Josh Holloway - *SPOILERS* #20 - Taller ghost Walt ordered: "Put that kitchen counter to good use" - Page 5

**Hawthorn** · 02-15-2008, 04:46 PM

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That would be my guess, but maybe that woman, Harper, is actually on the boat. I remember there were some sighting spoilers about EM shooting a scene with Rebbeca Mader and they were talking to Daniel via talkie-walkies.

I love your memory, here it is:
Spoilers: More Lost Filming Reports

Would that mean that therapist is Ben's spy on the boat?

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It could be. I'drather Juliet get mean than sucked into the crapzoid of doom.

The press release is promising - although I'm more excited about the "deal" offered to Locke by Ben, I wonder if it's something involving the people staying behind, with the fact that we're close to when the freighter is supposed to show up (and the time when in my head the O6 should leave).
I don't want Juliet sacrificed to the altar of the romanticrap, but if I have to choose between her and Sawyer...

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BTW I love Sawyer's line from the preview: "Got something in your eye Hugo?"

Me too. I would've never thought in a "Skate" sneak peek, my main (only?) motive of enjoyment would be the Surley part. And isn't Hurley super sweet in being happy for his friend?

P.S. remember when I asked you about what you had in purple? I'm not giving out suggestions here, but...
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misteriosa · 02-15-2008, 05:18 PM

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Would that mean that therapist is Ben's spy on the boat?

I don't know. Sometimes I forget to think about the details.

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The press release is promising - although I'm more excited about the "deal" offered to Locke by Ben, I wonder if it's something involving the people staying behind, with the fact that we're close to when the freighter is supposed to show up (and the time when in my head the O6 should leave).

That would be nice.
I really wish they'd start giving away more info about the rescue. They keep throwing all kinds of hints in FFs but we're still clueless about what will happen on the island.

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I don't want Juliet sacrificed to the altar of the romanticrap, but if I have to choose between her and Sawyer...

That's easy.

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Me too. I would've never thought in a "Skate" sneak peek, my main (only?) motive of enjoyment would be the Surley part. And isn't Hurley super sweet in being happy for his friend?

Yes, he is.
I seriously cannot wait for the SKate break-up. The only thing that will annoy me will be comments on Dark's and various debates between Skaters and Jater - they are over; in your dreams, JIF, OTP...

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P.S. remember when I asked you about what you had in purple? I'm not giving out suggestions here, but...
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**Hawthorn** · 02-15-2008, 05:38 PM

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I don't know. Sometimes I forget to think about the details.

Awww, you and Damon have something in common then. Sometimes he has trouble with the main stuff as well, though.

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I really wish they'd start giving away more info about the rescue. They keep throwing all kinds of hints in FFs but we're still clueless about what will happen on the island.

I would be happy enough knowing when it happens... like half S4, at the end of S4, or beyond... I mean, I have this idea in my head about the time it will happen and it's not the case, I would find out sooner rather than later because I'm really looking forward to episodes 7 and 8...

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I seriously cannot wait for the SKate break-up.

I already thought it might've been a good thing but right now I'm looking forward to it like I didn't think it it was possible. You know, being happy about it.
And the funny thing is that after months of rationalizing why I should've stopped caring or hoping or going crazy over this, what made it for me was a totally irrational thing, the fact that in all the clips I've watched today I saw the love only over Sawyer's face. I can't even explain this in a logic way to a normal person who doesn't know my madness.

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The only thing that will annoy me will be comments on Dark's and various debates between Skaters and Jater - they are over; in your dreams, JIF, OTP...

What irks me the most is the "official" stuff coming from articles and things like that, I've been practicing for quite a while now how to ignore tha fan reactions and comments, and stay away from certain places.

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Now, laughs weren't exactly the reaction I was looking for, my sexy spouse.

misteriosa · 02-15-2008, 05:52 PM

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I would be happy enough knowing when it happens... like half S4, at the end of S4, or beyond... I mean, I have this idea in my head about the time it will happen and it's not the case, I would find out sooner rather than later because I'm really looking forward to episodes 7 and 8...

