Josh Holloway - *SPOILERS* #25: Burn, Monopoly, burn. - Page 2

misteriosa · 04-12-2008, 04:02 PM

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He did, but I was pretty sure he was talking about Ben in the future.

That's what I thought at first but it just occurred to me that the piano Jack played in Othersville was probably Ben's. Besides, I can't really fit it in an episode set in Iraq, during the war.

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I thought you were joking about Ben doing whatever he wants and no one stopping him. Which is true, sadly.

He's almost as powerfula s the island.
I think Ben probably controls the Somkey.

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We should put together all the Sawyer info we have tomorrow. And decide what to bug about Kristin in our questions.

That should take us 10 minutes tops.

**Hawthorn** · 04-12-2008, 04:10 PM

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That's what I thought at first but it just occurred to me that the piano Jack played in Othersville was probably Ben's. Besides, I can't really fit it in an episode set in Iraq, during the war.

...I can't take Risk and Ben playing the piano in the same episode.
Lost has already made my nervous system so fragile...

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He's almost as powerfula s the island.
I think Ben probably controls the Somkey.

He tried to kill Locke who was another "choosen one" by Jacob. I've always wondered if that will have consequences... probably not.

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That should take us 10 minutes tops.

Don't say that. I still have to cope with the camping kids. ._.

misteriosa · 04-12-2008, 04:23 PM

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Don't say that. I still have to cope with the camping kids. ._.

We just kind of skipped that one.

Did we have two titles dedicated to the kids or just one?

What we know about Sawyer in ep 9:
-he's playing Risk with Hurley and Locke
-he's running towards a burning house which all of a sudden explodes
-he's shooting at someone
-he's inside of a house all dirty, sweaty and hot

Episode 10:
-he's heading towrds the beach with Claire, Aaron and Miles but something goes wrong

Episode 11:
-he's with Claire in the jungle, besides some Dharma door

I already told you their finale twist might involve the rest of the Losties getting back to the real world due to the EW article and my hunch, which often fails me. I'm probably the only Sawyer fan who wouldn't like it.

I really want him to stay on the island because he thinks of it as his home.
This whole season had 6 characters (with huge emphasis on Ben and later on it'll probably be Jack), while all the others were pushed aside. If it was all done for the big finale WTF moment, I'll be really pissed off.
I want him away from Jack and Kate.
I want him away from the coffin.
I think he's more likely to die on mainland than on the island.

Just had to get it out there.
I know you disagree and you'd love for Sawyer to make it off the island.

**Crystaline** · 04-12-2008, 04:42 PM

The appeal of Sawyer off the island is pretty damn squee worthy. But I've begun warming up to the idea of him left on the island. All of the 06 look like miserable saps in the future. If that kind of depression is awaiting James back home, I'd rather he make the island his permanent residence.

**Hawthorn** · 04-12-2008, 04:51 PM

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We just kind of skipped that one.
Did we have two titles dedicated to the kids or just one?

Stop it! It hurts.

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What we know about Sawyer in ep 9:
-he's playing Risk with Hurley and Locke
-he's running towards a burning house which all of a sudden explodes
-he's shooting at someone
-he's inside of a house all dirty, sweaty and hot

Episode 10:
-he's heading towrds the beach with Claire, Aaron and Miles but something goes wrong

Episode 11:
-he's with Claire in the jungle, besides some Dharma door

thanks for recapping.

I think Aaron may be separated from Claire in episode 10, but I'm basing this only on the Jack/Claire connection and the doctor's issues with the kid showed in Eggtown. Also, I'm assuming Sawyer and Claire are alone in 4x11, while Ken Leung could be taking a pause around there somewhere.
I'm so confused.

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I already told you their finale twist might involve the rest of the Losties getting back to the real world due to the EW article and my hunch, which often fails me. I'm probably the only Sawyer fan who wouldn't like it.

I really want him to stay on the island because he thinks of it as his home.
This whole season had 6 characters (with huge emphasis on Ben and later on it'll probably be Jack), while all the others were pushed aside. If it was all done for the big finale WTF moment, I'll be really pissed off.
I want him away from Jack and Kate.
I want him away from the coffin.
I think he's more likely to die on mainland than on the island.

Just had to get it out there.
I know you disagree and you'd love for Sawyer to make it off the island.

