Josh Holloway - *SPOILERS* The WTF spoilers are back: Sawyer meeting Fred Flintstones? - Page 3

**Hawthorn** · 10-30-2007, 04:33 PM

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So, your listening to some of the podcasts actually paid off. I didn't know that some of the rumours were inspired by them.

As I said, I'm pretty positive but I'm not sure (and I'm used to trust myself very little - sucky memory and all), so I'll have to go back and do a serious work.

So I can have more weapons to fight foilers and win your love back. Yayz.

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Yes, I still think the death will happen before ep 7.

So, if we get a Josh sightings for the Jun episode we're safe?
Reassure me!! I'm trying to be flippant about Sawyer being safe and sound in the Lost world just to keep the thread from the suicidal level!
*orders to fear to go back inside, well hidden*

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The strike seems very probable (it might start any day now) so we'll have to see where that leaves Lost. Who knows how many episode they have written so far.

What is the most likely scenario? Lost starting and going on hiatus, or Lost not starting at all next February?

misteriosa · 10-30-2007, 04:48 PM

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So I can have more weapons to fight foilers and win your love back. Yayz.

You're too tough for them as it is.

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So, if we get a Josh sightings for the Jun episode we're safe?
Reassure me!! I'm trying to be flippant about Sawyer being safe and sound in the Lost world just to keep the thread from the suicidal level!
*orders to fear to go back inside, well hidden*

I think we've been dealing with the possibility of Sawyer's death stoically.

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What is the most likely scenario? Lost starting and going on hiatus, or Lost not starting at all next February?

I think it will definitely be aired but we'll have to see how the negotiations will work. Maybe they'll be able ot reach an agreement before February, maybe they suddenly decide not to strike. We'll see.

**Hawthorn** · 10-30-2007, 05:02 PM

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You're too tough for them as it is.

They say you have to know your enemy to fight them, problem is I just don't understand what drives them. If I had to go online and made some stuff up to get attention, I would choose something that can't be proved either true or false.
The more I'm invisible online, the better I feel, so I lack the basic, emotive information to hit them where it hurts.

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I think we've been dealing with the possibility of Sawyer's death stoically.

Stoically, huh? I think I've asked you to hug me like... 10 times.

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I think it will definitely be aired but we'll have to see how the negotiations will work. Maybe they'll be able ot reach an agreement before February, maybe they suddenly decide not to strike. We'll see.

So there isn't any death line for the negotiations? The strike could start simply when the writers decide they're sick to wait for a better proposition that doesn't look close to reach?

misteriosa · 10-30-2007, 05:15 PM

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Stoically, huh? I think I've asked you to hug me like... 10 times.

Everyone has a moment of weakness. Or 10 of them.

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So there isn't any death line for the negotiations? The strike could start simply when the writers decide they're sick to wait for a better proposition that doesn't look close to reach?

I have no idea. As it is right now, the strike is the most probable outcome of all this craziness. It shouldn't start before Friday, though.

I'm going to bed now.
It would be nice to see some actual spoilers from Ausiello tomorrow morning.

'Night!

**Hawthorn** · 10-30-2007, 05:22 PM

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I have no idea. As it is right now, the strike is the most probable outcome of all this craziness. It shouldn't start before Friday, though.

Already? wow, i thought things weren't going so badly, yet.

This time I'll do with Ausiello the exact oppostite of how I dealt with Kristin's column: no expectations. They say it's when you get the best things, so...

Good night! :-*

misteriosa · 10-31-2007, 03:05 AM

1.) From Ausiello:

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Question: Do you have any new info about the upcoming death on Lost? — Menomale
Ausiello: No, but would you settle for info about a new recurring character instead? Well, tough noogies, 'cause that's all I've got. The show is on the hunt for Huston, a fortyish authority figure whose charming demeanor belies an ice-cold heart. The new character is also said to be a model employee — nothing stands in the way of him doing his job… at least not for long. Scary. Sounds like me except when I see bright colors.

Ausiello on Bones, Grey's, 24, Lost and More! - Ask Ausiello | TVGuide.com
Now I'm back to thinking he has no inside info.

