Josh Holloway - *SPOILERS* Sawyer in Lost S4 #18: "That guy is gonna be around until the end" - Page 2

ALEXA82 · 01-21-2008, 11:28 AM

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I never liked the flashforward twist of last year, I read about it in the spoilers first, then watched TTLG, and it was somehow a let down for me, because I recognize the coolness of the single move in that episode, but it was the last sign to show me that the good old Lost of S1, with the little impact of the outside word and the mythology kept to a minimum, was gone for good.

I know it´s like I get it and all the strings attached only now. I know I´m slow

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I wanted Sawyer to be rescued because somehow I thought the big storylines would move to mainland with Jack and Kate, and I didn't want his character "left behind" in the story.
That said, the idea that now the last 3 seasons will be about going back to the island and re-create the long gone equilibrium that was there a long time ago maybe... makes me somehow laugh. I don't know, it's not original or intriguing... to me at least.

I don´t know I wanted to get im rescued too but now seeing as all the on island Jack/Kate interaction still hasn´t moved on and it´s all triangle *crap* I´m happy to see "he" isn´t Sawyer. But now that we know who "he" is..I don´t like that either. Especially when I just read again that Kate refers to jack has "my son" and Jack thinks it´s her son [from Sawyer]

I´m really not looking forward to the contrived story they´ll present us to how it all came to that point. No scenario would satisfy me. Because if Kate wants Jack, tell him the truth about that damn Aaron/ baby/ son and get it over with. I´m zero, zip, nada interested into any more triangle madness

on the other hand, seeing how bad Jack looked in TTLG and how much he wanted to go back. Maybe the island is million times better place than real worl and Sawyer is lying on the beach with some drink, happy to not face Jack/Kate dance round 110

That thought is giving me comfort right now.

And seeing it now...I really think I´m not a Skater anymore. Well, lets say I never wanted to be in 1st place...but you know Josh&Evie and that awesome chemistry they have so I bet after the 1st Josh&Evie scene I´m all in Skate mood again. How´s that for crazy

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Mybe she wants reassurances that Sawyer can't give her at the moment because he doesn't even know what to do with himself after Cooper. Maybe he feels... why should I reassure her if she never reassured me about us?and this is all beyong the pregnancy issue. About it, I would say sure, it would nice for a woman to hear from her man that he'll be happy and be there for her no matter what even if he's scared, but shouldn't she also consider that she could be escorted to jail right after they go back? Miles has just told her that the law is still looking for her.

Exactly! Gah, I really hated everything about that pregnancy storyline. It´s...nothing special. Not on the show or in general it´s just bad TV IMO

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I thought Eggtown would be a code for something, the name of a book or another popo culture reference... not just such a literal, meh clue. :/

Even if it was. I´m fed up with those as well. So to me it will be one bad joke about all this pregnacy/triangle storyline. It´s sad

**Hawthorn** · 01-21-2008, 12:21 PM

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I don´t know I wanted to get im rescued too but now seeing as all the on island Jack/Kate interaction still hasn´t moved on and it´s all triangle *crap* I´m happy to see "he" isn´t Sawyer. But now that we know who "he" is..I don´t like that either. Especially when I just read again that Kate refers to jack has "my son" and Jack thinks it´s her son [from Sawyer]

I´m really not looking forward to the contrived story they´ll present us to how it all came to that point. No scenario would satisfy me. Because if Kate wants Jack, tell him the truth about that damn Aaron/ baby/ son and get it over with. I´m zero, zip, nada interested into any more triangle madness

on the other hand, seeing how bad Jack looked in TTLG and how much he wanted to go back. Maybe the island is million times better place than real worl and Sawyer is lying on the beach with some drink, happy to not face Jack/Kate dance round 110

That thought is giving me comfort right now.

I don't like the Kate/Aaron storyline either. Maybe it's because it's also put in an episode focussing on a trial which looks more like a joke, but everything looks contrived and soapy and... meh. And I still have an hard time believing Kate has managed to pass Aaron as her own son. When... how...? If that's the case, where she stayed for 9 months, in a convent? And then presented to the world a child who looked already one year and 1 month old? O_o
But I'm glad Sawyer has stayed behind if they're planning to give to the island the same importance it has always had in the past.

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And seeing it now...I really think I´m not a Skater anymore. Well, lets say I never wanted to be in 1st place...but you know Josh&Evie and that awesome chemistry they have so I bet after the 1st Josh&Evie scene I´m all in Skate mood again. How´s that for crazy

I wish I could quit my ship.

