Josh Holloway - *SPOILERS* #15: We're just Sawyer fans, like Carlton.

**Hawthorn** · 12-17-2007, 08:04 AM

This thread is to collect and discuss all the news, spoilers and speculations about Sawyer in the fourth season of Lost.

We will survive the hiatus!

S4 premiere: Thursday January 31, 2008, at 9 p.m.

Shooting dates
4x01: unknown
4x02: unknown
4x03: Sept. 14 - Sept. 28
4x04: Sept. 25 - Oct. 6
4x05: Oct. 5 - Oct. 18
4x06: Oct. 16 - Oct. 30
4x07: Oct. 27 - Nov. 9
4x08: Nov. 9 (?) - Nov. 21

December 15:
From Variety.com: "ABC will have eight episodes of "Lost," which were penned pre-strike. Net will supplement the Jan. 31 launch by repeating last year's finale on Jan. 30; a new "Lost" recap special is also in the works."

December 14:
From the Los Angeles Times: Lindelof and Cuse about the new schedule

November 8:
- 'ABC says as of now it is sticking with its plan to air the eight episodes it has of Lost'
- Kristin of E! interviews Damon Lindelof

November 5:
Cuse and Lindelof about the WGA strike

This post is to collect only the Sawyer-related spoilers/news, to check all the general spoilers follow the links to the livejournal community

Spoilers

December 10
- Watch With Kristin Spoiler Chat: Team Locke VS. Team Jack; Sawyer&Kate; Ben's power, Oceanic Six
Anne in Auckland, New Zealand: This Lost hiatus is killing me! Got anything on Sawyer?
In the beginning of season four, Sawyer is...on Team Locke! I can tell you that there are two teams and that the other leader won't surprise you...but Kate's allegiance will. Got guesses on the two teams and the second leader? (His name may rhyme with "frak"...) Comment below! Oh and P.S. As far as I know, Jin and Sun aren't playing for either team. Suspicious? You bet!

Lyly in Tours, France: Can you tell me if you have something about Lost for the new season, please? Especially about Sawyer and Kate...
All I can say about Sawyer and Kate is this: "If you love something, set it free. If it comes back to you, it's yours. If it doesn't, it never was." I know it's cheesy, but I'm cheesy, dammit, and I believe that's what's going on with S&K this season...

Note: Kristin removed one question from the first published version of her column and slightly modified another one, this is her original version: screencap1 | screencap 2

- HQ 4x01 promo pics on Lost-Media.com (credit: lyly ford)
Pics featuring Sawyer: 1; 2; 3; 4

- By DarkUFO: Sawyer not getting off the Island
- There are no Sawyer flashbacks/flashforwards in the first 8 Episodes of next year
- Sawyer is not one of the Losties that got off the island
- The fact that he is not off the island does not necessarily mean that he his dead or won't at some point in the future, however, when the Jack/Kate scene takes place at the end of Season 3, Sawyer is still on the Island.

- S4 cinematic promo: watch it on YouTube (credits: Charlie and Simo); slowed down version HERE (credit: DarkUFO).
Sawyer screencaps: 1; 2; 3; 4

December 9
Sawyer shots from the S4 promo film: click (credit: Derick via DarkUFO's blog)

December 1, 2007
New Lost Trailers in cinemas now
"We saw the promo at a movie theater tonight and Sawyer was in it! In one shot it looked like he was aiming a gun at Ben and pushing him against a tree or something like that. We also saw Sawyer briefly in a few other shots and OMG ...he looked very hot"
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"Sawyer in some fast shots"

November 8, 2007
Jorge G. @ The Fuselage:
We've spread the work out a little bit. Like we're not overlapping episodes as we usually do. So we'll have stuff to shoot till Thanksgiving. Then if the strike continues we'll have a break.

October 15, 2007

- Watch with Kristin @ E! online: Juliet's sister, writers' strike, death spoiler

- First promo pics for S4 by TV Guide (Oct. 22 issue): cover; article; pag.1; pag.2

October 13, 2007

- From Jorge Garcia @ The Fuselage: "shocking" death confirmed

October 6, 2007

- From Ed Reif's blog: picture taken with Josh

- By Sawyer840 via DarkUFO's blog: Death coming to Lost + Kate's scene in the jungle
One of the things that she managed to find out is that they are also about to film a death on the show. The info is being kept very secret currently and we don't have details of who the death will involve. Hopefully she'll have some more info soon which she'll be able to pass onto us.