I know. I've convinced myself that the rescue will happen by episode 8 and I'm not sure what to expect if it doesn't go like that. I want it to happen soon because I expect the focus to shift on the on-island storylines later on.

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I already thought it might've been a good thing but right now I'm looking forward to it like I didn't think it it was possible. You know, being happy about it.
And the funny thing is that after months of rationalizing why I should've stopped caring or hoping or going crazy over this, what made it for me was a totally irrational thing, the fact that in all the clips I've watched today I saw the love only over Sawyer's face. I can't even explain this in a logic way to a normal person who doesn't know my madness.

Sometimes just a small detail is enough to trigger off a strong reaction.

I noticed that Sawyer looks super pissed off in one promo cap. I assume it's after the fight scene.

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Now, laughs weren't exactly the reaction I was looking for, my sexy spouse.

I'll wear it if you promise to flip me Sawyer-style.

**Hawthorn** · 02-15-2008, 06:16 PM

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I know. I've convinced myself that the rescue will happen by episode 8 and I'm not sure what to expect if it doesn't go like that. I want it to happen soon because I expect the focus to shift on the on-island storylines later on.

Yep. The fact the Ben is off the island if possible made the storytelling even more unbalanced IMO, and I can't wait for them to start telling the stories of the ones left behind. At least, with the end of the strike and the decision to execute the complete plan for S4 even with 13 instead of 16 episodes, we *should* be able to see the rescue this year. If our speculations are completely off and they leave, like, in S5... then I have no backup theory.

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Sometimes just a small detail is enough to trigger off a strong reaction.

It's funny because we've gone through worse (*cough*Catch-22*cough*) but I never felt like this before.

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I noticed that Sawyer looks super pissed off in one promo cap. I assume it's after the fight scene.

He is for sure indoors, but I can't say anything else about the surroundings.

BTW, in the Canadian promo, the scene with Kate moving towards what I assume is the bed, and the shot of Sawyer, shirtless, on the bed, are they from the night, or the morning?

Sorry but I have a huge confusion in my head and certain shots seems to have the artificial light on, in others I think I see the sunlight through the windows... I'm going crazy.

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I'll wear it if you promise to flip me Sawyer-style.

Babe, anything for you, all you gotta do is ask - with you, I already know you love me.

misteriosa · 02-15-2008, 06:42 PM

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If our speculations are completely off and they leave, like, in S5... then I have no backup theory.

Me neither. Plus, I would really hate to see the rescue dragged out for too long. Once we discover who the Oceanic Six are, I will see no point in delaying it.

I was reading some comments on Dark's and saw this quote from MF posted there:

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Q: What goes wrong with the rescue to make Jack so messed up?

A: Him being that messed up doesn't have anything to do with the rescue-it has to do with a bigger concept of the show. It's been hinted at before, that fate is a very important part of why certain people have ended up on the island; that maybe those people are fated to do something and if you deviate from fate, people begin to die. So where we find him in the future has more to do with the fact that there's something unfinished that he's run from and he has no choice but to go back or face what's happening to him.

I think it's from an Australian magazine and it was the only spoilery part. I wasn't sure if you had read it before so I posted it here.
Fate. JIF. (I'm actually serious.

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He is for sure indoors, but I can't say anything else about the surroundings.

It still looks like his

house to me. There are some pictures on the wall.
I bet it's right after the slap.

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BTW, in the Canadian promo, the scene with Kate moving towards what I assume is the bed, and the shot of Sawyer, shirtless, on the bed, are they from the night, or the morning?

Sorry but I have a huge confusion in my head and certain shots seems to have the artificial light on, in others I think I see the sunlight through the windows... I'm going crazy.

I have no idea.
I thought she would tell him about Locke in the kitchen scene but it looks like it happens in the bedroom.
The spoilers said Kate will take off his shirt and start kissing him, but he's already shirtless in all the promo shots.
I think they'll start fighting soon after the flip.

