Josh Holloway - *SPOILERS* #20 - Taller ghost Walt ordered: "Put that kitchen counter to good use" - Page 7

addicted2much · 02-19-2008, 09:22 AM

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With her our of the picture, it's going to be either Jin or Sun.

Yep. It doesn't look good for either Jin or Sun.
Could they kill Daniel? It's possible he was always just suppose to be on the show for a short time and didn't Aushole have something about a dangerous experiment.?

**Hawthorn** · 02-19-2008, 09:30 AM

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Could they kill Daniel? It's possible he was always just suppose to be on the show for a short time and didn't Aushole have something about a dangerous experiment.?

I doubt it's Daniel because Michael Emerson, on The View, said that the person dying is someone we've gotten to "know fairly well", so that should exclude the newbies.

ALEXA82 · 02-20-2008, 03:57 AM

NOT CLAIRE???!!!

What the ?

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That's because the "big Aaron reveal" is probably one of the most spoilered storylines in the history of Lost.

I´d still say that was the FF in the s3 finale...

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With her our of the picture, it's going to be either Jin or Sun.

True

but when it´s someone we´ve come to know very well, which implicates we come to like/love - my vote is on Sun. We´ve got to know her better than Jin IMO. And it would be the bigger shocker. But just one last reassurance...Sawyer is really safe isn´t he

Thanks for those big Sayid caps of the look I meant

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GAH! I feel even worse now that you remembered me of Every Man For Himself! That's one of the only two episodes I've seriously cried over, it's embarrassing to admit it, but... when Sawyer told her to go, with that face, after all we had seen in the episode... I lost it and I was weeping like a baby.This time I feel only anger, about everything the Skate relationship could've been, and never was because they never cared enough to really develop it. ._.

I know...I had some tears in my eyes too! I never really cried but tears in my eyes I had a few times with Lost. They are too damn manipulative

Also thanks for the new sneak peaks...hmm, the Skate scenes doesn´t get better does it

What adds up is that horrible music. I eman like, BIG reveal coming *gah*

On the suitcase...I think it will be enough...it´s just a bit scary (for a girl) you know, one suitcase for such a long trip...but I´ll have to handle the luggage myself so I can´t take something too big.

**Hawthorn** · 02-20-2008, 06:33 AM

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but when it´s someone we´ve come to know very well, which implicates we come to like/love - my vote is on Sun. We´ve got to know her better than Jin IMO. And it would be the bigger shocker.

I really don't know... Sun would be the bigger shocker, yes, but I wonder if they havwe the guts to do such a thing - basically, the same reasoning I made for Claire: would they ever kill a joung mother just like that? Although, they now have Kate playing Mommy, so who knows...

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But just one last reassurance...Sawyer is really safe isn´t he

Kristin said us that he's safe for a long time, long as in, until the last season. If she was lying I'm going to really buy that ticket to U.S. and hurt someone.

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Also thanks for the new sneak peaks...hmm, the Skate scenes doesn´t get better does it

What adds up is that horrible music. I eman like, BIG reveal coming *gah*

The sneak peek if possible makes things look worse. -_-
And you know what's worse? That Kate is using Sawyer, that they fight over a non-existent kid, and Jack will look like the heroic good guy at the end for helping Kate while Sawyer drove her away.

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On the suitcase...I think it will be enough...it´s just a bit scary (for a girl) you know, one suitcase for such a long trip...but I´ll have to handle the luggage myself so I can´t take something too big.

Think about the fact that it makes the trip more... adventurous.

Ausiello's spoielrs:

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Question: Pre-strike, Cynthia Watros was slated to return to Lost as Libby in the second half of the season. Now that we're probably only getting five of this season's back eight, is there any word on whether she still figures into the plans?— Brian
Ausiello: Libby actually pops up in the final pre-strike episode (now airing in late April), and the original plan was for her to return for at least one or two more this season. Whether or not that's still happening is an open question. I imagine that's one of many issues Team Darlton is hammering out as we speak.

Question: More Lost scoopage, please! — Barb
Ausiello: You've probably seen this clip from tomorrow's episode of Chef Locke delivering two eggs over easy to Ben in solitary. Well, wait until you see the breakfast he whipped up for his other prisoner. Hint: It's bursting with flavor and, if digested properly, quite the appetite suppressant.

Question: Do we know anything about Andrea Roth's character on Lost — aside from her being a shrink? — Toby
Ausiello: I don't know if we know anything, but I know that she plays somebody from Juliet's past in the March 6 episode.