September 19, 2007

- From DarkUFO: Lost Season 4 ABC Commissary

September 14, 2007

LOST-TV Forums: Filming sightings

From TourniquetMan: "They are here right now as I type this, in my town shooting a scene. Whitmore Village in Wahiawa, There seems to be a lot of activity near down a path leading to a stream area.
They were asking for kids in tattered clothing as extras, Josh Halloway was sighted."

From HaleiwaDiva: I saw them filming in Whitmore Village yersterday too,TourniquetMan. They were right behind the baseball field. It looked like they might have been filming in a house right there. I didn't see anyone outside, just the big white trailers and the usual signs.

August 24, 2007

From Jacobe via DarkUFO's blog - First filming sightings

I live in Kalihi, Hawaii. Yesterday, LOST was filming on N King Street by the Discount Store and Tamashiro Market, for those that live in Hawaii.
I was able to spot Josh Halloway (Sawyer). So I'm assuming a Sawyer flashback. OR maybe a flash-forward??
The scene involved a car being chased by two police cars, leading to the first car to jump a ramp and crash.
That's all I was able to see.
Sorry, I wasn't able to record or take pictures.

For all the previous spoilers (May-September), go here: Spoiler Archive

Rumors

October 17, 2007

The Odi replies to the Turkish rumors asking his source
- Sawyer has NOT filmed a FF and the FFs are being kept very secretive with a very small crew.
- The death will be a MAIN character that is a fan favorite and a male character, plus it will occur on island most likely by mid-season. It will be likely one of the four: Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid or Jin.

October 16, 2007

By Turkish blogger Dizidizi who got spoilers from an extra (corrections by ozguroyus)
- "None of the actors actually knows EXACTLY who was in the coffin" - "The guy in the coffin is not Sawyer, Ben or Michael" and in addition it's written that we CAN be SURE about this.
- They have filmed a Sawyer-centric flashforward.

September 25, 2007

The Odi - New info on S4
- Two more Losties will die....a male and a female. The male will die on the island, while the female will die in a FLASHFORWARD via suicide.

misteriosa · 12-17-2007, 09:39 AM

You put a Jarlton photo in the opening post.

Thanks for the new thread.
Are we sending anything for Kristin's chat tonight?

The mobisode is up - Spoilers: Lost Mobisode 7 - Arzt & Crafts

ALEXA82 · 12-17-2007, 09:43 AM

New thread

I just flew over the last pages, what do I read, Sawyer&Clementine meeting?! Or was that just pure speculation? Btw, I´m in for all angst and storyline that is Skateless and just Sawyer centric

misty

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Of coursce, the partnership between Kate and Sayid has also been very nice. Too bad the writers trashed it when she acted so annoyed with him and finally betrayed him in "Greatest Hits."

Thanks for clearing this up. Og course! The Brig and yet another stupid move by Kate. Although I liked her yelling at Jack

But yeah poor Sayid, surrounded by morons

And I do´t have anthing agains a leader character per se, they need it sometimes I think, every group does, a group caught in a jungle of mysteries even more. I always just hated that it has to be the doc for ods sake and not the trained soldier!!!!!

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in S1 mythology was introduced in such an..."ethereal" way, with the whispers, and the number coincidences... now it's all about Dharma and conspiracies, it has ruined even the rest I liked. In some storylines I've lost interest instead because they were never addressed and I... just forgot.

I agree Fran - s1 was handled way better, and yes I hate Dharma too!

And sorry to hear about the family issues...ah well, Merry Chrsitmas, I hate it when it is like that...when you´re stuck with people you loathe and just happen to know because you´re related. Thank God my family was always small...

Oh and stupid question, what does N.O.S.E. mean/stand for?

**Hawthorn** · 12-17-2007, 10:05 AM

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You put a Jarlton photo in the opening post.

Yes!

Can you feel the love in my ship?

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Are we sending anything for Kristin's chat tonight?

Of course Dana.

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The mobisode is up - Spoilers: Lost Mobisode 7 - Arzt & Crafts

Gosh, then it's real... for real.

Things like that make me ashamed to follow this show.

Jin and Sun looked a bit disgusted like me, too.
The only nice thing was to see Micheal again in a Losties scene. (the 3 Munners left in the world are squeeing right now)

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I just flew over the last pages, what do I read, Sawyer&Clementine meeting?! Or was that just pure speculation? Btw, I´m in for all angst and storyline that is Skateless and just Sawyer centric

It was just me and Misty speculating, or better dreaming

, about a FB showing Sawyer checking on/trying to see at least once his daughter.

