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Old 12-04-2007, 08:07 PM
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...and the Sir thing? WTF?
I always called my Dad, Sir. That's just how people in the south and midwest (blue collar families) are/were raised (it seems to be fading). To me, it's respectful. I like that the boys have good manners.
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i liked john...but i always felt like he loved sam more (though he didn't mean to) and dean was always trying to buy his affections...i felt bad for dean b/c i myself grew up with a bit of eldest child syndrome...but, when it came down to it, john gave his life - not just his life, his SOUL - for dean...
That is exactly where I'm at. I don't doubt that John loved Dean, he just had a crappy way of showing it, he put way to much on Dean. I'm not sure he loved Sammy more but he was certainly more protective of him, which probably looked like he loved him more, I keep thinking of that look he gave Dean in Something Wicked and I just can't get past it. Dean was 12? Don't be pissed at him for not being able to take care of Sam when it should have been John there all the time, not Dean. So yeah John was a crappy father, but like you said, he gave his soul for Dean and to the one thing he hated most in the world, that alone speaks volumes, it just doesn't erase everything.

Crystal good to know. we weren't raised like that, it was offensive if you called your father anything but Dad. Sir was for super strict parents.
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Old 12-05-2007, 05:18 AM
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yeah, and the fact that john put so much on dean? i always thought that it showed just how much respect and faith he had...

oh yeah, where i come from, if you didn't respond to your father with "sir", there was gonna be hell to pay...it was simple respect and if you couldn't show simple respect to your parents...
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:23 AM
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yeah, and the fact that john put so much on dean? i always thought that it showed just how much respect and faith he had...

oh yeah, where i come from, if you didn't respond to your father with "sir", there was gonna be hell to pay...it was simple respect and if you couldn't show simple respect to your parents...

Yep. I'm still caught so off guard when I heard kids answering their parents with "Yeah?" or "What?" because we had to say "Sir?" or "M'am?". Dad told us to go put something away in our room it was "Yes, sir." We still called him Dad when we spoke to him though - just like Dean did.
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:31 AM
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Yep. I'm still caught so off guard when I heard kids answering their parents with "Yeah?" or "What?" because we had to say "Sir?" or "M'am?". Dad told us to go put something away in our room it was "Yes, sir." We still called him Dad when we spoke to him though - just like Dean did.
i get so annoyed with my own kids when they say "what" or my personal favorite "I'M COMING!" people give me some hateful looks when i get onto my kids for tone of voice or not using "ma'am" but that's how i was raised...
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Old 12-05-2007, 08:24 PM
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i get so annoyed with my own kids when they say "what" or my personal favorite "I'M COMING!" people give me some hateful looks when i get onto my kids for tone of voice or not using "ma'am" but that's how i was raised...
Well good for you! People talk about strict parents these days like it's all just bad but it's important for them to become good adults. They say a child's basic personality is completely developed by the age of 5 so it's important to be strict on them and work on manners a lot when they are really young.

But I shouldn't hijack this thread for that...lol
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Old 12-10-2007, 02:36 AM
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So anymore John and Dean toughts?
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:22 PM
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Let's talk about John and Dean.
I don't like John.
The only reason why I was sad, when he died was that
JDM wouldn't be there anymore either.

John wasn't that bad, but I don't like how he treated our boys.
Especially Dean.
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Is this the 'I hate John club?'

I wouldn't say I was a huge fan of Johns but Dean adored his Dad so he must have done something right.
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I don't hate John.

But he wasn't the best Dad either.
I just say that I don't like a few things.
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Oh good. I was getting a little worried then.
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