Question: What can you tell us about the character dying on Lost? Have they been on the show since the beginning? — Bonasi
Ausiello: Yes, this person is an original 815er. And as far as major Lost deaths go, this one veers from tradition in one significant way.

Question: How 'bout some Lost scoop! And where can us Ausholes send your birthday gifts? — Angelique
Ausiello: Click here for what would seem to be a major spoiler about Ken Leung's Miles. And re: my b-day, I'm going to do something really out of character and ask that you guys refrain from sending me expensive gifts this year. Instead, please consider making a donation to the Humane Society. Were it not for the group's tireless undercover work, we never would have known of the unconscionable abuse going on at that slaughterhouse in California, prompting the largest beef recall in U.S. history. Do this for me and I promise I'll let you buy me expensive gifts next year. You have my word on that.

Ausiello confirms it's an original Lostie. The "significant" way this death is different from the tradition could be that the character dies in a FF, so technically we would see him/her still alive in "present" time.

Promotional photos for 4x06 - The Other Woman:
Spoilers: Episode 4.06 - The Other Woman - Promotional Photos

There is also a podcast with D&C and an interview with ME over DarkUUFO, but I haven't listened to them yet.

addicted2much · 02-20-2008, 07:28 AM

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Question: What can you tell us about the character dying on Lost? Have they been on the show since the beginning? — Bonasi
Ausiello: Yes, this person is an original 815er. And as far as major Lost deaths go, this one veers from tradition in one significant way.

Jin is killed in the future. Sun , but not in the traditional way of being shot in the stomach.

ALEXA82 · 02-20-2008, 08:31 AM

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I really don't know... Sun would be the bigger shocker, yes, but I wonder if they havwe the guts to do such a thing - basically, the same reasoning I made for Claire: would they ever kill a joung mother just like that? Although, they now have Kate playing Mommy, so who knows...

I´m not sure if the Kate is now mommy Aaron will make sense to me ever.

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Kristin said us that he's safe for a long time, long as in, until the last season. If she was lying I'm going to really buy that ticket to U.S. and hurt someone.

If she lied, I´ll reboock my ticket and join you

God, I hope we didn´t jinx it

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The sneak peek if possible makes things look worse. -_-
And you know what's worse? That Kate is using Sawyer, that they fight over a non-existent kid, and Jack will look like the heroic good guy at the end for helping Kate while Sawyer drove her away.

I know...a Skate fight only. Fine by me. What makes it almost unwatchable and will have me fliching is Jack- the hero

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Think about the fact that it makes the trip more... adventurous.

With humour is the only way I can take it

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Ausiello's spoielrs:

Ausiello confirms it's an original Lostie. The "significant" way this death is different from the tradition could be that the character dies in a FF, so technically we would see him/her still alive in "present" time.

Could be. But then, what the shocker. It could mean some of the big shots is gonna bite the dust...I wish we got a name already because with all due respect, see above is Kristin really reliable or was she was just like us going with her guts aka hopes? I know I´m paranoid about Sawyer´s fate - always was, always will be.

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Promotional photos for [i]4x06 - The Other Woman

Looks like a fest of all my "favorite" characters at the moment.

**Hawthorn** · 02-20-2008, 08:58 AM

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Jin is killed in the future. Sun , but not in the traditional way of being shot in the stomach.

It's hard to predict if they'll go for respecting what we've seen so far with their main focus on Sun, hence the death is Jin, or if they plan the major WTF effect possible killing Sun and expanding Jin's role.
I'll be sad anyway. ._.

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I´m not sure if the Kate is now mommy Aaron will make sense to me ever.

I'll wait to see how she got to keep Aaron when they leave the island and then once she's back in U.S. as a wanted fugitive, but so far this is a huge pile of suck of a storyline.

It may be interesting to see the whole "raised by another" prophecy come into play, though. If what was said to Claire was true, that the baby couldn't be raised by anyone but her, than soemthing is supposed to go wrong along the way for Aaron, to force Kate to take it back to the island and his biological mother. That should affect Kate hugely, on a psychological/emotional level - you know, her issues with her "fathers" - the biological and the adoptive one.

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I know...a Skate fight only. Fine by me. What makes it almost unwatchable and will have me fliching is Jack- the hero

I think the way the triangle will be shown in this episode may put the word "End" on the confusion, telling us who is the end game man for Kate. All hints point to Jack at the moment.

