Josh Holloway - *SPOILERS* #16: So, about those kids in tattered clothes...

**Hawthorn** · 12-30-2007, 08:36 PM

The N.O.S.E.

Team Locke - Team Kristin - Team Carlton

This thread is to collect and discuss all the news, spoilers and speculations about Sawyer in the fourth season of Lost.

We will survive the hiatus!

S4 premiere: Thursday January 31, 2008, at 9 p.m.

Shooting dates
4x01 (The Beginning Of The End - Hurley FF): unknown
4x02 (Confirmed Dead - Boaties FB): unknown
4x03 (The Economist - Sayid FF): Sept. 14 - Sept. 28
4x04 (Eggland - Kate FF): Sept. 25 - Oct. 6
4x05 (The Constant - Desmond FB): Oct. 5 - Oct. 18
4x06 (The Other Woman - Juliet FB): Oct. 16 - Oct. 30
4x07 (Ji Yeon - Jin&Sun FF): Oct. 27 - Nov. 9
4x08 (title unknown - Micheal FB): Nov. 9 (?) - Nov. 21

For constant updates about the strike: Deadline Hollywood Daily

December 27:
From Variety.com: DGA eyes Jan. 7 for studio talks - AMPTP to discuss strike with director's guild

December 15:
From Variety.com: "ABC will have eight episodes of "Lost," which were penned pre-strike. Net will supplement the Jan. 31 launch by repeating last year's finale on Jan. 30; a new "Lost" recap special is also in the works."

December 14:
From the Los Angeles Times: Lindelof and Cuse about the new schedule

November 8:
- 'ABC says as of now it is sticking with its plan to air the eight episodes it has of Lost'
- Kristin of E! interviews Damon Lindelof

November 5:
Cuse and Lindelof about the WGA strike

This post is to collect only the Sawyer-related spoilers/news, to check all the general spoilers follow the links to the livejournal community

Spoilers

January 2, 2008
From DarkUFO's blog: Some teasers for Episodes 4.02, 4.03 and 4.04
Source 1 on Episodes 3 and 4
All I can say is that episodes 3 and 4 are some of the best lost episodes I've worked on. All I will allow you post is to say is episode 3 -sayid - features a great ending and shooting and episode 4 - kate - had one of the best endings ive seen. sawyer and kate (skaters? is that right?) fans will not be happy!

Source 2 on Episode 4
"And the end is so ****ing good oh my God!!! If your wife or girlfriend watches this show it will be her favorite episode. This one is one for the shipper legends!"

December 29, 2007
New slightly different promo (#4): watch it on DailyMotion (thanks to Deej)

Possible Sawyer screencaps: 1; 1A --- big cap by Deej --- more caps @ sawyer840's blog

December 26, 2007
Slightly different new promo (#3): watch it on DailyMotion (thanks to Deej)

Sawyer screencaps: 1; 1A; 1B --- screencaps of the whole promo @ sawyer840's blog

December 21, 2007
Sawyer character promotional photo for S4 @ Lost-Media.com

December 19, 2007
- By Ryan: S4 Hawaiian premiere scheduled for January 26, 2008

- ABC official description for Season 4

December 18, 2007
- slightly different version of the trailer (#2 - new Locke shot): watch it and look at the screencaps over sawyer840's blog

- New Lost trailer: Watch it over tvweek.com | watch it on DailyMotion (thanks to Deej)

Sawyer screencaps: 1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7; 8; 9; 10; 11; 12; 13; 14; 15 --- Lost-Media.com trailer caps --- more caps @ sawyer840's blog

- Watch with Kristin - Is Kate pregnant; Jack & Juliet
Elo in St. Pierre, Réunion Island: Is a Sawyer and Kate baby on the way? Please, please tell me!
In honor of what is no doubt our first-ever question from Réunion Island—11,000 miles away, somewhere near Mauritius and Madagascar in the Indian Ocean!—I can tell you that I used to think it was pretty unlikely, but based on what I now know about season four it's seeming somewhat more probable. That's honestly just a guess/hunch, but I'd put some money (at least a nickel) on it. Anyone care to counter-wager? Propose a baby name?

December 10, 2007
- Watch With Kristin Spoiler Chat: Team Locke VS. Team Jack; Sawyer&Kate; Ben's power, Oceanic Six
Anne in Auckland, New Zealand: This Lost hiatus is killing me! Got anything on Sawyer?
In the beginning of season four, Sawyer is...on Team Locke! I can tell you that there are two teams and that the other leader won't surprise you...but Kate's allegiance will. Got guesses on the two teams and the second leader? (His name may rhyme with "frak"...) Comment below! Oh and P.S. As far as I know, Jin and Sun aren't playing for either team. Suspicious? You bet!