2.) From Ryan's blog: LOST in Kalihi — Hawaii Blog

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“LOST” set up shop just around the corner from one of my new favorite breakfast spots in Kalihi this morning, near the industrial arts campus of Honolulu Community College. Though I’m not entirely confident in my pre-caffeine vision, there were two striking women among those preparing for a busy day: Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet), and another blonde who looked a bit like Rebecca Mader (Charlotte).

A few blocks away, cameras rolled behind closed doors. And how! I’m told “LOST” had gotten past the barbed wire fence of the Oahu Community Correctional Center. LOST Spotter Mark caught them lunching in the shade off Kamehameha Highway, and says crew chatter touched on the arrival of “Faraday,” presumably Jeremy Davies‘ character.

I have no idea what could connect these characters, or how a prison could factor into their stories. I love thinking about it, though. February can’t come soon enough.

He posted this on the Fuselage: The Fuselage

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Sometimes I go weeks unable to find "LOST" on this island. And sometimes, they come to me. On my breakfast run this morning, I spotted the tell-tale trailers. They were in Kalihi, not far from where I work.

I know I saw Elizabeth Mitchell (striking, as always, even before sunrise), and I'm pretty sure I saw Rebecca Mader as well (though for all I know, she was just a very pretty crewmember). I had to get to work, so I didn't actually get to see what they might have been up to.

But this afternoon, they turned up along Kamehameha Highway. I thought they were using an old local dairy/factory there, but a friend of mine says it sounds like they were actually next door in the local prison. Which just boggles my mind (especially since it's a different prison than the one used in prior seasons). There were also mentions of "Faraday" crackling on the walkie talkies.

Okay, not much detail and a lot of guesses, but... I'll take it!

3.) From BuddyTV: Lost's Fourth Season Closes, and The Orchid Blossoms

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It’s hard to fathom that Lost’s fourth season begins in just a little over three months. I guess it’s true that after a few months in seclusion, you acquire a sense that all things are eternal. From this day forward, all Lost geeks can reset their internal cycles and pretend they are just waiting out a slightly longer than normal summer hiatus. And hey, the Lost Season 3 DVD set is coming out in a month, in Blu Ray nonetheless, and Blu Ray players have even come down in price. Not that we endorse that format, or any format as far as that goes, but good enough for Lost, is good enough for me. While we’re waiting for Lost to return, though, maybe it’s time for us to break a little radio silence of our own and do a little theorizing on some of the latest intel to leak out of Lost island.

As you may or may not know, I was recently a visitor to the island that Lost was filmed on, Oahu. Was I there on ‘official’ business, as in business related to the actual production of Lost? That, I seem to have forgotten. Maybe I’ll remember in a month or two. What I can tell you is that during my ‘journey’ there, I did find myself privy to some rumors which seemed ludicrous at the time, but now may be a little closer to reality.

Some of it is not so off the wall. In case you don’t remember, the masters of Lost, Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, publicly unleashed a new orientation film at this years Comic-Con that introduced us to a new station called “The Orchid.” At first, the fan base wrestled with whether or not to accept the film as canon, mostly because of Dr. Marvin Candle, under yet another pseudonym, famously dropping the f-bomb.

A new, not so authorized, picture has shown the world that “The Orchid” not only exists, but will be featured around midway through the fourth season. It’s purpose is still unknown, but a curious set of dinosaur-sized bones sticking from the ground stirs memories of a four-toed foot, and questions over just where the rest of that statue is.

In the video, a bunny is apparently duplicated by accident. Now, what is important about this is that Lindelof and company have made a few promises. They have promised no clones. They promised me no twins, or at least that twins were of no importance. But they never said no duplicates from alternate timelines. Although, they have told us that the future, as seen in flash-forwards, is set.

I’m not saying that by process of elimination the producers have begun to present us with the bare bones of the more fantastic elements of the story, but they may have. Then again, there is another aspect to television, particularly of the mystery variety, that is sometimes overlooked completely. It is an illusion.