Have you seen this article - New Lost Star Thanks Kristen Bell for Role! - Ausiello Report | TVGuide.com

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Have you heard anything about a potential romance for Charlotte?
Mader: I've been trying to figure out who I want that to be.

Maybe Sawyer?
Mader: That's what my friends are hoping. But I don't know.

I'll plant that seed with Damon and Carlton.
Mader: Please do. Say the fans are really asking for it.

**Hawthorn** · 02-15-2008, 07:04 PM

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Me neither. Plus, I would really hate to see the rescue dragged out for too long. Once we discover who the Oceanic Six are, I will see no point in delaying it.

Me neither, but things in the past have proved that me and the writers can have very different feelings about the plot.

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I was reading some comments on Dark's and saw this quote from MF posted there

I think it's from an Australian magazine and it was the only spoilery part. I wasn't sure if you had read it before so I posted it here.
Fate. JIF. (I'm actually serious.)

I hate it... really. Not because of the whole possible Adam and Eve thing which at the mement I couldn't care less about, but because coupling this with Charlie's death and everything... it gives me an idea I hate. I'm an atheist, I believe we can go whenever we want with no bounds and there is nothing "written" anywhere. the fact that Fate wins over Free Will, sucks in my book.
BTW, thanks for that bit because I hadn't read it!

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It still looks like his

house to me. There are some pictures on the wall.
I bet it's right after the slap.

But The Precious looks pretty composed to have gone through a traumatic experience. Hmmm... I don't know, maybe she's accusing him of something/throwing at him again the absurdity of staying on the island, or making some bad comments about his reaction to the posible pregnancy there, and that's before he replies.
I have no idea.

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I thought she would tell him about Locke in the kitchen scene but it looks like it happens in the bedroom.
The spoilers said Kate will take off his shirt and start kissing him, but he's already shirtless in all the promo shots.
I think they'll start fighting soon after the flip.

Yep, the flip it's sure in the morning, hence before the argument. That's the "sexy move" Sawyer is trying to put on her and she'll stop.
But I'm super confused about the rest, their "clothes" don't help.

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Have you seen this article - New Lost Star Thanks Kristen Bell for Role! - Ausiello Report | TVGuide.com

I perfectly understand why Rebecca and her friends, who care for her, would love that.

I can't blame them.
Mickey, you better keep your mouth shut with TPTB, though. *holds a gun at Smurfette's temple*

BTW, it's not just that I don't want any other woman around Sawyer, or the fact that to me it's absurd to image Sawyer in love or even interested in someone else after these three years, it's also that I'm looking forward to see new storylines for Sawyer, good stuff, if they plan to throw him in another relationship, well then the whole end of skate is pointless story-wise, for his character. :/

I would be warmer to the idea of James and Charlotte if she were played by another actress, btw. Champignon doesn't look bad as temper/attitude, but the shallow isde of me have issues with her apperance next to Sawyer.

misteriosa · 02-15-2008, 07:25 PM

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I hate it... really. Not because of the whole possible Adam and Eve thing which at the mement I couldn't care less about, but because coupling this with Charlie's death and everything... it gives me an idea I hate. I'm an atheist, I believe we can go whenever we want with no bounds and there is nothing "written" anywhere. the fact that Fate wins over Free Will, sucks in my book.
BTW, thanks for that bit because I hadn't read it!

I hate the idea that Fate will win against Free Will. It sucks so much.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't God give people free will?

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Yep, the flip it's sure in the morning, hence before the argument. That's the "sexy move" Sawyer is trying to put on her and she'll stop.
But I'm super confused about the rest, their "clothes" don't help.

I thought that was a sheet around his waist but people say it's a towel. This promo is too confusing for me.

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Mickey, you better keep your mouth shut with TPTB, though. *holds a gun at Smurfette's temple*

Ausiello is such a Jater and a fake Jacketeer.