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But yeah poor Sayid, surrounded by morons

Sayid has always been *my* leader figure. And I'm pretty sure if Jack will manage to go back to the island it will be thanks to Sayid, going all McGyver and building a boat with a powerful radar and a device to fool magnetic camps using a fork and some old junk from his garage.

Relatives, they make every celebration/festivity more joyful.

Not.

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Oh and stupid question, what does N.O.S.E. mean/stand for?

No Obedient Souls Elite.

It's a tribute to our skeptic/logic approach to news, spoilers and TPTB comments, and also an expression of the fact that we don't care to go with the flow when it comes to speculations and opinions.

ALEXA82 · 12-17-2007, 10:20 AM

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It was just me and Misty speculating, or better dreaming

, about a FB showing Sawyer checking on/trying to see at least once his daughter.

We can always dream...and hope he lives at least to get another FB!

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Sayid has always been *my* leader figure. And I'm pretty sure if Jack will manage to go back to the island it will be thanks to Sayid, going all McGyver and building a boat with a powerful radar and a device to fool magnetic camps using a fork and some old junk from his garage.

McGyver is a good comparison! Plus Sayid can kill a man when he has is arms tied behind his back

Don´t we all want men like that

I kinda found that super cool

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No Obedient Souls Elite.

It's a tribute to our skeptic/logic approach to news, spoilers and TPTB comments, and also an expression of the fact that we don't care to go with the flow when it comes to speculations and opinions.

Oh I´m loving it

Count me in!

misteriosa · 12-17-2007, 10:29 AM

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I just flew over the last pages, what do I read, Sawyer&Clementine meeting?! Or was that just pure speculation? Btw, I´m in for all angst and storyline that is Skateless and just Sawyer centric.

Those are just our speculations and wishful thinking.
I've been oretty happy with spoilers so far so I'm hoping for a nice Clementine/Sawyer flashback.

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And I do´t have anthing agains a leader character per se, they need it sometimes I think, every group does, a group caught in a jungle of mysteries even more. I always just hated that it has to be the doc for ods sake and not the trained soldier!!!!!

Remember when Jack didn't know how to use guns, but now he's running around with them through the jungle, blowing up trees, shooting... So kickass.

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The only nice thing was to see Micheal again in a Losties scene. (the 3 Munners left in the world are squeeing right now)

Three Munners sounds about right.

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Can you feel the love in my ship?

Absolutely. I was reading that old interview with Josh from USA Today and Carlton's rush was pretty evident even in the early days.

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Oh I´m loving it

Count me in!

We have like 4 members already.

**Hawthorn** · 12-17-2007, 10:47 AM

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We can always dream...and hope he lives at least to get another FB!

I can't think that if we get one it will be in 2009, it's too depressing.

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I kinda found that super cool

Me too.

And I love the looks exchange between him and Sawyer after that.

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Oh I´m loving it

Count me in!

Welcome!

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Remember when Jack didn't know how to use guns, but now he's running around with them through the jungle, blowing up trees, shooting... So kickass.

Maybe the power hidden in the tattoos got activated by Jacob or the island's forces.

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Absolutely. I was reading that old interview with Josh from USA Today and Carlton's rush was pretty evident even in the early days.

The first time the Jarlove hit me was in that podcast where Carlton said he slept with a pic of Josh under the pillow. Awww.

From now on, if and when Carlton will say bad things about the triangle/Skate I'll just think that's his jealousy speaking. ^_^

ETA - Spoilers: Episode 4.02 - Confirmed Dead

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Episode 4.02 will be called "Confirmed Dead".

We will have details one whose flashbacks/flashforwards they are in the new year.

misteriosa · 12-17-2007, 11:32 AM

I was just about to post the same thing.

So, they just decided to leave out the number, maybe because it would be too revealing. BTW what number was it?
I'm glad we'll find out who gets ep 2 in the new year.

ALEXA82 · 12-17-2007, 11:45 AM

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I can't think that if we get one it will be in 2009, it's too depressing.

Oh don´t say it out loud it makes it so....real

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And I love the looks exchange between him and Sawyer after that.