A good mystery is like a good magic trick. I had a friend who was into street magic. He used to talk about part of the art being creating the question of whether there was a genuine paranormal force involved. If the audience only thinks of it as a trick, they look for the moment they are fooled, or wonder when it took place. Good magic, in other words, depends on good lies. When I found out that the best mind reading acts involved stooges, I thought that was a bit disingenuous. But the trick, according to my friend, is to make the audience wonder how you were able to pull that off without a stooge. If they believed the lie that the stooge wasn’t in on it, the trick was successful because what the magician wants the audience to believe is that he somehow used trickery to create the illusion of mind reading, and not just used a stooge who was in on it. Two principles of magic that translates very well to the way a story is effectively predicted in a production as open to the media as Lost is.

The point of all this? Lindelof and Cuse will never lie to us, but they are masters of semantic illusion. Many theorists are stopped dead in their tracks by what Lost’s writers tell us is accurate, and not. But it would be a mistake to assume that there are any absolutes when it comes to how fine a grain Lost’s-story smiths will winnow out the details of their epic in progress. With The Orchid being canon we know that at least some variation of the concept of duplicating, cloning, or twinism exists in some parallel sensibility, and we also know that the writers have used sly tricks of semantics to avoid admitting that this element exists.

Take comfort that no matter the fact that our crazy theories are shot down, only to be validated through a loop-hole of language, the mission of the Lost crew is to excite, dazzle, and amaze us with a story that in its purest form springs from the unexpected. Even if that requires a little verbal slight-of-hand.

- Jon Lachonis, BuddyTV Senior Writer

**Hawthorn** · 10-31-2007, 04:25 AM

1) That person who wrote to Ausiello has a hot username.

One of the two questions I sent to Micky was basically the same, but I asked him if he could give us any clue about the death. He chose to reply to a message asking him if he *knew* anything new about that, so although he could just be playing dumb because he can't give anything away, I agree that it's very likely he juse got the rumor confirmed a while ago.

2) I'm stupid, bear with me: Charlotte and Juliet were seen on a mainland set, maybe a prison? Or just Daniel?
I have no idea how to speculate on that.

3) Dear Jon Lachonis, talking about semantic and figures of speech, you have annoyied me to no end. But I'll go to the point (one of us should do that, at least, Jon): technically, how can you pull off the alternate realities thing promising that the future is set in stone? How can the future be set in stone, if in one reality all the Losties are dead and in the other 40 of them are alive? Could they go for the "different situations, same outcome" at the end, killing all the Losties before the two universes "meet"?
I don't know what I'm saying.

misteriosa · 10-31-2007, 04:47 AM

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1) That person who wrote to Ausiello has a hot username.

One of the two questions I sent to Micky was basically the same, but I asked him if he could give us any clue about the death. He chose to reply to a message asking him if he *knew* anything new about that, so although he could just be playing dumb because he can't give anything away, I agree that it's very likely he juse got the rumor confirmed a while ago.

Hot?

Last week I had the impression that Ausiello had some inside info about the death and maybe Lost in general, but now I'm back to thinking that's not the case. He gave us the casting spoiler we got days ago.

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2) I'm stupid, bear with me: Charlotte and Juliet were seen on a mainland set, maybe a prison? Or just Daniel?
I have no idea how to speculate on that.

Me neither. It would be cool if Juliet has some secrets and knew the parachuters on mainland. I want her to keep switching between our side and their side, always having her own interests in mind. If they could keep Jack away from her, even better.
Still, I think they could've been filming on-island scenes, especially if they used walkie talkies. Who knows what other bunkers, hatches and other buildings there are on the Craphole that we've never seen before.

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3) Dear Jon Lachonis, talking about semantic and figures of speech, you have annoyied me to no end. But I'll go to the point (one of us should do that, at least, Jon): technically, how can you pull off the alternate realities thing promising that the future is set in stone? How can the future be set in stone, if in one reality all the Losties are dead and in the other 40 of them are alive? Could they go for the "different situations, same outcome" at the end, killing all the Losties before the two universes "meet"?
I don't know what I'm saying.

I don't know what you're saying either.
All I know is that time will be a major theme on the show and I don't like it.

**Hawthorn** · 10-31-2007, 05:23 AM

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Hot?

There is something sexy in the letter M...

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Last week I had the impression that Ausiello had some inside info about the death and maybe Lost in general, but now I'm back to thinking that's not the case. He gave us the casting spoiler we got days ago.

