Josh Holloway - *SPOILERS* #25: Burn, Monopoly, burn. - Page 18

misteriosa · 04-19-2008, 04:14 AM

I probably come off as hypocritical because I whine and rant all the time, which annoys a lot of people, but I just don't get constant fights among fans. We all have our preferences and chances are those will remain the same for most of us until the end of the show. I can understand why some want to discuss and exchange their opinions (opposing views) in civil, moderated discussions, but "shipping wars" are pointless because participants don't even bother taking into consideration the other side's point of view.

For example, if there's a Jate spoiler out there, I can understand Jaters expressing their excitement at Dark's or some other board and Skaters expressing their disappointment, but I see no need to start coming up with ways in which pro-Jate spoilers are good for Skate or try to ruin somebody else's fun by repeating the usual OTP/endgame mantra or to show to TPTB that Skaters are still out there, rooting for their couple.

Sometimes, spoilers for shippers (either side) are negative. Period.
I was disappointed with the jealousy sex spoiler and the scene itself. Maybe I could come up with ways to rationalize it and make it seem more complex, but I honestly feel that I would be giving the writers way to much credit.

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But there will never be a way to get *everyone* to just stop, so...

Too bad.

Sorry, I'm done venting.

For today.

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Locke finds out where Jacob's cabin is; life on the freighter becomes dangerous

Fran, have you listened to the interview?
Do you remember the part where he talked about Sawyer being on/off the island?

**Hawthorn** · 04-19-2008, 05:15 AM

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Are you kidding?!

Where's the fun in being rational. This is the internetz!

I won't quote you girls because it would take me forever, but to summarize and reply to both of you: I think the biggest problem is how a lot of people pay more attention to how the opponent side sees things, than to how they do themselves. Sometimes it seems like you have to keep the cool to not show that you're on the "losing" side. Like, as long as I believe everything will work out in the end, I still have the upper hand. Maybe I'm exagerating but it looks like that to me, sometimes. I never post or talk thinking about the people who don't share my view of things and hate what I love may be reading me and what they could think if they did. I think a news is great, or that it sucks, I talk about it and if you don't agree, that's fine, you think my idea is laughable, that's fine as well. I think the hypocrisy is in pretending everything is either great or sucky only because you need to validate your POV. Also, not to be mean, but in certain matters talking and confronting opinions with each other is useless, IMO. Who does Kate really love? How could you expect two shippers to debate that, especially if is in comment to a spoiler negative for one side? In those cases, tell what your take on things is, and ignore the rest. There is no point in trying to convince someone else that your perspective is more correct, even pointless try to make it a contest about who is louder.
I mean, shipping is starting to resembe politics - never show defeat, keep the faith, support your couple no matter what, denigrate your opponent...

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Sorry, I'm done venting.

For today.

Thanks for the episode description.

So, Sawyer and Claire finding the hatch/station is going to be C plot in 4x11.

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Fran, have you listened to the interview?
Do you remember the part where he talked about Sawyer being on/off the island?

I went to listen to it again because yesterday night I wasn't exactly concentrated, it is in this clip, at minute 01:55. I can't make out exactly what the translator asks him. "Are you do one to leave the island, or the one to stay in the island" ...

misteriosa · 04-19-2008, 05:28 AM

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I mean, shipping is starting to resembe politics - never show defeat, keep the faith, support your couple no matter what, denigrate your opponent...

You always sum up the important parts.

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So, Sawyer and Claire finding the hatch/station is going to be C plot in 4x11.

It looks like it. How many scenes does the C plot get per episode?
We should probably count Sun, Jin, Charlotte and Daniel in there too.

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I went to listen to it again because yesterday night I wasn't exactly concentrated, it is in this clip, at minute 01:55. I can't make out exactly what the translator asks him. "Are you do one to leave the island, or the one to stay in the island" ...

Thanks.

That's what she asked him. So why does he say he still doesn't know and that we'll see at the end of this season? It's too suspicious for me. I think one of their finale surprises might be showing Sawyer off the island.

**Hawthorn** · 04-19-2008, 06:02 AM

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It looks like it. How many scenes does the C plot get per episode?
We should probably count Sun, Jin, Charlotte and Daniel in there too.

I wish I could answer you but right now I can't think of the C plot of any specific episode and make a calculation.

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That's what she asked him. So why does he say he still doesn't know and that we'll see at the end of this season? It's too suspicious for me. I think one of their finale surprises might be showing Sawyer off the island.