I may become a not-active-anymore shipper, but I know I'll have a soft spot for those two together... even their worst scenes are somehow nice for me compared to any other romance on the show. Also, unless they'll show me that they don't care anymore, at all, for each other, it's hard to forget how much I liked Kate with Sawyer, or how much Sawyer loves her.
That said, if I see that they work better as character apart from each other (physically and emotionally), I'm fine with it.

misteriosa · 01-21-2008, 12:58 PM

You know what I fear right now? The possibility that "Eggtown" was written by Elizabeth Sarnoff & Christina Kim. The plot sounds stupid and contrived enough for it to be true.
They wrote the Skate fight in SIASL and it made absolutely no sense. We were all pretty excited about seeing it and expected a good, angsty scene, but, boy, were we disappointed.

**Hawthorn** · 01-21-2008, 01:13 PM

I was heading to eat dinner, then saw your post and sat down again to read it and greet you... and you dropped another terrible possibility on me!

Gosh, I really hope it's not the case. So far the people who have seen the first four episode have liked them all, the lost tv forum guy said only the second one seemed "weak" compared to the others, so I hope that the scenes are well written and powerful even if the big plot (Aaron/trial) is crappy.
When should we get the press releases for 4x03 and 4x04, approximately?

See you later, partner in crime! :-*

misteriosa · 01-21-2008, 03:42 PM

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I was heading to eat dinner, then saw your post and sat down again to read it and greet you... and you dropped another terrible possibility on me!

Sorry again. I swear I don't do it on purpose.

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Gosh, I really hope it's not the case. So far the people who have seen the first four episode have liked them all, the lost tv forum guy said only the second one seemed "weak" compared to the others, so I hope that the scenes are well written and powerful even if the big plot (Aaron/trial) is crappy.

Elizabeth and Kim also wrote LB. I still remember discussiona about it on LF when it seemed like almost every Skater interpreted those prallels in her or his own way. I remain on my Sawyer/Wayne/the bad-wrong guy position. That's what Diane's "You can't help who you love" was all about.
I think all the confusion was caused by Evie's interview in the Lost Magazine. too bad she has to guess and figure out Kate's emotions herself. I really think the writers shold be honest with her. Remember when she was told at the end of season 2 that Kate would choose Jack? I think it showed on her performance in a few scenes - when she left Sawyer to go with Jack, when they came and Jackass burnt the script Sawyer was reading...

Back to spoilers for epiosde 4. I havea feeling that they put most of their efforts to make the final twist as shocking as possible. In the process I feel like they forgot to think other things through. What implications it will have on Claire and Aaron, how that situation would affect Jack and Kate's relationship in a believable way, where it leaves Sawyer... They seem to have left all that unresolved and more complicated/contrived than necessary.

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When should we get the press releases for 4x03 and 4x04, approximately?

I just checked when the press releases for the first two episodes were posted on dark's site - ep 1 on Jan 14 and ep 2 on Jan 18.
I guess we can expect the next press release pretty soon.
I want promo photos for epiosde 3.

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See you later, partner in crime! :-*

I think someone on FB's said today is a national holiday in the US and that maybe Kristin won't have her chat. I hope not. I need some answers.

**Hawthorn** · 01-21-2008, 04:16 PM

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Sorry again. I swear I don't do it on purpose.

You aren't apologizing for real... right?

I was joking (also when I mentioned the "glass half empty" & other stuff)

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Elizabeth and Kim also wrote LB. I still remember discussiona about it on LF when it seemed like almost every Skater interpreted those prallels in her or his own way. I remain on my Sawyer/Wayne/the bad-wrong guy position. That's what Diane's "You can't help who you love" was all about.

I remain on my "I didn't get the whole thing at all" position.

and looking back at SIASL... maybe those two writers are at the same point because I don't get the whole thing at all. If your interpretation is right, why showing Sawyer all cute at the end, happy to have done something for other people even if he didn't gain a thing from it?

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I think all the confusion was caused by Evie's interview in the Lost Magazine. too bad she has to guess and figure out Kate's emotions herself.

Sad, but true. Elizabeth Mitchell's latest interview here reaffirmed that, to me:

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Do you get a lot of direction when it comes to the motivation for your character or did you have to make a lot of it up on your own?
I did make up a lot of it on my own. And then there’s some of it that I got some great help with. Jack Bender is one of our great directors and he and I had worked together before and we worked pretty closely. And Steven Williams, the same thing. He directed the first flashback that I did, and Jack directed the second. We worked very closely in walking that line and making sure we didn’t go too far one way or the other, and I had very strong feelings about what I wanted and they were very clear about some things that I didn’t know, and it was a really nice collaboration. I think that the three of us had a really great time creating this character. And of course the writers, I mean that’s not to say that you don’t get everything on the paper because of lot of it is there.