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Could be. But then, what the shocker. It could mean some of the big shots is gonna bite the dust...I wish we got a name already because with all due respect, see above is Kristin really reliable or was she was just like us going with her guts aka hopes? I know I´m paranoid about Sawyer´s fate - always was, always will be.

I wish they would give us a name already too. But I'm 99,9% sure it's either Jin or Sun. Elizabeth Mitchell even said she cried reading the script for their episode.

addicted2much · 02-21-2008, 05:49 AM

I wonder if they are going to kill a bunch of redshirts, when the volcano or whatever happens?

**Hawthorn** · 02-21-2008, 06:41 AM

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I wonder if they are going to kill a bunch of redshirts, when the volcano or whatever happens?

I think it depends on the final plan. I remember the theory posted by Misty that the O6 had to go back to the island, because the ultimate goal was to re-build some kind of society there. In that case, the red-shirts should live. If the O6 have to go back and "save" the remaining Losties, than the volcano/earthquake is a great opportunity to get rid of a good part the redshirts. I don't know.

Damon and Carlton's interview with Entertainment Weekly:

Lost | ''Lost'': Mind-blowing scoop | Lost | Doc Jensen | TV | Entertainment Weekly | 1

Beware: I cut some parts off:

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Last week, I had the chance to sit down with the producers for a wide-ranging conversation about the new season. Check out the new issue of EW for their thoughts on getting back to work after the strike, the return of Richard Alpert, and why you won't be getting answers to Charlotte's Tunisian polar bear this year. But in this space, you will the hear producers speak out on a variety of issues: the structure of the season; the big mysteries that will — and won't — get resolved; the relevance of extracurricular stuff like the recent ''Find 815'' alternate reality game; and the proper way to ''read'' the show's flash-forward stories. But perhaps most provocatively, the producers offer their rules for time travel and alternate realities — rules that many of you currently engaged in wild theory-making about the interpretation of time/space on Lost will find interesting, even challenging.

DAMON LINDELOF: Naomi's bracelet in the Sayid episode is a key point here. I got some e-mails from people who wondered if there was a connection between Naomi's bracelet and the bracelet worn by the woman Sayid killed in his flash-forward. There is no connective tissue. Sometimes a bracelet is just a bracelet. We just thought it would be a cool emotional touchstone for Sayid; Elsa's bracelet reminds him of Naomi. But some people interpreted that, ''Is there something more there?'' We might need to address that.

DOC JENSEN: Another popular theory making the rounds is that we're dealing with alternate realities. For example, there are people who think the flash-forwards are merely possible future scenarios, not written in stone.

CARLTON CUSE: We want people to believe in the stakes of the show. The problem with alternative realities is that you never know when the rug is going to be pulled out from under you. We want the audience to believe that the jeopardy is real. Postulating alternative realities would be an escape valve that would be damaging that as a narrative value.

LINDELOF: We're not going to tell you that we're against bending the time/space continuum. We are very for it. Carlton and I are PRO time-space continuum bending! But we're ANTI-paradox. [...]

CUSE: For example, the fifth episode of the season [airing next week] deals with time travel and operates in different time periods. It was a tough story to break. But we adhere to our rule: no paradox.

LINDELOF: It's been weird, though. When we got back from the strike, we had to put up a master timeline of the future, from the point where the Oceanic 6 will end up leaving the Island all the way up to where the flash-forwards will end.

CUSE: And the hard thing was charting a timeline when there's a bend in space/time: How do you illustrate that kind of timeline when time isn't entirely linear? That took us an entire morning —

LINDELOF: — just to debate the quantum physics of it all.

CUSE: But we do feel this is a place where we can challenge the audience to create a chronology — where Sayid's story happens in relationship with Jack's story, etc. We'll be adding pieces of that mosaic over the course of these five hours that should hopefully leave you with some fairly clear understanding of what happened between the time the Oceanic 6 were rescued or returned to the real world and Jack and Kate's final scene in the season finale.

CARLTON CUSE: This year, it's all about the castaways' relationship to the Freighter folk. Since day one, their goal has been to get off the Island. Now our heroes will find themselves defending the very island they wanted to leave. The future hints at the fact that these folks have a deeper connection to the Island than they themselves realized.