I know...the show could be so much better with Jack having les screentime and the real men mor

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ETA - Spoilers: Episode 4.02 - Confirmed Dead

But since that other source confirmed no Sawyer FB in the 1st 8 eps it won´t be Sawyer´s ep hence not Sawyer´s death. That hasn´t changed, has it

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Remember when Jack didn't know how to use guns, but now he's running around with them through the jungle, blowing up trees, shooting... So kickass.

So lame and just wrong writing... I mean even Michael was taught how to shoot so nobody ever taught Jack...it´s just rediculous! Oh I feel a wave of Jack-hate arriving

misteriosa · 12-17-2007, 01:37 PM

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So lame and just wrong writing... I mean even Michael was taught how to shoot so nobody ever taught Jack...it´s just rediculous! Oh I feel a wave of Jack-hate arriving

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But since that other source confirmed no Sawyer FB in the 1st 8 eps it won´t be Sawyer´s ep hence not Sawyer´s death. That hasn´t changed, has it

According to the latest spoilers there won't be any Sawyer flashbacks or flashforwards in the first eight episodes.

There was a report from Hawaii about Josh filming a scene with chasing cars this summer. I have no idea if that person made a mistake and it wasn't Josh or maybe there was some change of writing plans. Early spoilers said season opener would be multi-centric and focus on Hurley and Sawyer.

Anyway, it looks like we won't be seeing any Sawyer flashes soon, which is a pretty strong argument against his death.

Dark updated his earlier spoiler: Spoilers: Episode 4.02 - Confirmed Dead - Multi-Centric

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As we recently posted Episode 4.02 is called "Confirmed Dead". This will be a Multi-Flashback/Centric episode featuring the Freighter People.

Source: DarkUFO

That's what I've been saying all along.
I'm on a roll with speculations and spoilers this year.

I checked the titles that guy from Lostpedia gave - Rumours: TRUE : Episode 2 title? - "Confirmed Dead".
The initial title for 4.02 was "324 Confirmed dead".

I still can't help but feel Bullman's rumour about the season opening scene will have something to do with this episode.
His other rumours seem very plausible too.

**Hawthorn** · 12-17-2007, 03:36 PM

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Dark updated his earlier spoiler: Spoilers: Episode 4.02 - Confirmed Dead - Multi-Centric

That's what I've been saying all along.
I'm on a roll with speculations and spoilers this year.

Good thing at the last minute I changed my mind about what to ask Kristin (I was submitting a question about 4x02) and sent her a message about the premiere.
Speaking of the premiere, now it looks weird that it's a multi-centric episode, too.
We know a "flash" is Hurley's, and it makes sense it's a flashforward, because they're ready to reveal the identities of all the Oceanic Six in the first 7 episodes. Who would get the other flashes? Not the other 5 members of the 6, not Desmond, Juliet and Ben. Not Sawyer. Would they put scenes of Hurley in the future and something random like a flashback of Claire? When the following episode is another multi-centric?
I'm starting to think the premiere is Hurley-centric only.

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I still can't help but feel Bullman's rumour about the season opening scene will have something to do with this episode.
His other rumours seem very plausible too.

They do seem plausible. Before Bullman through DarkUFO posted the group division info, had we got any other news/interview mentioning something that could have hinted to that scenario..?

misteriosa · 12-17-2007, 04:04 PM

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Speaking of the premiere, now it looks weird that it's a multi-centric episode, too.
We know a "flash" is Hurley's, and it makes sense it's a flashforward, because they're ready to reveal the identities of all the Oceanic Six in the first 7 episodes. Who would get the other flashes? Not the other 5 members of the 6, not Desmond, Juliet and Ben. Not Sawyer. Would they put scenes of Hurley in the future and something random like a flashback of Claire? When the following episode is another multi-centric?
I'm starting to think the premiere is Hurley-centric only.

It's possible.
That means no Clementine flashback in the first 8 episodes.

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They do seem plausible. Before Bullman through DarkUFO posted the group division info, had we got any other news/interview mentioning something that could have hinted to that scenario..?

I don't think so.
There were some speculations about the Losties splitting in two groups before the finale but I'm not sure if any spoiler source brought it up.

BTW I went to check Bullman's rumours for this season and found this one:

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Apparently, the message drop will be explained in a Ben flashback, amongst other things. We’ll see who are sending the messages and we’ll see who are receiving them. We’ll also learn a bit about the food parcel drops in the same episode. The Ben flashback will explain many of the mysteries that have bothered us since Season 2. More questions will be opened up, however, particularly relating to a certain rumoured “Other”.