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I really think the writers shold be honest with her. Remember when she was told at the end of season 2 that Kate would choose Jack? I think it showed on her performance in a few scenes - when she left Sawyer to go with Jack, when they came and Jackass burnt the script Sawyer was reading...

But didn't they told that to her once the filming for S2 was over? I don't remember anymore.

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Back to spoilers for epiosde 4. I havea feeling that they put most of their efforts to make the final twist as shocking as possible. In the process I feel like they forgot to think other things through. What implications it will have on Claire and Aaron, how that situation would affect Jack and Kate's relationship in a believable way, where it leaves Sawyer... They seem to have left all that unresolved and more complicated/contrived than necessary.

I agree that a lot of lines and scenes in the episodes seem to be there only for that purpose, for the "gotcha!" moment at the end. I would really give a lot of things to read the "brteak-up" convo between Sawyer and Kate right now. The recapper was super vague on the "they talk about their relationship, their lives, their futures"...

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I just checked when the press releases for the first two episodes were posted on dark's site - ep 1 on Jan 14 and ep 2 on Jan 18.
I guess we can expect the next press release pretty soon.
I want promo photos for epiosde 3.

Thank you for checking the dates!
I'm waiting for those promo pics too. Although now I'm even more curious about anything involving Sawyer in episodes 5 and 6.

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I think someone on FB's said today is a national holiday in the US and that maybe Kristin won't have her chat. I hope not. I need some answers.

I checked... it's the Martin Luther King Day. I hope she'll post her chat because I need something. I have my fingers crossed she'll answer one of yours because they're great.

Oh, I checked the other things celebrated today, just for fun:

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January 21

* Martin Luther King Day
* Granola Bar Day
* Thomas Stonewall Jackson's Birthday
* Hugging Day

Come here, babe! *grabby hands*

New stuff:

- Spoilers: "Lost" star finds creepy role satisfying

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He’s the most menacing, manipulative character on network television.

As leader of the so-called “Others,” Ben Linus has been a constant threat and devious adversary to the castaways from Oceanic Flight 815.

But there’s more to Ben then meets the eye, says Michael Emerson, the Shakespearian-trained actor who reprised his Emmy-nominated role when ABC’s “Lost” returned Jan. 31 for its fourth season.

“I think the viewers have an incomplete view of Ben, or a view that’s not quite accurate,” Emerson says. “He may be more than this wicked monster. I think his character will be re-contextualized as the show goes on, and people will begin to regard him as someone who’s more heroic.”

That’s just speculation, though, as Emerson — like the rest of the “Lost” cast — has been left in the dark by the show’s creators on how the popular drama’s final 48 episodes will unfold.

Interviewed at home Jan. 16 as he waited out the Hollywood writers’ strike, Emerson chatted about “Lost’s” status as a pop-culture phenomenon. And yes, his telephone voice sounds as eerie as Ben’s, so imagine that voice as you read along.

Times: Greetings from Western Pennsylvania, where many of us are thrilled about the upcoming season premiere of “Lost.”

Emerson: Yes, I’m excited, too. It’s been so long since we filmed that episode.

Times: How tricky is it for you to slip into or out of character? When the director shouts “Cut!” do you immediately turn back into Michael Emerson, or do you still spend a few moments in that mysterious, creepy Ben mode?

Emerson: I try to make sure I clock out of the job. When you get to be an older actor like I am, continuing to act when the camera is not rolling can put a lot of wear and tear on you. But I’ve always admired those old-time stage actors who can play checkers off to the side until they get their cue line, and then they immediately go on in character.

Times: How much of Ben’s personality was crafted by the writers, and how much is your own input and interpretation?

Emerson: We both just winged it. They knew the person would need to bring a face to this adversity that’s faced on the show.

Times: You joined “Lost” in season two. What were your initial impressions when you first saw the show?

Emerson: We always liked “Lost” in our house. I must say my wife was fanatical about the show, so she was delighted when I got what was supposed to be just a guest part. Of course, she later got a guest role, so we’re quite a “Lost” household.

Times: What impact has the writer’s strike had on season four?