I can't dismiss any theory, but it really seems unlikely to have such a twist after all we have seen: the emphasis on the O6, Charlie telling Hurley they need you, Abbadon asking "they are alive, aren't they?", and above all Aaron being with Kate (Claire isn't dying because they have long term plans for her character, so why separating her and the baby? It doesn't make sense).

I want Sawyer on mainland, badly, yes. I think they xcan easily kill him off no matter where he is, if they want to. S4 hasn't given me any clue, so far, about what Sawyer could be doing there. All the storylines I can imagine linked to the island are strichtly mystical/mythological, not a territory they have ever explored with James. I never thought he was in the coffin, so that fear doesn't influence me (it's an irrational vibe I know, I could be even wrong but that's what I feel).
The only thing I look forward to on the island is having Jack and Kate far away, but at the same time I think that's the reason why the writers left him behind in the first place and I hate it, because they're once again handling his character in function of other people's storylines.
And I link the idea of home to people not places, and every person Sawyer was attached to is leaving and right now it saddens me a lot.

Maybe the bitterness will stop in S5.
(oh, and btw I swear to all the things I love that this feeling has nothing to do with Skate - of that, I really couldn't care less right now because I stand to the convinction Kate isn't in love with him)

misteriosa · 04-12-2008, 05:26 PM

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Also, I'm assuming Sawyer and Claire are alone in 4x11, while Ken Leung could be taking a pause around there somewhere.
I'm so confused.

So, you think Miles is still with them?
Then someone else must've takes Aaron. Who knows maybe, he's still with Claire in ep 11 but that person was to far away.

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I can't dismiss any theory, but it really seems unlikely to have such a twist after all we have seen: the emphasis on the O6, Charlie telling Hurley they need you, Abbadon asking "they are alive, aren't they?", and above all Aaron being with Kate (Claire isn't dying because they have long term plans for her character, so why separating her and the baby? It doesn't make sense).

No, it doesn't make sense, but this season has relied too much on the shock value so that would be my only explanation. The biggest reason against that kind of twist for me is the island or the lack of it in future seasons.

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And I link the idea of home to people not places, and every person Sawyer was attached to is leaving and right now it saddens me a lot.

But from what we saw, those people are not really who they were on the island.
Who knows what they might have in store for Sawyer. The prospect of seeing him changed on the island doesn't scare me nearly as much as that of seeing him changed on mainland.

I don't expect a lot of info from Kristin's set visit.
Doc Jensen's article seemed pretty revealing.
The actors probably won't be able to tell her much because they were filming ep 10 back then.

**Hawthorn** · 04-12-2008, 05:56 PM

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So, you think Miles is still with them?
Then someone else must've takes Aaron. Who knows maybe, he's still with Claire in ep 11 but that person was to far away.

Reports are cool, but often certain details get lost because you can't stay for the whole time of the filming of a scene, or you may misread/confuse the people/actions on set (Sawyer on the 4x01 car accident location, anyone?).
I'm getting paranoid, lol. Probably because the 4x10 description sent a lot of ideas I had down the drain.

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No, it doesn't make sense, but this season has relied too much on the shock value so that would be my only explanation. The biggest reason against that kind of twist for me is the island or the lack of it in future seasons.

Well, I wouldn't mind to skip Jacob, Smokey and the cloned bunnies for 1 season, but IMO they can't have a whole season with no island at all, if people have to get back there in S6, it would confuse/weird out the viewers too much.

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But from what we saw, those people are not really who they were on the island.
Who knows what they might have in store for Sawyer. The prospect of seeing him changed on the island doesn't scare me nearly as much as that of seeing him changed on mainland.

For me is pretty much the same. Not that I want to see Sawyer miserable, but do I know if he won't be miserable as well next year on the island? The O6 storyline is getting screentime and storylines, and considering Jack is there, I'm 150% sure in the end it won't be as bad as it seems, characterization/plot wise. Among the six, someone's storyline sucks, like Kate's, but look at the cool move it was for Sayid's character. Damon and Carlton can screw anyone anywehere and in any timeline, lol. I can't appreciate the island until I see something to keep Sawyer busy there, I look at the whole thing with the most pragmatic eye possible.

