except the season 2 maybe
Anyway, I don't want that the season finishes with MD separate! But if the epis are already played, they can't change it... Or maybe they can add a scene... I don't know! I'm a little worried!

[Bella Cullen]

Originally Posted by Flowers (View Post) Yeah, except the season 2 maybe Anyway, I don't want that the season finishes with MD separate! But if the epis are already played, they can't change it... Or maybe they can add a scene... I don't know! I'm a little worried!

Nah the strike it on officially now so no new scenes they have to go with what they got, unless they make it up as they go...the actors that is, lol!

Which really sucks cause if a scene falls flat or it doesnt give the right message they cant do a thing they just have to film it.

[mcdreamylover]

From Deadline Hollywood Daily

SUNDAY AT 10:02 PM: ALL DAY TALKS HAVE COLLAPSED! NEGOTIATIONS ENDED WHEN WGA EAST REFUSED TO STOP STRIKE! An AMPTP insider just told me: "The WGA went out on strike at 12:01 AM Eastern. At about 9:30 PM Pacific they informed us they were on strike and left the hotel." Here's the just released statement from the motion picture and television producers' alliance president Nick Counter: "Notwithstanding the fact that negotiations were ongoing, the WGA decided to start their strike in New York. When we asked if they would "stop the clock" for the purpose of delaying the strike to allow negotiations to continue, they refused. We made an attempt at meeting them in a number of their key areas including Internet streaming and jurisdiction in New Media. Ultimately, the guild was unwilling to compromise on most of their major demands. It is unfortunate that they choose to take this irresponsible action." But the WGA East claims in a huge headline on its website that AMPTP walked out of the negotiations. "As of 12:01 AM November 5th, the WGA strike is on in the Eastern time zone. WGAE members should report for picketing at Rockefeller Plaza starting at 9:00 AM today. At 12:30 AM EST, the AMPTP walked out of day-long negotiations. All Guild-covered work under the MBA ceased at 12:01 a.m. EST on Monday, November 5, 2007." Still no statement from the WGAW or WGA... I'm waiting for it. Tonight, a frustrated and disappointed mogul source just called the day of fruitless talks "unbelievable" and told me about the WGA side, "We made concessions all day long, and they sat there the whole time not offering anything. Then we asked them, 'Can you push back the strike tomorrow so we can keep negotiating? They said no. Then someone went on the website and saw the WGA were already striking in NY." Me now. I'll be trying to find out what happened inside of that room today. Obviously, AMPTP is off the mark first PR-wise. But tomorrow will be WGA's PR time. Still, I'm deeply disappointed in both sides... not that I was really expecting a Miracle On Wilshire Blvd. I'll have more to say on this after I've done more reporting.

Keep checking the link I posted for updates!