Emerson: We shot eight of the 16 episodes, so there’s half a season in the can. ABC is hoping to complete the season, but if the strike continues, I’d imagine there would reach a point where ABC would have to consider something else.

Times: The producers and writers of “Lost” already have said there are only 48 episodes left and then the show will end. What did you think about that decision?

Emerson: I thought it was a stroke of genius. It’s like a throwdown from the writers to the world. They’re saying, “We’re not here to cash out, we’re going to do this right.”

Times: What’s it like filming “Lost” in Hawaii? Being away from Hollywood and New York, do the actors get a sense that they really are castaways?

Emerson: There is that sort of feeling, yes. It’s beautiful there. And it’s a great job. But I must say it’s also a lonely job. I am far, far from home and my circle of friends and loved ones and my social scene.

Times: Before “Lost,” when people recognized you on the street what role did they remember you from most?

Emerson: They remembered me as a serial killer on “The Practice.” Although the horror movie “Saw” also has a certain following. “Saw” fans are young and often look like gang members or punk-rockers. “The Practice” is an older crowd.

Times: Have you grasped how popular “Lost” is with fans?

Emerson: “Lost” does have a fanatical global following. My wife and I were in Barcelona last year, and I was never recognized by so many people.

Times: Did you see the Internet fan chatter after the episode where Ben insisted that he and “Others” are really the good guys?

Emerson: I think Ben means that.

Times: The last time we saw Ben, he had been bloodied pretty badly by Jack.

Emerson: And there’s more of that to come.

Times: What should viewers brace for when that first new episode airs?

Emerson: They’re going to have some of their hopes dashed. And they’ll be introduced to new and even scarier characters. All those hopes for getting rescued are going to get a lot more complicated. Oh, and there will be the added treat of us operating in three different time zones now; the present, past and future. The stuff in the future is really incredible.

Times: We saw a glimpse of that in the final minutes of last season’s finale.

Emerson: Yes, that scene with Kate and Jack sets up a whole new part of the show.

Times: Why is “Lost” moving from Wednesday nights to Thursdays?

Emerson: ABC is trying to capitalize by placing us in the time slot of “Grey’s Anatomy,” which has run out of new episodes. And that also moves us away from “American Idol.”

Times: What other projects are you working on later in the year?

Emerson: I hope to get back on the stage, though with the writer’s strike I don’t know what’s going to happen. We might be working on “Lost” instead.

Times: Is it true that the “Lost” cast has no idea where the storyline is ultimately headed?

Emerson: That is absolutely correct.

Source: Times Online

- Spoilers: Lost Season 4 Premiere “Beginning of the End” Reviewed
Thanks to DocArzt for the interview.

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Nearly nine months ago Lost closed it’s third season in as nail biting of a place as it had ever closed a season. The survivors had made contact with a nearby force that could either bring rescue, or devastation, depending on who you ask; yet a glimpse into the future planted the notion that rescue may not be all it is cracked up to be, particularly for a despondent drug addicted Dr. Jack whose final words from the future were “We have to go back!”

What will the new people be like? Will Desmond get back to shore in time to warn them that it is “not Penny’s boat”? Will the show return to flashbacks, and if not will the flash forwards pick up from Dr. Jack’s pleas or will we get thrown for yet another temporal loops. Speaking of ‘temporal,’ what about that weird “Orchid Orientation” video that was shown at Comic Con? Without a doubt, “Through the Looking Glass” created the most forward momentum of any season closer to date, and with the end date announced there was a lot of anticipation over where season 4 would begin, where it would go, and how fast would it get there.

As a long time fan of the series, I was a little concerned about how the Lost writer’s room would deal with getting the characters back together, address the death of Charlie, introduce the newbies, and still leave enough slack to reconnect with the mysteries of the island including ‘Jacob.’ I soon found out that this fear was entirely unfounded.

The wisdom culled from three seasons worth of exposure to Lost’s alchemy are of no use here. While some things are as expected, Jack is still over confident, Ben is still sneaky, and Locke is still, well, Locke, the execution of the plot around them is all new, done with a serious score to settle with all the critics that kvetch about Lost’s “tease and deny” strategy.

As premieres go, “Beginning of the End” is nothing that Lost fans will expect. Instead of opening with a disorienting locale and characters we don’t know, Beginning of the End begins with a headlong slam into a fast moving vignette with characters we know very well. Instead of taking three or four episodes to address the splintered ranks of the Losties, all of the characters are addressed. Perhaps best of all, instead of servicing a single item like previous premieres, “Beginning of the End” does a remarkable job of tying up much of the overlapping issues from the latter quadrant of season 3 and an even better job of setting the pace for season four.