Maybe Turkey has just finished to air S3 and he wanted to keep some suspence?
If James is off the island, what's up with Carlton and Damon spending so much time in pointing out how the fact that Jack and Kate are off the island while Sawyer isn't an O6 put an axis to the triangle, or whatever they say? All a cover-up?

deej240z · 04-19-2008, 06:16 AM

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I won't quote you girls because it would take me forever, but to summarize and reply to both of you: I think the biggest problem is how a lot of people pay more attention to how the opponent side sees things, than to how they do themselves. Sometimes it seems like you have to keep the cool to not show that you're on the "losing" side. Like, as long as I believe everything will work out in the end, I still have the upper hand. Maybe I'm exagerating but it looks like that to me, sometimes. I never post or talk thinking about the people who don't share my view of things and hate what I love may be reading me and what they could think if they did. I think a news is great, or that it sucks, I talk about it and if you don't agree, that's fine, you think my idea is laughable, that's fine as well. I think the hypocrisy is in pretending everything is either great or sucky only because you need to validate your POV. Also, not to be mean, but in certain matters talking and confronting opinions with each other is useless, IMO. Who does Kate really love? How could you expect two shippers to debate that, especially if is in comment to a spoiler negative for one side? In those cases, tell what your take on things is, and ignore the rest. There is no point in trying to convince someone else that your perspective is more correct, even pointless try to make it a contest about who is louder.
I mean, shipping is starting to resembe politics - never show defeat, keep the faith, support your couple no matter what, denigrate your opponent...

Great analysis. I'll go one step further and say it all boils down to something like this:
My god is better than your god. My god is the only god. And if you have a god that is not my god, you suck.

**Hawthorn** · 04-19-2008, 06:33 AM

Well, that may be a bit extreme but it really looks like someone see shipping as "having faith" in the happy ending for your couple. Someone, if you tell them you enjoy Sawyer and Kate even if you're resigned to the chance they won't be together in the end, can't accept your position, because if you're not sure you can win, why you're partecipating at all?

And Damon and Carlton keep flipping the coin and mocking us in their podcast.

misteriosa · 04-19-2008, 07:52 AM

You're right about "having faith" in the couple's happy ending being the whole purpose of shipping.
According to some real Lost fans should have faith in the writers.

So, it does feel like a religion or at least a cult.

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Maybe Turkey has just finished to air S3 and he wanted to keep some suspence?
If James is off the island, what's up with Carlton and Damon spending so much time in pointing out how the fact that Jack and Kate are off the island while Sawyer isn't an O6 put an axis to the triangle, or whatever they say? All a cover-up?

Sarah said in the News thread they are about to air Ji-Yeon in Turkey so i doubt Josh was trying to keep the suspence.

I think Darlton want to keep things as secretive as possible. They are pointing out the "obvious" and giving us a false sense of security, reassurance about the current storylines. When they say Sawyer is not one of the O6, they are not lying but that does not exclude the possibility of him and some other characters getting back to mainland later on.

When Josh is asked about his opinions we usually get the same answers (Sawyer is for the week-end..., Braveheart-like death for Sawyer...) but when he talks about the story on the show he always seems to say just what he knows. He doesn't exaggerate or downplay anything. Last year he said Sawyer would screw things up with Kate (I think he was talking about their fight in TTID) and he also said to Kristin that Sawyer would kill Cooper if he had a chance to do it. I'm putting his answer from tonight's show in the same category.

If Sawyer does get off the island, the kiss could be a Skate one.
One of the reasons why they broke up Sawyer and Kate the way they did might have been to create the sense that they were really done with each other. That's why we don't see them mentioning or even missing each other. I won't be surprised if they don't share even one single scene on the island together anymore. That would make their FF encounter even more shocking and this is the season of WTF moments.

All this said, I still want him on the island.

Random: If those rumours for episode 9 are true, I'll feel sorry for my poor husband Miles. The freighter folks don't give a **** about him.

**Hawthorn** · 04-19-2008, 08:16 AM

I'm sitting here, trying to think of another way to comment on the idea that Sawyer is off the island without using squeeing smilies which could make me sleep on the couch tonight.

If Sawyer is on mainland, and we still don't know anything about Desmond's fate, who would be left on the island, Jin, Juliet, Claire and Locke..? And if the focus will ony involve the mainland next year, why bring Richard back, introduce the Temple, have Michael coming back... etc? And with who will Sawyer make it off the island if not with Ben and the O6?

About Miles, look at the bright side: he cares about the freighter people much less than they care about him.

misteriosa · 04-19-2008, 08:25 AM

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I'm sitting here, trying to think of another way to comment on the idea that Sawyer is off the island without using squeeing smilies which could make me sleep on the couch tonight.

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If Sawyer is on mainland, and we still don't know anything about Desmond's fate, who would be left on the island, Jin, Juliet, Claire and Locke..? And if the focus will ony involve the mainland next year, why bring Richard back, introduce the Temple, have Michael coming back... etc? And with who will Sawyer make it off the island if not with Ben and the O6?

I have no idea.

But you still didn't say what you thought about Josh's answer.
I'm waiting.

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About Miles, look at the bright side: he cares about the freighter people much less than they care about him.

I know, but still.

**Hawthorn** · 04-19-2008, 08:48 AM

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But you still didn't say what you thought about Josh's answer.
I'm waiting.