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BTW, it's not just that I don't want any other woman around Sawyer, or the fact that to me it's absurd to image Sawyer in love or even interested in someone else after these three years, it's also that I'm looking forward to see new storylines for Sawyer, good stuff, if they plan to throw him in another relationship, well then the whole end of skate is pointless story-wise, for his character. :/

I perfectly understand what you're saying, but I just cannot see them leaving Sawyer without, at least, a sex interest.

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I would be warmer to the idea of James and Charlotte if she were played by another actress, btw. Champignon doesn't look bad as temper/attitude, but the shallow isde of me have issues with her apperance next to Sawyer.

I want names and pictures by tomorrow. We're starting a petition for Darlton.
It's us vs. Michael.

I'm off to bed now.
Good Night.

**Hawthorn** · 02-16-2008, 05:03 AM

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I hate the idea that Fate will win against Free Will. It sucks so much.

I'm right there with you. Also, in my eyes it makes the characters struggles and achievement less... meaningful, because it's like saying, no matter what you'll do, in the end the course of fate will lead you there where you belong anyway, one way or the other.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't God give people free will?

See, my problem with religion is that when I was younger I've asked or a simple explanation of how it was possible that God had a plan for all of us, and he's omniscient, but at the same time human beings have Free Wikll over their choices. Basically, what it was answered to me, is that we can make our own choices... but God already knows what they're going to be, and what path we'll follow anyway.

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I thought that was a sheet around his waist but people say it's a towel. This promo is too confusing for me.

I should do some serious studying of those caps... problem is, I feel 0 desire to do it at the moment.

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Ausiello is such a Jater and a fake Jacketeer.

He's not alone. there are many Jacketeers who are "double shippers" (Jate and Jacket) but only because they don't want their hero alone, and are ready to jump on the mainship when the right moment will come.

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I perfectly understand what you're saying, but I just cannot see them leaving Sawyer without, at least, a sex interest.

But he has already had tons, why they can't give him a break now that they plan to give Jack some "action"? with their hero they never had problems leaving him "celibate".

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I want names and pictures by tomorrow. We're starting a petition for Darlton.
It's us vs. Michael.

LMAO. I like this plan!!
I'll give you my castings later.

See you later!

ETA - Ben rumor:

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Just had some interesting info sent through to me. I'm trying to contact my confirmed sources to see what they have to say. I'm placing in rumours until I can clarify. Below is a summary from a much larger exchange.

1) Episode 4.9, pre-strike was going to be a Ben-Centric episode
2) The title penciled in was "The Outlier"
3) A Numbers Theory professor was brought in as a consultant by the TPTB to write a proof called "The Jacobian Code"
4) This code involved maritime calculations which were given to him, and the typical Lost numbers of 4,8,15,16,23,42. His job was to make a real proof with the maritime calculations and the Lost numbers and formulate it into an equation which as mentioned above is called the "Jacobian Code"
5) The code was to be featured in the show in episode 9 and he was told that when the code was featured in the background it would become one of televisions most tivo'd moments of all time
6) The proof is described as complex but solvable to the mildly educated math student.

Source: Jaxon

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Update: 16th Feb It's now looking likely that this will not be episode 4.09 but will be push back a few episodes but still be part of this Season. It looks like the strike and the reduction of episodes has caused a bit of a re-think.

ETA 2 - New promo for Eggtown + caps:

Spoilers: Episode 4.04 - Eggtown - ABC Promo

and about the death, it's one among:

- Claire
- Sun
- Jin
- Daniel
- Sawyer
- Desmond
- Juliet

Spoilers: One of these will die - Who will the Grim Reaper visit?

ALEXA82 · 02-17-2008, 06:07 AM

Beautiful Sunday Ladies

I saw "The Economist"

I truly didn´t like the Skate scene, I´m kinda sad to see Sawyer bound to that storyline at the moment and I must confess: Sayid is cooler than anyone at the moment

He truly broke my heart! (and so cute when he spoke German

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The last 3 minutes of the show, him getting in the helicopter, taking off the island, and then the tears in the end

- Lost didn´t look that good in ages

My guess for teh economist Sayid was looking for...Charles Widmore!