What you really want to know is what happens though, right? Well as of right now you have a little more than ten days to learn that answer for yourself, but what I will tell you is that virtually every theme that becomes important within the first quarter (assuming 16 episodes) of the season are introduced here in complete, well paced, easy to digest nuggets that have the strange effect of swelling within your consciousness and leaving you with the feeling that you have watched not one, but maybe three or four episodes of what you remember Lost to be.

“Beginning of the End” is a crushingly emotional, action packed introduction to the Lost story, proving that four seasons in – when you might expect to see the light at the end of the tunnel begin to fade – Lost’s groundbreaking protean form still has plenty of blinding ways to dazzle and entertain in a way that is none-the-less unique unto itself.

Source: UGO

misteriosa · 01-21-2008, 04:50 PM

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You aren't apologizing for real... right?
I was joking (also when I mentioned the "glass half empty" & other stuff)

I'm joking too, kind of. I practically buried Sayid last night so it's the least I can do.

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I remain on my "I didn't get the whole thing at all" position.

and looking back at SIASL... maybe those two writers are at the same point because I don't get the whole thing at all. If your interpretation is right, why showing Sawyer all cute at the end, happy to have done something for other people even if he didn't gain a thing from it?

But Kate didn't see him change. In the final episode she had that pathetic line "He'd never do that for you", which was first of all false and secondly a proof to me that they'll always write him as a bad/wrong guy in her eyes. The spoilers for the next season just confirm that IMO.

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Sad, but true. Elizabeth Mitchell's latest interview here reaffirmed that, to me:

Yes, it is sad. If Evie thinks Kate will choose Jack because she's in love with him, it inevitabely reflects on the way she performs in her scenes with Josh, too.

And yes, Elizabeth does confirm that they don't really know how or what their characters are feeling. It may work at times, especially for more enigmatic roles like those of Juliet and Ben, but eventually it still gets frustrating. I need to be able to trust the characters and feel like I know them not go WTF every five minutes.

Also from ME's interview you posted:

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Times: How much of Ben’s personality was crafted by the writers, and how much is your own input and interpretation?

Emerson: We both just winged it. They knew the person would need to bring a face to this adversity that’s faced on the show.

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But didn't they told that to her once the filming for S2 was over? I don't remember anymore.

I think it was during the later part of season 2.

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I agree that a lot of lines and scenes in the episodes seem to be there only for that purpose, for the "gotcha!" moment at the end. I would really give a lot of things to read the "brteak-up" convo between Sawyer and Kate right now. The recapper was super vague on the "they talk about their relationship, their lives, their futures"...

All I hope is that it makes some damn sense and last more than 1 minute. Is that too much?

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I'm waiting for those promo pics too. Although now I'm even more curious about anything involving Sawyer in episodes 5 and 6.

Me too. I'm so over the first four episodes.

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I checked... it's the Martin Luther King Day. I hope she'll post her chat because I need something. I have my fingers crossed she'll answer one of yours because they're great.

I checked the list of federal holidays in the US and this one is listed.
Crap. I was really hoping she'd have something.

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Oh, I checked the other things celebrated today, just for fun:
* Hugging Day

Come here, babe! *grabby hands*

Nooooooooooooooo!!!!

Thanks for the new stuff.
DocArzt was probably inspired by Dark's sources.

**Hawthorn** · 01-21-2008, 05:33 PM

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I'm joking too, kind of. I practically buried Sayid last night so it's the least I can do.

You know that being with you has improved my optimism? I have to keep it always super trained to arginate the force of your dark thoughts. Becauase if I'm my usual pessimist self, when I'm really at my best, step after step we could arrive to speculate about the extinction of the human race.
That's the only reason why I let you keep the P. Queen title. I could get it back anytime if I wanted.

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But Kate didn't see him change.

But it had to be there, in her centric-episode, for a reason.

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In the final episode she had that pathetic line "He'd never do that for you", which was first of all false and secondly a proof to me that they'll always write him as a bad/wrong guy in her eyes. The spoilers for the next season just confirm that IMO.

The line in the finale sucked, I agree, but she was angry... and they needed to cvreate the major efect with that BILY, so having Kate pissed off was perfect to have then her copletely taken aback by Jack's declaration. The spoilers for the news seasons aren't prosiming, true, but everything is so up in the air... we have no idea what Sawyer has been doing in those 2 years for instance. Or if Kate is still not with Jack only because of Aaron.

