Josh Holloway - *SPOILERS* #27: A knight without armor in a savage land. - Page 7

**Hawthorn** · 05-03-2008, 05:51 AM

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From Ryan - LOST Adrift — Hawaii Blog

Aww, our boy is the only one who won't make it back.
He'll probably play the hero again.

Is Sawyer wearing a blue shirt or is that just what the green one looks like when it's wet?

I just got a little emotional imagining the scene.

I think Sawyer is wearing a blue shirt.... which means he could've reached the beach anc hanged, by episode 12 or 13. The re-cap says he's holding someone who doesn't seem to be moving in the water, and I think it could be Jin.... only I don't understand why Daniel isn't there. Maybe they're filming the scene in the two different takes.

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They added a few promo photos for SNBH - Sawyer is holding Aaron in three of them.

There are two with Christian holding the baby.

Thank you for all the news.

I hope Lost-Media will update the site with the promo pics soon..!

deej240z · 05-03-2008, 08:01 AM

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I just got a little emotional imagining the scene.

I think Sawyer is wearing a blue shirt.... which means he could've reached the beach anc hanged, by episode 12 or 13. The re-cap says he's holding someone who doesn't seem to be moving in the water, and I think it could be Jin.... only I don't understand why Daniel isn't there. Maybe they're filming the scene in the two different takes.

What are the odds that whatever is going on during the rescue, Sawyer is going to decide to go back; either to get someone or help someone still on the beach. Jack will be smirking with a good riddance look and Kate will be weeping.

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Thank you for all the news.

I hope Lost-Media will update the site with the promo pics soon..!

Check the episode thread.

misteriosa · 05-03-2008, 08:16 AM

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What are the odds that whatever is going on during the rescue, Sawyer is going to decide to go back; either to get someone or help someone still on the beach. Jack will be smirking with a good riddance look and Kate will be weeping.

I think you got it right. Something's probably wrong with Claire and Sawyer will decide to return back to the island with her. Or maybe the body they are "carrying" is Jin's.

At first I thought it was Desmond because he's the one with the blue shirt, but it must be Sawyer if Ryan says so. It's probably his jeans shirt.

**Hawthorn** · 05-03-2008, 09:05 AM

Thanks again for the pics, D. :

As I said, I thought the body could be Jin's because it would justify why Sun acts like her husband is dead in episode 7. Then when Sawyer has carried him back to the beach, Jin somehow wakes up and is still alive.

Also, if that's indeed Sawyer, the chances of the "spectacular kiss" being Skate just increased of 250%, lol.

misteriosa · 05-03-2008, 09:09 AM

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As I said, I thought the body could be Jin's because it would justify why Sun acts like her husband is dead in episode 7. Then when Sawyer has carried him back to the beach, Jin somehow wakes up and is still alive.

That's a good guess.
But what the hell happens with some otehr characters - Claire, Juliet, Desmond...

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Also, if that's indeed Sawyer, the chances of the "spectacular kiss" being Skate just increased of 250%, lol.

I agree and it sort of scares me. I don't really want it to happen.
A question - if you had to choose between a Skate kiss and a Conmama kiss for the finale, which one would you go for?

**Hawthorn** · 05-03-2008, 09:32 AM

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That's a good guess.
But what the hell happens with some otehr characters - Claire, Juliet, Desmond...

No idea. Claire could still be MIA in the jungle (maybe Ben and Locke saw her "potential" and took her after dumping Hurley)

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I agree and it sort of scares me. I don't really want it to happen.
A question - if you had to choose between a Skate kiss and a Conmama kiss for the finale, which one would you go for?

I don't know what to tell you. Before I saw SNBH, I would've taken anything above more triangle, in any form, even Sawyer and Claire locking lips (ewwww x 2,587). But episode 10 has had a weird effect on me - be it to see Kate caring for Clementine on Sawyer's behalf (I think), how horrid Jate was, Sawyer being all "protective parent" on Claire, Kate's reaction to Juliet telling her that Jack loves her, the FF... I don't know.
Right now I would pick Skate. Maybe it could be be a very nice goodbye kiss.

misteriosa · 05-03-2008, 09:54 AM

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No idea. Claire could still be MIA in the jungle (maybe Ben and Locke saw her "potential" and took her after dumping Hurley)

I'm torn about Claire. I see various storyline possibilities for her - literally hosting Jacob, becoming the new Danielle, romantically involved with Miles (and, yes, even Sawyer).