Lyly in Tours, France: Can you tell me if you have something about Lost for the new season, please? Especially about Sawyer and Kate...
All I can say about Sawyer and Kate is this: "If you love something, set it free. If it comes back to you, it's yours. If it doesn't, it never was." I know it's cheesy, but I'm cheesy, dammit, and I believe that's what's going on with S&K this season...

Note: Kristin removed one question from the first published version of her column and slightly modified another one, this is her original version: screencap1 | screencap 2

- HQ 4x01 promo pics on Lost-Media.com (credit: lyly ford)
Pics featuring Sawyer: 1; 2; 3; 4

- By DarkUFO: Sawyer not getting off the Island
- There are no Sawyer flashbacks/flashforwards in the first 8 Episodes of next year
- Sawyer is not one of the Losties that got off the island
- The fact that he is not off the island does not necessarily mean that he his dead or won't at some point in the future, however, when the Jack/Kate scene takes place at the end of Season 3, Sawyer is still on the Island.

- S4 cinematic promo: watch it on YouTube (credits: Charlie and Simo); slowed down version HERE (credit: DarkUFO).
Sawyer screencaps: 1; 2; 3; 4

December 9, 2007
Sawyer shots from the S4 promo film: click (credit: Derick via DarkUFO's blog)

December 1, 2007
New Lost Trailers in cinemas now
"We saw the promo at a movie theater tonight and Sawyer was in it! In one shot it looked like he was aiming a gun at Ben and pushing him against a tree or something like that. We also saw Sawyer briefly in a few other shots and OMG ...he looked very hot"
[...]
"Sawyer in some fast shots"

November 8, 2007
Jorge G. @ The Fuselage:
We've spread the work out a little bit. Like we're not overlapping episodes as we usually do. So we'll have stuff to shoot till Thanksgiving. Then if the strike continues we'll have a break.

October 15, 2007

- Watch with Kristin @ E! online: Juliet's sister, writers' strike, death spoiler

- First promo pics for S4 by TV Guide (Oct. 22 issue): cover; article; pag.1; pag.2

October 13, 2007

- From Jorge Garcia @ The Fuselage: "shocking" death confirmed

October 6, 2007

- From Ed Reif's blog: picture taken with Josh

- By Sawyer840 via DarkUFO's blog: Death coming to Lost + Kate's scene in the jungle
One of the things that she managed to find out is that they are also about to film a death on the show. The info is being kept very secret currently and we don't have details of who the death will involve. Hopefully she'll have some more info soon which she'll be able to pass onto us.

September 19, 2007

- From DarkUFO: Lost Season 4 ABC Commissary

September 14, 2007

LOST-TV Forums: Filming sightings

From TourniquetMan: "They are here right now as I type this, in my town shooting a scene. Whitmore Village in Wahiawa, There seems to be a lot of activity near down a path leading to a stream area.
They were asking for kids in tattered clothing as extras, Josh Halloway was sighted."

From HaleiwaDiva: I saw them filming in Whitmore Village yersterday too,TourniquetMan. They were right behind the baseball field. It looked like they might have been filming in a house right there. I didn't see anyone outside, just the big white trailers and the usual signs.

August 24, 2007

From Jacobe via DarkUFO's blog - First filming sightings

I live in Kalihi, Hawaii. Yesterday, LOST was filming on N King Street by the Discount Store and Tamashiro Market, for those that live in Hawaii.
I was able to spot Josh Halloway (Sawyer). So I'm assuming a Sawyer flashback. OR maybe a flash-forward??
The scene involved a car being chased by two police cars, leading to the first car to jump a ramp and crash.
That's all I was able to see.
Sorry, I wasn't able to record or take pictures.

For all the previous spoilers (May-September), go here: Spoiler Archive

Rumors

October 17, 2007

The Odi replies to the Turkish rumors asking his source
- Sawyer has NOT filmed a FF and the FFs are being kept very secretive with a very small crew.
- The death will be a MAIN character that is a fan favorite and a male character, plus it will occur on island most likely by mid-season. It will be likely one of the four: Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid or Jin.

October 16, 2007

By Turkish blogger Dizidizi who got spoilers from an extra (corrections by ozguroyus)
- "None of the actors actually knows EXACTLY who was in the coffin" - "The guy in the coffin is not Sawyer, Ben or Michael" and in addition it's written that we CAN be SURE about this.
- They have filmed a Sawyer-centric flashforward.