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Yes, it is sad. If Evie thinks Kate will choose Jack because she's in love with him, it inevitabely reflects on the way she performs in her scenes with Josh, too.

I really think the writers should go one way or the other: stick to not say a thing, or tell everything sincerely. Giving hints here and there, and maybe changing direction in their comments after is stupid. At least we now know they don't do that only with the fans.

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And yes, Elizabeth does confirm that they don't really know how or what their characters are feeling. It may work at times, especially for more enigmatic roles like those of Juliet and Ben, but eventually it still gets frustrating. I need to be able to trust the characters and feel like I know them not go WTF every five minutes.

You can't relate to a character and their situation if you don't know how it affects them or how they feel. Sometimes you can fill the blanks yourself but after a while it gets ridiculous to "make" the story with your mind instead of following it on screen.

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I think it was during the later part of season 2.

Ok, thanks. (after 3 years, 3 things I'll never make my peace with: The Moth - Kate lecturing Sawyer; Catch-22; and the scene of Two For The Road you mentioned).

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All I hope is that it makes some damn sense and last more than 1 minute. Is that too much?

It could be the last Skate scene for years (literally), I hope it's more than decent, especially if the couple isn't a closed chapter for the writers.

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I checked the list of federal holidays in the US and this one is listed.
Crap. I was really hoping she'd have something.

I had heard years ago about this holiday, but I had no idea it was a national celebration (like Christmas or the other "big" ones).

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Nooooooooooooooo!!!!

Uffi!!!

Then... a party for the granola bar?

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Thanks for the new stuff.
DocArzt was probably inspired by Dark's sources.

He just pimped the hell out of the episode, right? I didn't read either of the interview because I knew you would point out if there was anything important.

(also, I'm a bit sick of ME, no offence to the guy... but enough!)

misteriosa · 01-21-2008, 06:03 PM

Kristin's Vine show is up- Watch with Kristin - Vine Show: The Terminator Stars Answer You!

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Question: Are the new people annoying on Lost?

Kristin: I am happy to report that they are less annoying than last year's additions Paulo and Nikki. Okay, that isn't saying much, but I can tell you that the crew of the freighter is pretty interesting. One of them has direct ties to Oceanic Airlines and even though it's not Penny's boat, the name Widmore is not unfamiliar to them.

She posted this in the end: Have a wonderful Martin Luther King Day holiday!
I guess we'll see soon if there will be a chat or not.

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But it had to be there, in her centric-episode, for a reason.

Yes, to make us believe Sawyer was capable of changing, at least for a while. Still she never sees that side of him, or when I think she should she doesn't acknowledge him doing something good. Now with him having killed Cooper and Tom, pushing Kate away.., it feels like he's stuck int the same old place again.
I'm referring to Kate's perception of him and the way it affects the triangle when I say that.
I'm well aware that his character is much deeper and complex than that, but I can't get rid of this impression of the whole thing.

I'm pretty sure my opinion is not shared by many Skaters.

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I really think the writers should go one way or the other: stick to not say a thing, or tell everything sincerely. Giving hints here and there, and maybe changing direction in their comments after is stupid. At least we now know they don't do that only with the fans.

Yes, I agree with you. I'm just glad Sawyer has always been honest and sincere about his feelings for Kate. Josh knows what his character is feeling.

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Ok, thanks. (after 3 years, 3 things I'll never make my peace with: The Moth - Kate lecturing Sawyer; Catch-22; and the scene of Two For The Road you mentioned).

See, I really liked The Moth scene, mostly because of Sawyer's reactionin it. Even though I didn't like Kate's harsh words to Sawyer, I saw them as a way for her to convince him but mostly herself that she felt nothing for him. Her behaviour towards him in that episode seemed like a defense mechanism to me.
It was also the pisode which convinced me they would absolutely have to get together eventually.

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Then... a party for the granola bar?

Okay, I like those.

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He just pimped the hell out of the episode, right? I didn't read either of the interview because I knew you would point out if there was anything important.
(also, I'm a bit sick of ME, no offence to the guy... but enough!)

Yes, Doc basically did some pimping and ME has had his 155788965 th interview.

**Hawthorn** · 01-21-2008, 06:21 PM

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Kristin's Vine show is up- Watch with Kristin - Vine Show: The Terminator Stars Answer You!

She posted this in the end: Have a wonderful Martin Luther King Day holiday!
I guess we'll see soon if there will be a chat or not.