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I don't know what to tell you. Before I saw SNBH, I would've taken anything above more triangle, in any form, even Sawyer and Claire locking lips (ewwww x 2,587). But episode 10 has had a weird effect on me - be it to see Kate caring for Clementine on Sawyer's behalf (I think), how horrid Jate was, Sawyer being all "protective parent" on Claire, Kate's reaction to Juliet telling her that Jack loves her, the FF... I don't know.
Right now I would pick Skate. Maybe it could be be a very nice goodbye kiss.

Thatnks for answering. I know it was very hard for you.

If it's a goodbye Skate kiss, I really want it to be the end. No second chances.

**Hawthorn** · 05-03-2008, 09:59 AM

I think all my Conmama scary scenarios were killed by the last episode. In my eyes, they aren't going there, they have emphasized Sawyer's big brother/daddy role too much with Claire. Thanks the gods, lol!

I just don't know how to analize the whole triangle situation after episode 10, really. It gave me opposite signals respect anything I had seen up until that episode since last seaons finale. I have to see the remaining of S4 to say something, the writers threw me a curve ball.

deej240z · 05-03-2008, 10:06 AM

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At first I thought it was Desmond because he's the one with the blue shirt, but it must be Sawyer if Ryan says so. It's probably his jeans shirt.

Like someone mistook Hurley for Sawyer?

misteriosa · 05-03-2008, 10:09 AM

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I just don't know how to analize the whole triangle situation after episode 10, really. It gave me opposite signals respect anything I had seen up until that episode since last seaons finale. I have to see the remaining of S4 to say something, the writers threw me a curve ball.

They did say we'll see what happens after the season 3 finale Kate/Jack scene so we'll see. Maybe we'll jump forward to a moment in future when Jack is fully recovered.

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised by a Skate kiss just before or during the rescue and a Jate kiss in the future.

**Hawthorn** · 05-03-2008, 10:29 AM

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Like someone mistook Hurley for Sawyer?

Unless a blond, tall Calvin Klein model was on set while they were filming Hurley's car crash scene, I think the person who reported that sighting last year has mosked something bad.

BTW, I wish Ryan would upload his picture in a bigger size than 800x600.

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They did say we'll see what happens after the season 3 finale Kate/Jack scene so we'll see. Maybe we'll jump forward to a moment in future when Jack is fully recovered.

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised by a Skate kiss just before or during the rescue and a Jate kiss in the future.

It's totally possible all the "nice" things I've seen in the last episode will go to hell in the finale, I'm still prepared for the worse.

It's just that... I have this "good" vibe, I can't explain it, Misty. It's weird, but it's there. I'm experiencing the opposite feeling I had after Eggtown, and back then, after TTLG.

Most of all, I think it was the lack of any anticipation/build-up between Jack and Kate. It felt so empty, all their moments with the exception maybe of the proposal. It was still empty of feelings on Jack's side because he was almost asking her to prove something to himself, but I don't know how to take Kate's reaction, it seemed genuine.

misteriosa · 05-03-2008, 10:44 AM

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Most of all, I think it was the lack of any anticipation/build-up between Jack and Kate. It felt so empty, all their moments with the exception maybe of the proposal. It was still empty of feelings on Jack's side because he was almost asking her to prove something to himself, but I don't know how to take Kate's reaction, it seemed genuine.

The thing is - this whole season doesn't seem to be emotionally engaging, it's like it fails to make me care for the characters in general.
Sawyer is an exception, but that might be to a large extent due to my bias and online "devotion".

What I'm trying to say is that the emptyness might be due to the way season 4 has been written so far and not the desired effect by the writers.

I read both Skaters' and Jaters' opinions and they both seem very happy and confident about their ships being the endgame. That's a sign for me that the triangle will go on and is not yet resolved.

I stand by my Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve theory BTW.

Ryan posted this on the Fuselage:

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I'm pretty sure I didn't see Daniel Dae Kim there. However, I did overlook Jeff Fahey and his stunt double (I just presumed it was the Frank-like director) in my census.

**Hawthorn** · 05-03-2008, 11:08 AM

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The thing is - this whole season doesn't seem to be emotionally engaging, it's like it fails to make me care for the characters in general.
Sawyer is an exception, but that might be to a large extent due to my bias and online "devotion".

What I'm trying to say is that the emptyness might be due to the way season 4 has been written so far and not the desired effect by the writers.

I read both Skaters' and Jaters' opinions and they both seem very happy and confident about their ships being the endgame. That's a sign for me that the triangle will go on and is not yet resolved.