OK, back to the spoilers: Why is Sawyer on that dying list

This Ben rumour...I hope it´s gonna be pushed far away.

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The proof is described as complex but solvable to the mildly educated math student.

I hate maths and I´m bad at it. Without the internet I would even havew picked up on that time difference thing between the island and rest of the world

Besides, we already know Ben is the key to everything

and I hate those numbers ever since they admitted they had no clue what they meant. So I´ll pass on every made up geek scenario there.

Sigh, on that fate issue...I´m an atheist as well though I kinda believe in fate. The way it´s presented on the island though...plus fate can be different for everyone. To me Sawyer&Kate were fate not Jate. Simple as that. I also hate the idea that Jack Shepard was choosen to fullfill some special fate (which his interview indicates), if anything I´d like to really see the group adressed, not Jack. Which brings me back why to ep 4x03 and why I loved it. It was almost jack free and if anything it made Jack look clueless. It also made his drug/ drunk addict attitude from the finale look rediculously selfabsorbed. I mean compared to what Sayid is doing/ sacrifycing...gimme a break, broken Jack

addicted2much · 02-17-2008, 06:14 AM

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and about the death, it's one among:

- Claire
- Sun
- Jin
- Daniel
- Sawyer
- Desmond
- Juliet

Spoilers: One of these will die - Who will the Grim Reaper visit?

The Hawaiian PD already arrested Daniel ( Jin).

Dark could cover calling the Claire spoiler a hoax because that's not the way she dies. Sun at a funeral could actually be Sun at her own funeral and later a ghost Sun visits Hurley.

**Hawthorn** · 02-17-2008, 06:43 AM

*glomps Alexa and Maria*

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I truly didn´t like the Skate scene, I´m kinda sad to see Sawyer bound to that storyline at the moment

I'M SO WITH YOU ON THAT. Yes. I'm looking forward to the break-up in ep. 4 and to see Sawyer free from romance for a while, because I'm sick that all the other big characters have... stuff to do, while he's just trying to be decent and knock some sense in Kate only to be shut down and look sad. And this "let's give sexy scenes to the Skaters and ignore their desire for real development" is pissing me off immensely.

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and I must confess: Sayid is cooler than anyone at the moment

He truly broke my heart! (and so cute when he spoke German

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The last 3 minutes of the show, him getting in the helicopter, taking off the island, and then the tears in the end

- Lost didn´t look that good in ages

I have proof that I've said more or less the same yesterday.

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My guess for teh economist Sayid was looking for...Charles Widmore!

Now, that would be cool..! It would open the way to some great storyline in which we see finally addressed the seeds planted a long while ago.

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Why is Sawyer on that dying list

Well, I guess they put there some of the people who are not members of the O6. Fortunately, Kristin assured us he was safe for a long time (S4 for sure) so I can relax instead of having a panick crisis as I would totally have right now without that message from Kristin.

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This Ben rumour...I hope it´s gonna be pushed far away. I hate maths and I´m bad at it. Without the internet I would even havew picked up on that time difference thing between the island and rest of the world Besides, we already know Ben is the key to everything and I hate those numbers ever since they admitted they had no clue what they meant. So I´ll pass on every made up geek scenario there.

The good thing about being in a fandom so obsessed with mythology is that, by the time we have aquired and watched the Ben's episode, some geeky fan with a scientific degree will have decyphred the whole thing already.

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Sigh, on that fate issue...I´m an atheist either though I kinda believe in fate. The way it´s presented on the island though...plus fate can be different for everyone. To me Sawyer&kate were fate not Jate. Simple as that. I also hate the idea that Jack Shepard was choosed to fullfill some special fate (which his interview indicates), if anything I´d like to really see the group adressed, not Jack. Which brings me back why to ep 4x03 and why I loved it. It was almost jack free and if anything it made Jack look clueless. It also made his drug/ drunk addict attitude from the finale look rediculously selfabsorbed. I mean compared to what Sayid is doing/ sacrifycing...gimme a break, broken Jack

I hate the stories where there are "fated" people bound to accomplish some "saving the world" mission, I can't help it.