Thankies! Well, if she's working for the Vine show, there are chances she'll do the Spoiler Chat. I hope.
I need her to aswer your questions!!

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Yes, to make us believe Sawyer was capable of changing, at least for a while. Still she never sees that side of him, or when I think she should she doesn't acknowledge him doing something good. Now with him having killed Cooper and Tom, pushing Kate away.., it feels like he's stuck int the same old place again.
I'm referring to Kate's perception of him and the way it affects the triangle when I say that.
I'm well aware that his character is much deeper and complex than that, but I can't get rid of this impression of the whole thing.

It's true that sometimes Kate goes back to her "back and white" vision of the world, but she does miss poices to understand the puzzle, like Cooper.I think she knows he's capable to be good, what hurt me last year was the fact that she didn't have enough strenght and desire to understand what was wrong with him. It's like she knows there is something off but has totally lost her capability to read him and push until she figures it out. It's sad because it's basically the first thing that made me a Skater.

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I'm just glad Sawyer has always been honest and sincere about his feelings for Kate. Josh knows what his character is feeling.

That's what I like the most of this mess. That he showed everything, to her and even more to the audience.

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See, I really liked The Moth scene, mostly because of Sawyer's reactionin it. Even though I didn't like Kate's harsh words to Sawyer, I saw them as a way for her to convince him but mostly herself that she felt nothing for him. Her behaviour towards him in that episode seemed like a defense mechanism to me.
It was also the pisode which convinced me they would absolutely have to get together eventually.

I'm not exagerating when I say I was fuming after the battery scene. I was saved by watching Confidence Man and Solitary the same night. I felt the scene up to the hill (while waiting for the signal) like her defence mechanism coming into play, but the scene at the beach was horrible to watch for me. I felt like elbowing Kate after her "parasite" comment, because she had no right to even start that kind of discussion with him. Maybe I wasn't able to read between the line, maybe it's like you say, maybe she was trying to get a reaction out of him... But I still have issues with that scene, even if I rewatch it right now.

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Okay, I like those.

Is it normal that the word "granola" makes me giggle?

Doc Arzt, post that freaking interview with Josh already!

misteriosa · 01-21-2008, 06:46 PM

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Thankies! Well, if she's working for the Vine show, there are chances she'll do the Spoiler Chat. I hope.
I need her to aswer your questions!!

I just realized all the questions she answers have a place from which a person writes. I never put my location.

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It's sad because it's basically the first thing that made me a Skater.

Exactly. Kate was his link to the whole group. She noticed the changes in him even when she was supposed to not care. And now when they are "together" she's completely clueless or even uninterested. WTF?
What especially irks me is the feeling that throughout the whole show she was shown as the only person who understands him and is able to make him realize he's not all bad, but they they give her that stupid line from the finale (or "I ain't hungry" from SIASL) and it seriously breaks my heart.

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I'm not exagerating when I say I was fuming after the battery scene. I was saved by watching Confidence Man and Solitary the same night. I felt the scene up to the hill (while waiting for the signal) like her defence mechanism coming into play, but the scene at the beach was horrible to watch for me. I felt like elbowing Kate after her "parasite" comment, because she had no right to even start that kind of discussion with him. Maybe I wasn't able to read between the line, maybe it's like you say, maybe she was trying to get a reaction out of him... But I still have issues with that scene, even if I rewatch it right now.

Well, I could agree about the battery scene, but the one in the jungle had me excited for all the future Skate scenes.

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Is it normal that the word "granola" makes me giggle?

It's a funny word.

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Doc Arzt, post that freaking interview with Josh already!

Oh, I can't believe I forgot about it for a day.

Still no chat.

**Hawthorn** · 01-21-2008, 07:07 PM

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I just realized all the questions she answers have a place from which a person writes. I never put my location.

LOL! Not even the state?

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Exactly. Kate was his link to the whole group. She noticed the changes in him even when she was supposed to not care. And now when they are "together" she's completely clueless or even uninterested. WTF?
What especially irks me is the feeling that throughout the whole show she was shown as the only person who understands him and is able to make him realize he's not all bad, but they they give her that stupid line from the finale (or "I ain't hungry" from SIASL) and it seriously breaks my heart.