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I don't expect a lot of info from Kristin's set visit.
Doc Jensen's article seemed pretty revealing.
The actors probably won't be able to tell her much because they were filming ep 10 back then.

At least it's something. The EW clip made me happy even if it was pretty much useless in terms of information, something like that from Kristin is better than nothing - or more spectcular kiss details.

misteriosa · 04-12-2008, 06:02 PM

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I'm getting paranoid, lol. Probably because the 4x10 description sent a lot of ideas I had down the drain.

Which ones?

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Among the six, someone's storyline sucks, like Kate's, but look at the cool move it was for Sayid's character. Damon and Carlton can screw anyone anywehere and in any timeline, lol. I can't appreciate the island until I see something to keep Sawyer busy there, I look at the whole thing with the most pragmatic eye possible.

Those are very good arguments.
You'd think the importance of the island should be clear to us in season 4, but no such luck.

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At least it's something. The EW clip made me happy even if it was pretty much useless in terms of information, something like that from Kristin is better than nothing - or more spectcular kiss details.

If they fill us in on anything new, cool, but I'm afraid we won't get much more than we learnt from the ep description.
I bet next week both Kristin and Ausiello will pimp Claire's possible death in episode 9.

**Hawthorn** · 04-12-2008, 06:28 PM

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Which ones?

Above all, my so easy and nice "Hurley takes Aaron away with him and that's how the kid is an O6". I also thought Team Locke wouldn't be in episode 10 at all but Sawyer would get a decent screentime in 4x11, now with him having the possible A plot in 4x09 (which seems to be Ben-centric) I don't know what to expect from 4x10 and 4x11, and I hope they won't squeeze everything in the finale.

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Those are very good arguments.
You'd think the importance of the island should be clear to us in season 4, but no such luck.

I really wanted to be positive about the on-island set after the initial disappointment Sawyer wasn't on mainland. But in eight episodes I haven't seen one of the characters who are supposed to be left there to guard the precious island, and should be the ones in the right for not leaving, being treated as they have any importance. I look at Locke, Sawyer, Claire, and Juliet (which is still a soon-to-be Islander in my mind) and...

Desmond is the one with the cooler storyline and it's possible he leaves as well. I was hopeful thinking Ben would stay behind and control things from the island, but he's off as well.
In MKJ they showed us that the Island will haunt you no matter how far away from her you are, but other than that.. it's a mystery.
I just want a sign showing me a rich plan for the on-island part of the story, because so far it looks like the O6 are protecting it and the Islanders are the damsels in distress, with Jacob who even play hide and seek with Locke.
All my faith is in the next 5 episodes. And having 80% of them O6-centric isn't too exciting.

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If they fill us in on anything new, cool, but I'm afraid we won't get much more than we learnt from the ep description.
I bet next week both Kristin and Ausiello will pimp Claire's possible death in episode 9.

Didn't one of them do it already? The "Claire is in danger" promotion.

misteriosa · 04-12-2008, 06:42 PM

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I just want a sign showing me a rich plan for the on-island part of the story, because so far it looks like the O6 are protecting it and the Islanders are the damsels in distress, with Jacob who even play hide and seek with Locke.
All my faith is in the next 5 episodes. And having 80% of them O6-centric isn't too exciting.

I don't think you'll be too happy with the remaining episodes.
The way things are looking right now, those left behind will have to wait next season to get more stories and screentime.
When Darlton say we'll find out what happened to them (still talking about season 4), I think they are referring to O6' point of view.

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Didn't one of them do it already? The "Claire is in danger" promotion.

Maybe they even both did, but I just have a feeling they'll annoy us some more.

**Hawthorn** · 04-12-2008, 07:04 PM

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I don't think you'll be too happy with the remaining episodes.

Thanks for that.

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The way things are looking right now, those left behind will have to wait next season to get more stories and screentime.
When Darlton say we'll find out what happened to them (still talking about season 4), I think they are referring to O6' point of view.

Still, we are going to know why they won't to go back, if the Six think their friends are dead, if any deal was made, and even more important, how many were left behind. If I go into hiatus time knowing Desmond and Juliet are there, it would take away part of the bad feelings I have. Same if in the next 5 episodes they show me some of the good old Sawyer.

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Maybe they even both did, but I just have a feeling they'll annoy us some more.

Oh joy.