DAMON LINDELOF: The big mystery looming over this season is, how did some people get off the Island and what happened to the people who didn't? That's the mystery that we owe the answer to at the end of the season, in addition to who's in the coffin. We could be winky about the coffin all the way through season 5. But that was one of the first things we talked about when we got back to work on the new episodes: We definitely have to show who was in the coffin. That's the primary super-structure of the season. As a result of that, certain thematic elements — the element of fate or supernatural elements as they relate to the monster and Jacob — are certainly in play but not as interesting to us this season as these questions: Why do some of the characters leave? How do they leave? What are the circumstances under which they leave? Why do some stay? Is it a choice? Is it an accident? Both?

CUSE: There are larger cosmic questions involved in that. Daniel Faraday's rocket experiment in the Sayid episode, which established a time differential on the Island, was a very important scene in that it sets the table for things that come into play in the future of the show. We've learned a lot about our characters' relationship to the Island, but now we're going to learn their relationship to the outside world once they've been on the Island. This is an important new idea to the show.

What's the deal with Jacob's shack? It keeps moving. Then Hurley saw Jack's father rocking in Jacob's chair.

CUSE: You will definitely see more of the cabin and it was very observant that many fans noted the presence of Jack's father inside the cabin. We'll shine a little bit more light on that later this season. This is stuff that is a big part of the show going forward, but in terms of the final five episodes of the season, those are not the kind of questions we'll be answering.

Hurley also saw an eyeball looking back at him. Should we be wondering about the identity of the owner of this eyeball?

LINDELOF: You should be wondering, certainly.

CUSE: One of the definitions of omniscience is to be in more than one place at a time.

My annual inquiry: Will we be dealing with the Adam and Eve skeletons this season?

LINDELOF: No. But they will be addressed.

More Dharma Initiative intrigue this season?

LINDELOF: You haven't seen your last station. But the larger mythos, like ''The Purge'' — that's more season 5.

CUSE: We showed the Orchid video orientation film at Comic-Con — that is important for this season.

Now that they have a satellite phone, why doesn't Desmond just call Penny?

LINDELOF: Lapidus explains the rules of the satellite phone and what calls it can and can't make in episode 5.

The Sayid episode established that Ben's got this list of bad people that need executing. What can you say about these people?

CUSE: We'll know by the end of the season that there will be two alternative explanations for why Oceanic 815 is in the trench at the bottom of the ocean. It will not be clear which story one should believe. [To be clear, Cuse is saying the mystery of Ben's list is linked to this wreckage.]

LINDELOF: Both stories will be presented and both stories will have legitimate facts presented on their behalves.

CUSE: The act of taking a plane, filling it with dead bodies and putting it at the bottom of the ocean connotes a group that is pretty freakin' powerful. You should be worried about the people involved in either scenario capable of doing something like that.

So what's official and what's not? What's ''canon?''

CUSE: The mobisodes are in canon. The Orchid video is in canon. The videogame is not in canon. It's unfair for the audience to go to ancillary sources in order to really understand the show. Even the things like the mobisodes, which are in canon, aren't essential to your understanding of the show. These things are just added bonuses.

DOC JENSEN: You've certainly picked some interesting names for your Freighter folk. How should we be interpreting them?

DAMON LINDELOF: With Miles Straum, we just thought it would be cool if his name sounded like ''maelstrom.'' Charlotte Lewis was an obvious reference to C.S. Lewis and an important clue to places we're going at the end of the season.

CARLTON CUSE: And an important clue to Charlotte's own, as-yet-untold important backstory.

LINDELOF: One of our producers, Eddie Kitsis, has been pitching to us ''Frank Lapidus, Helicopter Pilot'' for years. Daniel Faraday is an obvious shout-out to Michael Faraday, scientist and physicist.

CUSE: As is Minkowski, who's on the Freighter. Those names are clues related to the space/time issues that will become more significant downstream.

In short:

- Naomi and Elsa's bracelets had no mytological purpose, they just thought giving Elsa the same bracelet would bring memories in Sayid;
- Adam and Eve, the skeletons, will be adressed but not this season;
- Episode 4x05 "deals with time travel and operates in different time periods";
- In episode 4x05, we'll find out which kind of calls the satellite phone can do and which it can't, explaining why they can't call the outside world;
- By the end of the season we will know who is in the coffin;
- The larger mythos, like "The Purge", will come back in season 5;
- NO to alternative realities, because they want the audience to invest in the story and the characters and what happens to them - that doesn't exclude time travel and bending of the space/time continuum though;
- By the end of the season, we'll know what happened since the O6 left the island/got rescued, to the point Jack and Kate meet in the airport;
- We'll see more hints to Jacob and the cabin, but that's not something that will be answered by the end of this season;
- the Orchid video showed at Comc Con is important this season;
- the mystery of Ben's list is linked to the wreckage seen at the bottom of the ocean.

addicted2much · 02-21-2008, 07:31 AM

Thanks ,Francesca.