Ausiello based the theory that Gizzie was over on a panel, and had to backtrack later. Won't be surprised if he just read Jorge's blog before writing about the "100% sure" death.

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Me neither. It would be cool if Juliet has some secrets and knew the parachuters on mainland. I want her to keep switching between our side and their side, always having her own interests in mind. If they could keep Jack away from her, even better.
Still, I think they could've been filming on-island scenes, especially if they used walkie talkies. Who knows what other bunkers, hatches and other buildings there are on the Craphole that we've never seen before.

I don't know how I feel about Juliet and her future storylines. Jack can only ruin her character, that's for sure, but I think the finale put a big Stop to the development of anything really romantic between them, so if she doesn't fall under his charm and keep making him a little more tolerable, maybe things won't turn out bad for her. They've already ruined Kate because of Jack.
I'm torn about her swithing sides. if they really want to have the audience warm up to her (a lot of people still hadn't), they should point out if she's a "Lostie" or not, now.

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I don't know what you're saying either.
All I know is that time will be a major theme on the show and I don't like it.

You know, something resembling the plot of that crappy movie saga, "Final Destination". A group of students manages to avoid a plane crash because one of them has a vision of the plan falling, but then Death start chasing each one of the survivors because they can't "cheat" what's meant to happen to them.

misteriosa · 10-31-2007, 06:09 AM

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I'm torn about her swithing sides. if they really want to have the audience warm up to her (a lot of people still hadn't), they should point out if she's a "Lostie" or not, now.

I also think that a lot of people haven't warmed up to Juliet and not much could make them change their minds about her. I feel like that actually allows the writers to make her character very interesting.

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You know, something resembling the plot of that crappy movie saga, "Final Destination". A group of students manages to avoid a plane crash because one of them has a vision of the plan falling, but then Death start chasing each one of the survivors because they can't "cheat" what's meant to happen to them.

I could definitely see something like that happening on mainland, after their rescue.

**Hawthorn** · 10-31-2007, 06:33 AM

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I also think that a lot of people haven't warmed up to Juliet and not much could make them change their minds about her. I feel like that actually allows the writers to make her character very interesting.

And it gives them a chance to kill her at any moment. But I do think some people would grow to like her if they knew she will betray the Losties only if she has to, but isn't in some kind of masterplan since the beginning and her time spent at the beach camp and her decision to be honest with Jack, Sun and co. were genuine.

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I could definitely see something like that happening on mainland, after their rescue.

That would be incredibly lame, I still hope they won't go to the level of the cheapest horror/sci-fi pop culture.

I'm also starting to get tired of all those mythologic hints that look like the bonus items to spot in a videogame, all those films, and bunnies, and so on. They should work on the consistency of bigger aspects, not obsessed fanboys' material.

misteriosa · 10-31-2007, 08:28 AM

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That would be incredibly lame, I still hope they won't go to the level of the cheapest horror/sci-fi pop culture.

Well they make a lot of speculations about the course-correction in this thread on the Fuselage. They even mention "Final Destination."
Sadly, it all sounds very convincing.

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I'm also starting to get tired of all those mythologic hints that look like the bonus items to spot in a videogame, all those films, and bunnies, and so on. They should work on the consistency of bigger aspects, not obsessed fanboys' material.

I don't like it either, just like all the meta comments on the show.

**Hawthorn** · 10-31-2007, 09:41 AM

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Well they make a lot of speculations about the course-correction in this thread on the Fuselage. They even mention "Final Destination."
Sadly, it all sounds very convincing.

I'll check the thread later, thanks for the link! Right now my brain would reject half the information due to massive lazyness.

I was thinking about compiling a list of reasons about why the writers could kill Sawyer and why they wouldn't.

I'm also still considering writing to The Odi. But I don't trust myself enough to do it.

addicted2much · 10-31-2007, 10:27 AM

Going to read the course correction thread.

misteriosa · 10-31-2007, 10:43 AM

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Going to read the course correction thread.

It's actually the thread about the title of the second episode but they somehow ended up talking about larger scheme of things.

I'm sure there's a thread about course correction somewhere in the general theories section.

Francesca, what will you ask the Odi?

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