I like the idea that everyone, given the opportunity, and if they have it in themselves, can save the day, even if their past had no "sign" of such a turn.

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The Hawaiian PD already arrested Daniel ( Jin).

Dark could cover calling the Claire spoiler a hoax because that's not the way she dies. Sun at a funeral could actually be Sun at her own funeral and later a ghost Sun visits Hurley.

If I could choose, I would see Claire dying. Preferences aside, she really has no more storylines if Kate is Aaron's new "mommy", I hoped they would do something for her character but the way she was almost transparent in these first 3 episodes. But my first guess is Jin, mainly because he'll get a character-centric episode and that should let the writers give him a proper goodbye (though he poor guy has had no lines so far, at least with Charlie they made him go off in a blaze of glory, like 15 episodes dedicated to the "will he die/won't he".
You know Maria, since I saw Charlie in Hurley's FF, I've been reminded of your "ghost" theory, and pulling such a move (killing Sun) would really be a big shock. We would also think she and the baby are fine, and in the end we se Ji-Yeon with Jin and Sun dead - it would also be super tragic because she apparently survived the pregnancy but died in another way.

P.S. Guys, it's been more than 24 hours since I last saw Misty online. I'm worried something happened to her computer... or she dumped me for a Brazilian model.
I hope she's just fed up with the Lost craziness and the online life and she's out of town enjoying some vacancy time. .D

addicted2much · 02-17-2008, 07:02 AM

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I hope she's just fed up with the Lost craziness and the online life and she's out of town enjoying some vacancy time. .D

We all need a break from time to time. I hope it isn't computer problems. It can take weeks to get things fixed.

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You know Maria, since I saw Charlie in Hurley's FF, I've been reminded of your "ghost" theory, and pulling such a move (killing Sun) would really be a big shock. We would also think she and the baby are fine, and in the end we se Ji-Yeon with Jin and Sun dead - it would also be super tragic because she apparently survived the pregnancy but died in another way.

Sun's death would be unexpected and a shock.

**Hawthorn** · 02-17-2008, 07:16 AM

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We all need a break from time to time. I hope it isn't computer problems. It can take weeks to get things fixed.

Her computer was acting weird there last few weeks, I really hope it's not the case because it's a pain in the ass to have to get it ok, again or buy a new one.

Our love story is so epic. It may be that I'm staying here "on the island" of the board like James, while she's forced to stay in the outside world like Kate.
And she often babysits her two nieves, but I'm sure all this time she's been hiding a nephew called Aaron she has to take care of.

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Sun's death would be unexpected and a shock.

That's for sure, but I would go weep. ;__;
I love Sun a lot.

But I can see the big WTF potential of killing her, after having given always more screentime and apparent importance to her than Jin, and then show us Jin taking care of their deaughter, speaking a very fluent English, and being involfved in some big storyline with the O6 or something.

addicted2much · 02-17-2008, 08:00 AM

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Our love story is so epic. It may be that I'm staying here "on the island" of the board like James, while she's forced to stay in the outside world like Kate.
And she often babysits her two nieves, but I'm sure all this time she's been hiding a nephew called Aaron she has to take care of.

I can't ship you two. I can only handle one ship at a time.

Y'all do seem to be setting up for some delicious angst.

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But I can see the big WTF potential of killing her, after having given always more screentime and apparent importance to her than Jin, and then show us Jin taking care of their deaughter, speaking a very fluent English, and being involfved in some big storyline with the O6 or something.

Sun or Jin is a safe death. It won't affect the ratings , yet it will give them a WTF moment. Hell , Charlie's death didn't affect the ratings.