September 25, 2007

The Odi - New info on S4
- Two more Losties will die....a male and a female. The male will die on the island, while the female will die in a FLASHFORWARD via suicide.

ALEXA82 · 12-31-2007, 02:34 AM

Hey Ladies& Good morning!

New thread

I´m officially the early bird here

the uncurrupted early bird

Since the new 6+1 spoilers doesn´t include a Sawyer possibility

I bet it´s Vincent! I think Walt&Michael don´t count as Oceanic 6 because they got rescued long time ago and not with the official "rescuers" and why not mention 7 from the beginning 6+1 sounds Dog to me! Hey maybe it´s Vincent in that coffin

Sorry I just got carried away of a Jack parodie in my mind

Fran - I never looked at the Skeleton issue like that. The ship I hate the most ends up like that. Thought like a true Sawyer fan

This looks like a) Evie just learned that they´d kill of Josh or b) WTF end the triangle one more ambigious look and I´ll kill you striking writers

And Dark knows it all

that thought alone is killing me....and it´s the reason I could never be a spoiler dude, I couldn never keep th einfo for myself. I´d explode

Happy New Year´s Eve Misty & Fran

misteriosa · 12-31-2007, 05:29 AM

Fran, the opening post is great! The best one so far.

Thanks for all the updates.
Yay all the teams you listed.

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Hey maybe it´s Vincent in that coffin

Sorry I just got carried away of a Jack parodie in my mind

That would be great.
It would put a whole new light on Jack's reaction to the funeral.

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This looks like a) Evie just learned that they´d kill of Josh or b) WTF end the triangle one more ambigious look and I´ll kill you striking writers

My Kate-face analysis says: disappointedly surprised.

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Happy New Year´s Eve Misty & Fran

Have a great New Year, Alexa!

ETA: Dark updated his spoiler about the title of episode 4, which is Kate-centric.

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Update: 31st Dec The episode is actually called Eggtown and not Eggland as previously reported by DocArzt. I've had the name Eggtown for a little while and thought it was just a working title that was changed but it's nice to see my original source proven to be correct.

Eggtown is as random as Eggland to me.

addicted2much · 12-31-2007, 05:50 AM

What is up with the kids in tattered clothes?

Love the Josh , Kristin , and Terry pic.

**Hawthorn** · 12-31-2007, 06:16 AM

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Since the new 6+1 spoilers doesn´t include a Sawyer possibility

I bet it´s Vincent! I think Walt&Michael don´t count as Oceanic 6 because they got rescued long time ago and not with the official "rescuers" and why not mention 7 from the beginning 6+1 sounds Dog to me! Hey maybe it´s Vincent in that coffin

Sorry I just got carried away of a Jack parodie in my mind

I would rather see Vincent than Locke leaving the island, and knowing these producers, no matter how weird the thought is, they could indeed have Vincent rescued, lol.

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Fran - I never looked at the Skeleton issue like that. The ship I hate the most ends up like that. Thought like a true Sawyer fan

The only way to survive scary scenarios is making fun of them (after the required angered rant, of course).

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This looks like a) Evie just learned that they´d kill of Josh or b) WTF end the triangle one more ambigious look and I´ll kill you striking writers

LOL!
I agree with Misty, it looks like surprise + disappointment. But hey, Kate's faces are so unreadable, Sawyer could have just said Walt is his son.

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Happy New Year´s Eve Misty & Fran

Happy New Year to you too, Alexa!

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Fran, the opening post is great! The best one so far.

dude at the end I was so tired, I flew between the last 5-6 pages of the previous thread to check the new material to add to the opening, if I missed something, tell me. And I should check the links because I don't trust myself with half my brain already sleeping.

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Yay all the teams you listed.

I thought the Josh/Krikri/Terry pic had to be there.

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ETA: Dark updated his spoiler about the title of episode 4, which is Kate-centric.

Eggtown is as random as Eggland to me.

It is as random as that, but now we have to throw away all the meanings found yesterday. :/ Like the literary reference.
Here we come, Google.

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What is up with the kids in tattered clothes?

Last September 14 a guy posted about having seen the Lost crew filming near a water stream, there was Josh on set, and the director had just requested for "kids in tattered clothes". It is considered a spoiler but we know nothing more... so we can only hope the person wasn't lying. Another poster said he saw the crew the same day, at the same spot, so it should be proof is not a foiler. But anyway, the thing got the title because when me and Misty have had nothing to speculate about, we always went back to those kids in tattered clothes, so it's become kind of a colloquial expression, instead of "What's up?", with us you can say "So, about those kids in tattered clothes...?".