Source: Bullman

If Ben gets a FB when could it be, maybe ep 8?

Gregg Nation posted this on the Fuselage: Radio silence must continue - The Fuselage

**Hawthorn** · 12-17-2007, 04:31 PM

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That means no Clementine flashback in the first 8 episodes.

The worst part of the big Sawyer rumor later confirmed spoiler we got was exactly reading that "no flashback/flashforward" line.

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There were some speculations about the Losties splitting in two groups before the finale but I'm not sure if any spoiler source brought it up.

What I don't get is this: Apparently Ben will have to reveal stuff to make the Losties trust him, and the fight will be against the newcomers. This makes me wonder how the Ocanic Six will brought back to mainland, after they get the Boaties are bad news.
Maybe the group Bullman says will focus on "surviving" are the Oceanic Six, who will follow the Boaties anyway to same themselves?
I don't know.

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BTW I went to check Bullman's rumours for this season

Thanks. This part:

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We’ll also learn a bit about the food parcel drops in the same episode.

Made me think about this bit in The Odi's recap of the special content of the Blue Ray DVD:

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We haven't seen the last supply drop. How it's being dropped on the island is a mystery. Keep in mind that just because the package had a parachute attached does not mean it was actually "dropped."

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If Ben gets a FB when could it be, maybe ep 8?

Isn't ep. 8 Michael-centric confirmed?

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Gregg Nation posted this on the Fuselage: Radio silence must continue - The Fuselage

I don't mind their radio silence, is the stop to certain events with actors' appearances what bothers me, sigh.

misteriosa · 12-17-2007, 04:48 PM

FF is very slow for me tonight!

You were right about Hurley gettint the season opener.

Here's what Dark said in the comments section:

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If episode 2 is multi-centric, does that mean episode 1 is multi-centric too?

Hi Rad. No as we reported not long ago the episode 1 multi-centric was a mistake due to the nature of them shooting some stuff out of sequence.

Episode 1 is purely Hurley

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The worst part of the big Sawyer rumor later confirmed spoiler we got was exactly reading that "no flashback/flashforward" line.

It's been over a year since he's had one and sadly, it might be more than two before we see another Sawyer centric episode.

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What I don't get is this: Apparently Ben will have to reveal stuff to make the Losties trust him, and the fight will be against the newcomers. This makes me wonder how the Ocanic Six will brought back to mainland, after they get the Boaties are bad news.
Maybe the group Bullman says will focus on "surviving" are the Oceanic Six, who will follow the Boaties anyway to same themselves?
I don't know.

I don't get it either. Shouldn't his arguments be pretty strong if they convince Sawyer to side with him?

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Thanks. This part: We’ll also learn a bit about the food parcel drops in the same episode.

Made me think about this bit in The Odi's recap of the special content of the Blue Ray DVD:

Another point for Bullman.

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Isn't ep. 8 Michael-centric confirmed?

Yes, it is. Forget what I said.

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I don't mind their radio silence, is the stop to certain events with actors' appearances what bothers me, sigh.

Darlton keeping quiet sounds great to me.
I hope there won't be any pressure on actors to not attend Hawaii premiere. I know some actors didn't go on talk shows which were on air during the strike to show solidarity.

**Hawthorn** · 12-17-2007, 05:14 PM

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FF is very slow for me tonight!

It was super slow for me yesterday night. Lol, we took turns.

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You were right about Hurley gettint the season opener.

Oh wow, so now with the love declaration in the finale I have... two speculations of mine proved right in 2 years.
Pretty remarkable.

LOL, I suck.

Thanks for reporting that!

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It's been over a year since he's had one and sadly, it might be more than two before we see another Sawyer centric episode.

Do we still have some of that ice-cream, or candies?
I feel like Nutella when I think about "2 years", though.

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I don't get it either. Shouldn't his arguments be pretty strong if they convince Sawyer to side with him?

Yep. Either the go away with someone else (but really, who could they be? Two rescue teams seems absurd), or the Oceanic Six find themselves leaving against their will/due to extreme circumstances. The fact that Claire and her baby are left behind could be telling.

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Darlton keeping quiet sounds great to me.
I hope there won't be any pressure on actors to not attend Hawaii premiere. I know some actors didn't go on talk shows which were on air during the strike to show solidarity.

I'll keep my fingers crossed. Like Josh didn't make few appearances without a reason already.