This is the point where I switch to plan B and try to distract you telling about the dream I had yeterday night where you and Jessica were giving me and Josh a belly dance... but maybe I'll spare you, this time.

I don't know, really. I didn't think Turkey had already aired episodes from S4 (Ji-Yeon included), but they have, and in light of that, Josh's answer is in fact suspicious.
But I truly can't come up with a scenario in which Sawyer leaves the island in this year finale, I would have to go for one where we see that he has been rescued in a different moment, maybe Ben had a way to go back and "recruit" him as well, and we see him arriving on mainland in 2007... I don't know.
Without the "top secret" hint given by Dark I wouldn't even be considering this, maybe. And I fear that if I start to speculate about this I'm setting myself up for another disappointment.

The good news for you, in any case, is how Josh said what he knows about the series is that he still has a job, so the coffin isn't an option either on or off the island.

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I know, but still.

You are irresistible when you use that smilie.

Hopefully the three minor characters dying at the beginning of 4x09 are three of the freighters guys who were meaner towards your hubby, and sawyer will take care of them.

misteriosa · 04-19-2008, 09:00 AM

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This is the point where I switch to plan B and try to distract you telling about the dream I had yeterday night where you and Jessica were giving me and Josh a belly dance... but maybe I'll spare you, this time.

I and Jessica or I and Yessica we belly dancing?

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And I fear that if I start to speculate about this I'm setting myself up for another disappointment.

The kids are enough.

Thanks for answering though. Now we can move onto discussing other things, at least until Dark gives us another hint.

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The good news for you, in any case, is how Josh said what he knows about the series is that he still has a job, so the coffin isn't an option either on or off the island.

I was thinking about it a while ago. My three candidates still remain Sayid, Locke and Sawyer (just because it's stroger than me). I hope it's someone else.

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Hopefully the three minor characters dying at the beginning of 4x09 are three of the freighters guys who were meaner towards your hubby, and sawyer will take care of them.

That would be great.

**Hawthorn** · 04-19-2008, 09:13 AM

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I and Jessica or I and Yessica we belly dancing?

Typo, sorry! I meant Yessica, but I'm sure Jessica would be on board to give Josh a belly dance any day.

And a dancing trio is better than a duo.

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The kids are enough.
Thanks for answering though. Now we can move onto discussing other things, at least until Dark gives us another hint.

We don't have other things to discuss.

(Awww, I'm thinking about Clementine and Las Vegas now. Not in the same scenario of course, lol)

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I was thinking about it a while ago. My three candidates still remain Sayid, Locke and Sawyer (just because it's stroger than me). I hope it's someone else.

To me it's still a mythology-connected character, so Sawyer is always out of the picture for me. I'm unsure about Sayid, because I don't know how in deep with Ben he is.

misteriosa · 04-19-2008, 09:26 AM

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We don't have other things to discuss.

That hasn't stopped us before.

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(Awww, I'm thinking about Clementine and Las Vegas now. Not in the same scenario of course, lol)

What scenario?

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To me it's still a mythology-connected character, so Sawyer is always out of the picture for me. I'm unsure about Sayid, because I don't know how in deep with Ben he is.

His wounds from losing Nadia might still be too freash.

**Hawthorn** · 04-19-2008, 09:38 AM

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That hasn't stopped us before.

LOL! Isn't that the truth.

We do have something, though:
Spoilers: Matthew Fox talks about upcoming episodes

The interesting part:

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In a room at the Long Beach Convention & Entertainment Center, he says that while his character has had issues in past episodes, things will get worse before they get better in episodes that follow him into the future.

“Jack is a frickin’ mess in the future so that has not been pleasant to revisit,” he says. “It’s never fun to put yourself in a place where you are messed up and desperate. He has gotten to rock bottom but I understand why we are taking him there. There is a period when he gets back [from the island] where he has built a construct of denial that he can maintain. Then things start to intrude on that bubble and he can no longer maintain the lie that he was telling himself, and things start falling apart. There will be a turn in there where he begins to build toward redemption, so I think taking him to the pit of despair will make that more rewarding.”

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What scenario?

James o* ma*i*la**.

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His wounds from losing Nadia might still be too freash.

Sayid and Locke were in the list of the six original Losties the produicers said they wanted to concentrate on, were they talking only about S4?

misteriosa · 04-19-2008, 09:48 AM

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We do have something, though:
Spoilers: Matthew Fox talks about upcoming episodes

It's always the same. Jack lies, Jack is in denial, Jack is a mess...
Will somebody tell us why already?!
I guess ep 10 will be similar to last season's finale FF, we'll get to see more of him being a mess. The answers and explanations will probably come only in this season's finale.

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James o* ma*i*la**.

You're already getting yourself excited. You can't help it.

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Sayid and Locke were in the list of the six original Losties the produicers said they wanted to concentrate on, were they talking only about S4?

Don't go around ruining my creepy scenarios.