Josh Holloway - *SPOILERS* #27: A knight without armor in a savage land. - Page 17

**Hawthorn** · 05-08-2008, 05:36 PM

I'm baaaack. And this time I know what's going on, lol.

Misty, I had/have your same fear, but Christian tells Locke the baby "is where he is supposed to be", and basically he was the one taking Claire away from him...
I'm confused.

misteriosa · 05-08-2008, 05:45 PM

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I'm baaaack. And this time I know what's going on, lol.

Misty, I had/have your same fear, but Christian tells Locke the baby "is where he is supposed to be", and basically he was the one taking Claire away from him...
I'm confused.

I know. I don't want fans blaming Sawyer for anything.

Still, this whole thing with Aaron makes no sense to me. He's not supposed to be raised by another, but he's not supposed to be with Claire...The island is a bit indecisive.

deej240z · 05-08-2008, 05:47 PM

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It puts the responsability for him ending up with Kate on Sawyer. I don't want him to be blamed for something that in the large scale of things probably has nothing to do with him.

Well, there really is no choice for Sawyer. It's what he has to do. I'm assuming that he's going to go back for Claire, and he can't drag a baby around with him in the jungle.

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Still, this whole thing with Aaron makes no sense to me. He's not supposed to be raised by another, but he's not supposed to be with Claire...The island is a bit indecisive.

Maybe all this time the "another" was really Claire.

**Hawthorn** · 05-08-2008, 05:52 PM

Do we know if Sawyer may see Locke before he goes back to the beach? Christian told John to not reveal that Claire is with him, what if he says to Sawyer that the Smoke Monster killed her, or that she has died somehow? But I can't see Sawyer taking Locke's word for it.

Maybe Charlie's message was only referred to Jack, he isn't supposed to raise Aaron, but this doesn't involve Kate.

deej240z · 05-08-2008, 05:58 PM

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Do we know if Sawyer may see Locke before he goes back to the beach? Christian told John to not reveal that Claire is with him, what if he says to Sawyer that the Smoke Monster killed her, or that she has died somehow? But I can't see Sawyer taking Locke's word for it.

Man, I'd really like to have Sawyer meet up with not-Christian if they could have a conversation where not-Christian knows what they talked about at the bar. Now that would be awesome.

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Maybe Charlie's message was only referred to Jack, he isn't supposed to raise Aaron, but this doesn't involve Kate.

I suppose we'll find out about that in the last episode of the series.

misteriosa · 05-08-2008, 06:02 PM

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Well, there really is no choice for Sawyer. It's what he has to do. I'm assuming that he's going to go back for Claire, and he can't drag a baby around with him in the jungle.

I know. I just want him not to potentiall screw anythig up.

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Maybe all this time the "another" was really Claire.

And Kate was the right person to raise Aaron? It could be.

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Do we know if Sawyer may see Locke before he goes back to the beach? Christian told John to not reveal that Claire is with him, what if he says to Sawyer that the Smoke Monster killed her, or that she has died somehow? But I can't see Sawyer taking Locke's word for it.

What can he do? Ben and Hurley also don't know she was in there and Sawyer doesn't even know where the cabin is.

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Maybe Charlie's message was only referred to Jack, he isn't supposed to raise Aaron, but this doesn't involve Kate.

It's possible.
But I think Aaron will have to go back to the island eventually.

deej240z · 05-08-2008, 06:05 PM

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And Kate was the right person to raise Aaron? It could be.

Maybe, but I'm just getting this vib (at this point) that maybe it's really Sawyer he should be with. And on the island. Maybe that's one of the reasons why kate is so miserable in the future. Idk.

**Hawthorn** · 05-08-2008, 06:06 PM

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Man, I'd really like to have Sawyer meet up with not-Christian if they could have a conversation where not-Christian knows what they talked about at the bar. Now that would be awesome.

Heee. Awesome indeed. That's why it won't ever happen, sigh.

What's up with Abbadon? He sends Locke to the island... I'm losing track of the names on the good guys and bad guys lists, lol. Are both Matthew and Richard A. working for some greater good, or is Locke on the "bad side"?

I'm aware how crazy it is to speculate about an episode I haven't seen.

misteriosa · 05-08-2008, 06:12 PM

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Maybe, but I'm just getting this vib (at this point) that maybe it's really Sawyer he should be with. And on the island. Maybe that's one of the reasons why kate is so miserable in the future. Idk.

I've seen other people who got the impression that Sawyer (but together with Claire

) is supposed to raise Aaron.

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Man, I'd really like to have Sawyer meet up with not-Christian if they could have a conversation where not-Christian knows what they talked about at the bar. Now that would be awesome.

Indeed. Too bad they don't do scenes like that anymore.