I still don't know what I'll ask them, but this time I won't send any general question, I'll only ask about Sawyer, I'm sure soem general stuff will be asked by other fans.

misteriosa · 04-12-2008, 07:12 PM

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Still, we are going to know why they won't to go back, if the Six think their friends are dead, if any deal was made, and even more important, how many were left behind. If I go into hiatus time knowing Desmond and Juliet are there, it would take away part of the bad feelings I have. Same if in the next 5 episodes they show me some of the good old Sawyer.

I hope so, but sometimes Darlton's quotes and hints are to be taken pretty literally. For example when they said we'd find out in season 3 who the Others were, I took it to mean they'd tell us what their agenda is, why they were on the island. Instead, I feel like we found out who Juliet and Ben are but we're still clueless about most of the otehr stuff.
So I'm careful.

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I still don't know what I'll ask them, but this time I won't send any general question, I'll only ask about Sawyer, I'm sure soem general stuff will be asked by other fans.

Okay, I'll do the same.

I'm going to bed now.
Good Night!

**Hawthorn** · 04-12-2008, 07:20 PM

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I hope so, but sometimes Darlton's quotes and hints are to be taken pretty literally. For example when they said we'd find out in season 3 who the Others were, I took it to mean they'd tell us what their agenda is, why they were on the island. Instead, I feel like we found out who Juliet and Ben are but we're still clueless about most of the otehr stuff.
So I'm careful.

You have a point there. I guess I'm still optimistic because they made some specific promises as well, like telling us why Sayid ended up working for Ben, and that we'll find out who the person in the coffin is. Of course, the main stuff could be addressed only in a vague fashion.
My only request is for them to tell me who stay behind and who leave, I don't want cliffhangers about that.

Goodnight!

misteriosa · 04-13-2008, 03:18 AM

I sent a question about Sawyer to Kristin.
Nothing specific, but I still don't think she'll pick it.

ETA: An interview with HIC - washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

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Here are a few more of the secrets shared during a recent phone interview with Henry Ian Cusick, the man who plays Desmond on TV's "Lost" and the winner of washingtonpost.com's Lost" Madness contest. Note to "Lost" freaks: He drops a couple of hints about the rest of this season, so pay close attention.

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When you received the script for the episode "The Constant," did you fully understand all the time travel stuff, or did you have to read it a few times?

I didn't find it difficult to comprehend or follow. My initial reaction was, how do I play that? I think anyone being in one time all of a sudden and then in another time, and not knowing who people are, that would put you in a mental ward. It would put me in a mental ward. So it was a fine line [for Desmond] to go bananas and not go bananas That was the challenge: To make it believable and not go over the top.

In the recent episodes of "Lost," Desmond and Michael came into contact with each other. Was this the first time they met?

That's an interesting question. Have they or haven't they? In my mind, when Desmond came back to the island and Michael was still on the island, Desmond was pretty drunk and out of it. Whether they met or not is ambiguous but if they had met, Desmond was too out of it [to remember]. Sayid has probably filled him in on what happened.

I know you don't like spoilers, but can you say anything about what we can expect for Desmond in the upcoming new episodes?

Desmond stays on the freighter. And you'll see more shenanigans on the freighter.

Will we see Penny again this season?

That I honestly don't know.

What do you think will ultimately happen to Desmond?

Since he's not one of the Oceanic Six., my thinking is he's on the island. I am guessing there are some survivors and if they have the Oceanic Six that wants to go back, I am guessing some people are alive on the island and maybe Desmond is part of it. Or maybe not. Does he find Penny? I don't know.

Do you think Desmond will die on the show?

I am guessing he does die.

Why do you say that?

I just have a feeling.

Not much new info, but it looks like Desmond is still on the freighter.

**Hawthorn** · 04-13-2008, 05:10 AM

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I sent a question about Sawyer to Kristin.
Nothing specific, but I still don't think she'll pick it.

Thank you!

I'll ask Maria if she can send one too (you two are the only ones I feel ok to bug for this kind of stuff

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An interview with HIC - washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

Not much new info, but it looks like Desmond is still on the freighter.

Thanks.
I hope he'll go back to the island by the end of the season, maybe in the 3-hours finale.

I'm willing to pay him.

Now, one great thing would be to get the promo pics for 4x10.