Yep, this thread is bordering on insanity.

misteriosa · 12-31-2007, 06:17 AM

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What is up with the kids in tattered clothes?

That's what we'd like to know.

Dark has a new mobisode up - Spoilers: Lost Mobisode 9 - Tropical Depression

Losts of Arzt and some Michael.

**Hawthorn** · 12-31-2007, 06:26 AM

Tropical Depression...?!

Oh god. I won't see this one.
What number is it? 9, 10? How many more are left?
No Sawyer, no Sayid, no Kate, no Desmond... what a disappointing feature these mobisodes have been.

misteriosa · 12-31-2007, 06:42 AM

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Tropical Depression...?!

Oh god. I won't see this one.

Michael came asking him for some advice about the weather but then Arzt cobfessed that he knows nothing about it. He made up the stuff about monsoon season.

He went to Australia to meet a woman who only tooke j+his money and was never seen again.

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What number is it? 9, 10? How many more are left?
No Sawyer, no Sayid, no Kate, no Desmond... what a disappointing feature these mobisodes have been.

This one is number 9.
There are only 4 to go.

From DocArzt - Lost Episode 4 Spoiler Redux - DocArzt's Lost Blog

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Ooops. I made a mistake in my Lost Season 4 Episode 4 post! Read on for the real title.
"Eggtown" not "EggLand." I apologize folks. I just had a little slip up. It occurred to me when I re-watched the episode this afternoon. That's right, I did say "rewatched the episode this afternoon." More on that in the near future.

For screwing things up there, though, here is a wee bit more: coincidently (or not) eggs are one of the first things we see in episode 4. What could it mean?

**Hawthorn** · 12-31-2007, 07:35 AM

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Michael came asking him for some advice about the weather but then Arzt cobfessed that he knows nothing about it. He made up the stuff about monsoon season.

He went to Australia to meet a woman who only tooke j+his money and was never seen again.

Just. wonderful.

Great reason to be on Australia, Doc.

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There are only 4 to go.

At this point, I'm glad if Sawyer isn't in them.

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From DocArzt - Lost Episode 4 Spoiler Redux - DocArzt's Lost Blog

Thanks.
Are we going to see Kate cooking as first scene?

misteriosa · 12-31-2007, 08:47 AM

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At this point, I'm glad if Sawyer isn't in them.

I reached that point several weeks ago.

ETA: The transcript for the mobisode

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Arzt (approaching with a jar & it's lid in his hands): "I have my eyes on you, you have your eyes on me ... ha! (as he swoops down to capture a bug) Hahahaha!"
Michael approaches: "Doctor Arzt! Yo! Doctor Arzt! Hey, what's the weather situation going to be like tomorrow?"
Doc Arzt: "Uh, tomorrow, um ... I don't know."
Michael: "What?"
Doc Arzt: "I'm not a meteorologist, I'm just a high school science teacher. All that stuff I said about monsoon season, I made it up."
Michael: "What do you mean you made it up?
Doc: "I just wanted you to get that raft built & get off this rock and have us all rescued."
Michael: "Okay, uh -- alright no worries, forget it."
Doc Arzt: "I fell in love with a woman from Australia. I met her on the internet. We chatted with each other for about a year I saved all my money and I flew down to Sydney. I shouldn't have used my BuddyMix (?) picture okay, I admit that, I said that, I said that I was sorry I thought that we were beyond that, that it made no difference,that we were really connected..."
Michael: "mmm-hmm"
Doc Arzt: "So I get to Sydney, and I see her & she looks so beautiful, I took her out to the nicest restaurant I could find, we order the lobster, she frickin' disappeared, never came back to the table They wouldn't even let me give the lobster back! That's not the worst part, the worst part, the worst part is, I could have just hung out, Sydney, you know, the bar scene? You know what I did? I booked an early flight out, Oceanic flight 815."
Michael: "You know what? I- I would really love to feel sorry for you and all, but, you know, take a look around, everybody on this beach has got a story just like yours. Do you think anybody wants to be here""
Doc Arzt: "I know nobody does, I-I'm really sorry that I lied about the weather."
Michael: "It's okay. The raft is finished, we getting out of here, we're going to bring back help."
Doc Arzt: "You are! I know you are! I know you are! And I am going to be the first one on the beach waving 'hello' when you get there."
Michael: " Okay, man, take care." (walks away)

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Are we going to see Kate cooking as first scene?

