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Old 01-12-2010, 12:20 PM
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It's so sad! I guess the absence of Mary in his life is partly to do with it. He didn't have anyone caring for him and telling him how wonderful he is. That's a mothers job.
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Old 01-13-2010, 12:02 AM
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Very true. and we both know that John wasn't one give complements and reasurances often.
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:55 PM
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Nope, he was so consumed by Mary's death and avenging it, he forget he still had two sons to take care of. Dean was just a casualty from the fallout of his own fathers grief.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:42 AM
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Yup, and it's so sad. Especially when you hear him say stuff like that speech in HOTH...when he's telling Sam their is no god and angels. It's heartbreaking. John never should have taken that faith away from Dean.
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:57 PM
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^ He really shouldn't have! I think Dean would have found comfort in having that faith. That was the only thing he had left of his Mum and John didn't nourish it!
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:31 PM
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Exactly! Not only didn't he nourish it but he looked down at it, you can tell with the way Dean almost snears at Sam when he says 'the things you learn about a guy'
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:03 AM
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He gave Sam everything he wanted/needed for himself and it breaks my heart!
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:13 PM
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Exactly! Not only didn't he nourish it but he looked down at it, you can tell with the way Dean almost snears at Sam when he says 'the things you learn about a guy'
And I'm pretty sure we know that John wasn't a religious type, because it said so on his dog tags. He must have instilled that lack of belief in anything other then evil into Dean as well.
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:35 AM
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I wish the boys had went to live with Bobby instead of being raised by John.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:11 PM
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I wish the boys had went to live with Bobby instead of being raised by John.
And now it seems like I finally brainwashed you into something!

But, seriously, I couldn't agree more! Living with Bobby would still be hard but not even half as hard as being rasied by John!
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Old 01-22-2010, 11:48 PM
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I always thought the boys would have been better off with Bobby, John loved them, he just went about raising them all the wrong way. But when you look at it from John's view, he was protecting them.
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Old 01-23-2010, 06:08 PM
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He didn't give them what they needed, which was a home!
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Agreed *nods* and what makes it even worse is that he knew they needed that, especially Dean. Was it in Salvation? that he said something about getting everything over with so Dean could have a home?! HELLO! Dean should have came first, not his thirst for revenge!
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Old 01-24-2010, 08:27 AM
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^ Yep, I believe it was i that episode! John should have given Dena an home and not dragged him around on his revenge driven crusade!
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Dean deserved better then that. :nod Mary would have wanted better for him.
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