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What's up with Abbadon? He sends Locke to the island... I'm losing track of the names on the good guys and bad guys lists, lol. Are both Matthew and Richard A. working for some greater good, or is Locke on the "bad side"?

Maybe they are all working for the good side, but don't know it yet.
I ahve no idea what I'm saying.

**Hawthorn** · 05-08-2008, 06:22 PM

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I've seen other people who got the impression that Sawyer (but together with Claire) is supposed to raise Aaron.

I'm torn. (not about Sawyer/claire because that will always be disgusting to me)
There is the raised by another prophecy. Ok. And Chalie's message.
But then they do all they can to show us Kate being madly in love with Aaron, calling him her son and putting him above anything else.
I don't know - and where the heck is Claire going to stay for a while?

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Maybe they are all working for the good side, but don't know it yet.
I ahve no idea what I'm saying.

No, I considered that too, but is it possible that these guys know everythng about the Losties but nothing about the other side? Too weird.

BTW, is it wrong that I lolled at young!Locke picking the knife, and making a mistake? Is that a way to say Locke has been wrong using certain methods?
Who do you think the three objects rapresent? The only clear connection I made was comics --> Walt and/or Hurley.

deej240z · 05-08-2008, 06:29 PM

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I'm torn. (not about Sawyer/claire because that will always be disgusting to me)
There is the raised by another prophecy. Ok. And Chalie's message.
But then they do all they can to show us Kate being madly in love with Aaron, calling him her son and putting him above anything else.
I don't know - and where the heck is Claire going to stay for a while?

You don't have to worry about a Sawyer/Claire hookup. Claire is probably going to sit out 99% of Season 5 locked away in Jacob's cabin. Never to be seen again until the S5 finale. Sawyer, meanwhile will be spending all that time looking for her. Lol!

misteriosa · 05-08-2008, 06:30 PM

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I'm torn. (not about Sawyer/claire because that will always be disgusting to me)
There is the raised by another prophecy. Ok. And Chalie's message.
But then they do all they can to show us Kate being madly in love with Aaron, calling him her son and putting him above anything else.

Kate seems more probable to me too.

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I don't know - and where the heck is Claire going to stay for a while?

In case you didn't know, a theory appeared on Lost baords after SNBH which says that Claire actually died during the attack and what we're seeing now is her ghost or something like that. Even Doc Jensen mentioned it in his last article.

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BTW, is it wrong that I lolled at young!Locke picking the knife, and making a mistake? Is that a way to say Locke has been wrong using certain methods?
Who do you think the three objects rapresent? The only clear connection I made was comics --> Walt and/or Hurley.

There were 4 objects I think - compass and something about the law.
I con't know who to connect them to.
Maybe Locke was right and Alpert was wrong.

ETA: You're probably right Deej.

deej240z · 05-08-2008, 06:35 PM

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But then they do all they can to show us Kate being madly in love with Aaron, calling him her son and putting him above anything else.

That's so when she has to give him back, the agony will be all the more intense.

**Hawthorn** · 05-08-2008, 06:40 PM

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In case you didn't know, a theory appeared on Lost baords after SNBH which says that Claire actually died during the attack and what we're seeing now is her ghost or something like that. Even Doc Jensen mentioned it in his last article.

Ohhh, now, that would be cool. If she died, it were during the explosion... so the real Claire went to ashes and Sawyer found her "spirit". Aww, she may have thought she was with Charlie in heaven when she said his name. Then saw Sawyer, and thought the Real of the Clouds can wait when there are still such studs on Earth.

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There were 4 objects I think - compass and something about the law.
I con't know who to connect them to.
Maybe Locke was right and Alpert was wrong.

Richard can't be wrong, you don't get to like all that time if you don't know your way around the world.

Locke must be the compass. No idea who is the law reference... Jack, Aaron?

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You don't have to worry about a Sawyer/Claire hookup. Claire is probably going to sit out 99% of Season 5 locked away in Jacob's cabin. Never to be seen again until the S5 finale. Sawyer, meanwhile will be spending all that time looking for her. Lol!

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That's so when she has to give him back, the agony will be all the more intense.

That's true, but it will happen when Aaron is already convinced Kate is his mom. If it weren't for the prophecy, I see less trouble in keeping Aaron with Kate than giving him back to Claire, and traumatize the kid, lol.

misteriosa · 05-08-2008, 06:43 PM

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Ohhh, now, that would be cool. If she died, it were during the explosion... so the real Claire went to ashes and Sawyer found her "spirit". Aww, she may have thought she was with Charlie in heaven when she said his name. Then saw Sawyer, and thought the Real of the Clouds can wait when there are still such studs on Earth.

Finally a reasonable explanation for Claire calling Sawyer charlie.

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Locke must be the compass. No idea who is the law reference... Jack, Aaron?

I'm going with Jack. He has to be involved in everything.