One person on the Fuselage suggested the same thing.
I think you're both right.

**Hawthorn** · 12-31-2007, 09:06 AM

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I reached that point several weeks ago.

I needed Doc Arzt written by Damon. Really, it felt like the "The Sorrows of Young Werther" for this show: that book had me breaking up with Literature for a couple of weeks, that mobisode made me question these writers' creativity badly.

BTW I watched the Mun mobisode. Oh boy, remember when I said the thought of those two together didn't bother me too much? Well, that was before seeing them in a "romantic" scene.

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One person on the Fuselage suggested the same thing.
I think you're both right.

I still have to get this whole trial thing. She arrived at the courtroom in normal clothes, shouldn't she be led directly from her prison, with those charges?
Now she could be home cooking.
Or maybe that's what they give her in jail?

ETA - thanks for the transcript. Be honest, can I read it without having my eyes going out of their orbits from too much rolling?

misteriosa · 12-31-2007, 09:16 AM

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I needed Doc Arzt written by Damon. Really, it felt like the "The Sorrows of Young Werther" for this show: that book had me breaking up with Literature for a couple of weeks, that mobisode made me question these writers' creativity badly.

BTW I watched the Mun mobisode. Oh boy, remember when I said the thought of those two together didn't bother me too much? Well, that was before seeing them in a "romantic" scene.

Poor Werther got no sympathy from you? I blame it on your Dad.

I thought it was pretty obvious they intended to explore Sun and Michael in season one but I wasn't interested in seeing it then and I feel the same way now.

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I still have to get this whole trial thing. She arrived at the courtroom in normal clothes, shouldn't she be led directly from her prison, with those charges?
Now she could be home cooking.
Or maybe that's what they give her in jail?

I don't think she'll be in jail at all. Didn't she come to court in a regular car, not one belonging to the police?
I just assumed she was waiting for the trial in freedom, maybe supervised by someone. I could be way off.

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ETA - thanks for the transcript. Be honest, can I read it without having my eyes going out of their orbits from too much rolling?

You won't miss much by skipping it.

addicted2much · 12-31-2007, 09:26 AM

Question:

What did Kristin mean?

I can tell you that there are two teams and that the other leader won't surprise you...but Kate's allegiance will.

Doesn't everyone assume Kate will not be on Locke's team , since she made it off the island.

**Hawthorn** · 12-31-2007, 09:32 AM

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Poor Werther got no sympathy from you? I blame it on your Dad.

My comment at the end of the book: "Couldn't he have killed himself in the first 10 pages?"

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I thought it was pretty obvious they intended to explore Sun and Michael in season one but I wasn't interested in seeing it then and I feel the same way now.

The idea wasn't that bad in theory (and I said this being happy the decided to explore the Jin and Sun relationship having Micheal out of the equation), but that was my opinion before seeing the in each other arms on screen.

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I don't think she'll be in jail at all. Didn't she come to court in a regular car, not one belonging to the police?
I just assumed she was waiting for the trial in freedom, maybe supervised by someone. I could be way off.

No, you're probably right. I just don't understand how this is possible.

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You won't miss much by skipping it.

I read it and I must admit Micheal's "take care" at the end gave me a little LOL.
I have to say it was better than Arzt and Crafts. But if I had a cat and it would write a story, that one would be better than the mobisode of two weeks ago as well.

misteriosa · 12-31-2007, 09:38 AM

Maria:

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What did Kristin mean?

I can tell you that there are two teams and that the other leader won't surprise you...but Kate's allegiance will.

Doesn't everyone assume Kate will not be on Locke's team , since she made it off the island.

You're right, everyone expects Kate to be on Jack's team so I don't really know why Kristin thinks it's surprising.

Sawyer joining Locke sounds much more shocking to me.

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My comment at the end of the book: "Couldn't he have killed himself in the first 10 pages?"

You're so sensitive.

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No, you're probably right. I just don't understand how this is possible.

I don't either. To have a person accused of murder in house-arrest seems pretty unbelievable, but I think that might happen. That's what I expect to see before and during the trial. Afterwards, I think she'll be found not guilty and free. All that thanks to some deal made with the bad guys, whoever they are.

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I read it and I must admit Micheal's "take care" at the end gave me a little LOL.
I have to say it was better than Arzt and Crafts. But if I had a cat and it would write a story, that one would be better than the mobisode of two weeks ago as well.

Does anyone really care about Arzt? So much that he's been heaviliy featured in two mobisodes? I don't think so.