I know you hate those two lines, but they didn't make too much to me. Maybe because I see them as her way to lash out, so there is irrationality behind them. What hit me hard were other things, like her approach in the creek conversation, or the fact in the episode he was gone for his trek with Locke at the Black Rock, Kate got a B story in which she was all about Jack, showing her loyalty to him and securing his leader position in the group and caring that he see the damage he was doing to himself in the group. I can't use the anger card to give the benefit of the doubt there and *those* the moments that make me wonder how much she cares about Sawyer, or thinks about him.

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Well, I could agree about the battery scene, but the one in the jungle had me excited for all the future Skate scenes.

I like the scene in the jungle somehow, but the episode felt very Jatey to me in the final part. I used to say it was the last big Jatey ep. of S1.
My first "Oh please, me want them together" was the convo in front of the sea in ep. 1x06. I tried to stay neutral for a long while, though.

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Still no chat.

It's 3:00AM. No chat.

I'm going to bed earlier then.
If this time can be considered so.

Goodnight sweetheart!

misteriosa · 01-21-2008, 07:21 PM

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LOL! Not even the state?

Nothing.

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I know you hate those two lines, but they didn't make too much to me. Maybe because I see them as her way to lash out, so there is irrationality behind them. What hit me hard were other things, like her approach in the creek conversation, or the fact in the episode he was gone for his trek with Locke at the Black Rock, Kate got a B story in which she was all about Jack, showing her loyalty to him and securing his leader position in the group and caring that he see the damage he was doing to himself in the group. I can't use the anger card to give the benefit of the doubt there and *those* the moments that make me wonder how much she cares about Sawyer, or thinks about him.

The Cooper thing is especially disappointing because she's basically been a part of that storyline ever since Confidence Man. It's not even a ship issue.

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I like the scene in the jungle somehow, but the episode felt very Jatey to me in the final part. I used to say it was the last big Jatey ep. of S1.
My first "Oh please, me want them together" was the convo in front of the sea in ep. 1x06. I tried to stay neutral for a long while, though.

I honestly thought that Jate hug was ridiculous. She knew him for what, several days. Please!
The writing for Jate was pretty in-your-face from the start so that episode wasn't an exception. That and the lack of chemistry was what turned me off from them in the Pilot. Hate at first sight.

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It's 3:00AM. No chat.

Nope. Too many holidays got in the way of chats and us lately.

'Night!

**Hawthorn** · 01-22-2008, 04:48 AM

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Nothing.

I never put the city, but I fill the state box.

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The Cooper thing is especially disappointing because she's basically been a part of that storyline ever since Confidence Man. It's not even a ship issue.

I know. If the Cooper thing won't come up again I'll be beyond disappointed that they discarted his core storyline like that. But I still have hope, because it's too much of a big thing... and she mentioned it in the finale. Maybe, indirectly, he'll refer to his issues with looking at himself and its future now that he accomplish his desire of a lifetime and it gave him nothing other than more self-loathing in the argument in 4x04.

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I honestly thought that Jate hug was ridiculous. She knew him for what, several days. Please!
The writing for Jate was pretty in-your-face from the start so that episode wasn't an exception. That and the lack of chemistry was what turned me off from them in the Pilot. Hate at first sight.

Dude, I started hating Jack and Jate since the 1-2-3-4-5 convo, 'enuff said. Still I was sure they would with it pretty soon no matter what.

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Nope. Too many holidays got in the way of chats and us lately.

Seriously. Since November, it has been all a celebration.

I'll think of something for Ausiello today.

Going to prepare the lunch, see you later.

misteriosa · 01-22-2008, 05:39 AM

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I know. If the Cooper thing won't come up again I'll be beyond disappointed that they discarted his core storyline like that. But I still have hope, because it's too much of a big thing... and she mentioned it in the finale. Maybe, indirectly, he'll refer to his issues with looking at himself and its future now that he accomplish his desire of a lifetime and it gave him nothing other than more self-loathing in the argument in 4x04.

It would be great, but I'm not hopeful when it comes to Cooper storyline.

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Dude, I started hating Jack and Jate since the 1-2-3-4-5 convo, 'enuff said. Still I was sure they would with it pretty soon no matter what.

Me too. And sadly we were right. they just can't let go of their Adam and Eve.

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Seriously. Since November, it has been all a celebration.
I'll think of something for Ausiello today.

I can't think of anything for Ausiello. All his spoilers were about Aaron and the Jate scenes for episode 4. We know all about it now.
So I don't know what he may know and somehow i think he wouldn't answer my Sawyer questions.

From Dark's - Spoilers: Season 4 Promo from New Zealand
He posted some caps. Most of them seem to be from the season 3 finale but some, not very interesting ones IMO, look new.