I stand by my Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve theory BTW.

You're right about the general feeling of S4 and how it could include how much they had or wated to rush with Jate as well, but as I said I got a feeling watching the last episode and I can't shake it. I have no problem is saying when I think the doom is looming over what I care about, you kow how critical I've been since last season, but I have also to say when I see/feel the negative in other things/storylines.
Jack has had more built-up in his relationship with Hurley than Kate, in the FFs, at least that's how it feels. I didn't see anything that was simply Jack and Kate in the FF, moments like Kate's dumb flirting on the beach at the beginning of TSOTTC felt more intimate and "personal" than the love scene I watched the other day. Their scene together seemed more about the context than them as persons who love each other. I mean, I know they couldn't have Kate say ILY if the triangle is still part of their plans, but Jack spoke about Kate more as "the girlfriend" than "Kate"...
I know what I'm saying doesn't make sense

, it's hard to grasp and explain what's a sensation, more than anything else.

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How did he manage to overlook Frank's unique shirt?

Could the body be Frank, the chopper broke, they had to use that rubber boat but it wasn't enough for all of them?

...I don't know what I'm saying.

misteriosa · 05-03-2008, 11:30 AM

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Jack has had more built-up in his relationship with Hurley than Kate, in the FFs, at least that's how it feels. I didn't see anything that was simply Jack and Kate in the FF, moments like Kate's dumb flirting on the beach at the beginning of TSOTTC felt more intimate and "personal" than the love scene I watched the other day. Their scene together seemed more about the context than them as persons who love each other. I mean, I know they couldn't have Kate say ILY if the triangle is still part of their plans, but Jack spoke about Kate more as "the girlfriend" than "Kate"...
I know what I'm saying doesn't make sense

, it's hard to grasp and explain what's a sensation, more than anything else.

I think I understand.
To me it felt like Jack wanted to see whether he could be a perfect family man and Kate was happy with Jack and Aaron getting along more than anything else.

Reading Jaters' posts, they think Kate is in love and super happy with Jack. The happest she's ever been. They also say she is doing a favour to Sawyer as a friend she's loyal to and not as a man she loves (or even used to love). Jack just needs to get rid of his insecurities and they'll be happy.
I can see their arguement, especially since Kate said her promise to Sawyer had nothing to do with them (Jate).

If they are right, I hope we won't see any more of Skate. Kate would really look horrible to go to Sawyer again because she's no longer with Jack with whom she'd like to be and will go back to him once he deals with his issues. *shivers with horror*

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How did he manage to overlook Frank's unique shirt?

Could the body be Frank, the chopper broke, they had to use that rubber boat but it wasn't enough for all of them?

...I don't know what I'm saying.

That's what other people seem to think is going to happen too. Some sugget the freighter explodes.
Where did the boat come from and how will they get off the island?
On a rubber boat? I cannot see it.

**Hawthorn** · 05-03-2008, 11:51 AM

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To me it felt like Jack wanted to see whether he could be a perfect family man and Kate was happy with Jack and Aaron getting along more than anything else.

Same here. I may be biased or wrong but that's the feeling I got, anyway.

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Reading Jaters' posts, they think Kate is in love and super happy with Jack. The happest she's ever been. They also say she is doing a favour to Sawyer as a friend she's loyal to and not as a man she loves (or even used to love). Jack just needs to get rid of his insecurities and they'll be happy.
I can see their arguement, especially since Kate said her promise to Sawyer had nothing to do with them (Jate).

If they are right, I hope we won't see any more of Skate. Kate would really look horrible to go to Sawyer again because she's no longer with Jack with whom she'd like to be and will go back to him once he deals with his issues. *shivers with horror*

It's possible the Jate interpretation is right, but I wouldn't take that line from Kate as too revealing. What could she have said? I could make a similar argument up: if it's Clementine related, and so it involves Sawyer's daughter and past with another woman, why would Kate not mention it?
The main thing is still there: why none of the scenes in that episode was about them but about the perfect dream of a life they had reached? Why Jack never seems to address his love for Kate directly? Why Kate has been giving more importance to Aaron than Jack in Eggtown, and the same seems to happen in this episode?

That's why I'm confused. And trust me, I'm not close in any way to say that now Skate is the endgame or something like that. But it made me think.

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That's what other people seem to think is going to happen too. Some sugget the freighter explodes.
Where did the boat come from and how will they get off the island?
On a rubber boat? I cannot see it.

Someone picks them up later... Penelope?