I still think Misty's could be correct on Charlotte being Kate and James
baby girl.

**Hawthorn** · 02-21-2008, 07:43 AM

Making Rebecca Mader keep her red hair would've been a pretty wrong move, then.

(This is a message in the bottle for Misty: how dare you leave me to face Eggtown alone tonight? We don't even know how correct is the synopsis we have anymore. Yell at your computer to cowboy up and come back now!!! LOL )

I'm getting anxious about tonight.

addicted2much · 02-21-2008, 07:59 AM

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Making Rebecca Mader keep her red hair would've been a pretty wrong move, then

Blonds can have red- headed kids. Hair color can go back a few generations.
Charlotte could be a bottle blonde.

**Hawthorn** · 02-21-2008, 08:34 AM

Why did we put the theory aside? Because Sun is having a daughter and that screws up the idea the newbies are all connected to the Losties with a parent-son bond? (we thought Miles would be a Kwon)

ALEXA82 · 02-21-2008, 10:25 AM

Ladies! Still no Misty in sight

I´m really bad at consoling you Fran on my own since I won´t watch the ep until Saturday

Thanks a bunch for the short version Fran

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- Episode 4x05 "deals with time travel and operates in different time periods";
- In episode 4x05, we'll find out which kind of calls the satellite phone can do and which it can't, explaining why they can't call the outside world;

I hope I´ll be able to follow, if yes it could get "cool"

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- The larger mythos, like "The Purge", will come back in season 5;

Ok, what is the purge?

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- NO to alternative realities, because they want the audience to invest in the story and the characters and what happens to them - that doesn't exclude time travel and bending of the space/time continuum though;

good! would be damna bad coup out otherwise...

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- the Orchid video showed at Comc Con is important this season;

???

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- the mystery of Ben's list is linked to the wreckage seen at the bottom of the ocean.

sounds interesting

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We don't even know how correct is the synopsis we have anymore.

we don´t

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I still think Misty's could be correct on Charlotte being Kate and James
baby girl.

ok, how could I miss that theory? sounds totally COOL and would explain that look between Charlotte and Sawyer. me would like it! she looks abit like Sawyer - with some fantasy

oh and of course Miles baby Kwon?!

ok, sorry for my typing...doing it with one hand today...got an immunisation and my arm hurts like hell...

**Hawthorn** · 02-21-2008, 10:50 AM

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Ladies! Still no Misty in sight

I´m really bad at consoling you Fran on my own since I won´t watch the ep until Saturday

Saturday?

Wow, talk about waiting to see an episode... sorry about that Alexa! and you're wonderful in oputting up with my rants and venting, thank you for that!

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Ok, what is the purge?

That would be what we've seen in episode 3x20, The Man Behind The Curtain, when Ben and the natives kill all the Dharma people with the gas.

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good! would be damna bad coup out otherwise...

I still have to understand how time travelling without altering the "old reality" may play in the story though, we saw in Flashes Before Your Eyes Desmond beeing a "viewer" of what happened around him, so maybe something like that? But used to what purpose?

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???

At the Comic Con last summer, they showed a clip of a new Orientation film, for a sixth station we haven't seen yet, The Orchid:

YouTube - New Lost Season 4 Sneak Peak!!! New Hatch!, The Orchid

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we don´t

Nope.

Remember how in the synopsis Sawyer offered a glass of wine to Kate after they had conned Locke? Well, in the sneak peek we see that it happens before the con, so who knows how many things have changed in the final version of the episode. It's possible the first symopsis came from a script, but not the definitive one.
there are a lot of rumors going around but they're unconfirmed so I didn't even check them in the past few days, the sources were Jate fans so I chose to just wait and see the episode instead of sweating over stuff that may be fake.

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ok, how could I miss that theory? sounds totally COOL and would explain that look between Charlotte and Sawyer. me would like it! she looks abit like Sawyer - with some fantasy

oh and of course Miles baby Kwon?!

Problem is baby Kwon is a girl...

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ok, sorry for my typing...doing it with one hand today...got an immunisation and my arm hurts like hell...

Ouch! Sorry about that. I hate when it happens. Hopefully it will fade soon.